So how would that work? At some point in the season, the team says we are moving this player over to the real practice squad? If yes, that would seem to be signalling all other teams that the player is about to be called up, so act fast.
2019 Patriots: Post-SB Roster Thread
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The article doesn't elaborate much, is this for AFCE teams only? Cannot wait for all the cries about the Pats getting some advantage
Yes. They do a division division each season, I think is how it works
The idea of someone crying over this being an advantage is only slightly more silly, than someone predicting the tears
It’s a really confusing article. If you click through on the hyperlink to the earlier story about the Bills, it mentions that it “rotates through divisions each year.” I’m confused about the “assigning” of players - do the teams have any say or is it random? I guess it’s good the Pats got an extra body in an area of need who has actual football experience, as opposed to a rugby player (sorry, Syd).
It also isn’t clear what happens after the year - do they just revert to free agency? I guess they’re such long shots, it doesn’t even matter.
Apparently the division-per-year was explained in a sub linked article of that one.
And no, I dont really expect much consternation over this extra PS squad player who cant play this year.
Or he realized he'd rather try to win another championship over getting an extra 2 million.
Love it. He's only 27 years old? Man, seems like he's been in the league forever.
I'm not specifically familiar with his play. Does he have a reputation as a blocker as well as pass catching TE?
Love the ASJ move. Good low risk (vet minimum) move, another top-40 pick, kind of like a defensive KVN.
Hopefully, they will think to look into that during his visit. :0)
The last time Thomas tore his achilles, it was in February 2011 (his 2nd season) and he made it back for Week 6. He didn't do much that season until Week 12. Then again, his rookie year wasn't very productive either so it's hard to say how much was due to injury and how much was adjusting from Georgia Tech's passing offense to an NFL offense. I'm sure some of both.
He's probably worth a flyer though, assuming it's low base pay with some incentives. His numbers have steadily declined the past few years and now a significant injury on top of that...but he's still probably better than that flotsam that's out on the market.
He's probably worth a flyer though, assuming it's low base pay with some incentives. His numbers have steadily declined the past few years and now a significant injury on top of that...but he's still probably better than that flotsam that's out on the market.
ASJ came dirt cheap. This could potentially be a big time steal.
The #Patriots gave TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins a $50K signing bonus on his one-year deal, source said. Another $40K in bonuses available later. It's a minimum salary benefit contract. He wanted to be a Patriot. Chance to produce and hit market again next year at age 27.
The #Patriots gave TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins a $50K signing bonus on his one-year deal, source said. Another $40K in bonuses available later. It's a minimum salary benefit contract. He wanted to be a Patriot. Chance to produce and hit market again next year at age 27.
Depth? He's now the #1 TE and like the 3rd most experienced receiver on roster.
Maybe this pushed TE in draft to 3rd or 4th round. At least they're covered if the other TEs get snapped up.
Yeah but the signing bonus indicates he is far from a lock to even make the roster
I was just agreeing with Kyed that it means it likely isn't the #1 priority (but still a priority), that they don't need to trade-up now unless they simply really like one of those guys. I wasn't saying don't get one in first few rounds.
I’d still be happy with a trade up for Hock if the opportunity presents itself. This is a one year deal for ASJ and if he plays well he will bolt. And let’s not forget Gronk and Sweetleaf had limited contributions as rookies.
Right - Gronk did that alone in his second season. Point being Gronk wasn’t Gronk until year 2. And as I said - if ASJ has a good year they’ll lose him anyway. TE is still #1 or 1A priority for me.
Rookie TE definitely have a track record of contributing as pass catchers quite a bit in Year 1. Among active pass catchers, Ertz, Kittle, Engram, Henry all jump to mind as immediate, meaningful contributors.
Hockenson’s undisputed ability as a two-way TE makes him a damn nice target. Unfortunately, if the draft buzz and mock drafts are anything resembling a reliable indicator, he’s not sniffing the 20s, much less pick 32. The Pats would probably need him to slide to the mid to late teens to have a shot at him that didn’t require a prohibitive package of picks.
Hockenson’s undisputed ability as a two-way TE makes him a damn nice target. Unfortunately, if the draft buzz and mock drafts are anything resembling a reliable indicator, he’s not sniffing the 20s, much less pick 32. The Pats would probably need him to slide to the mid to late teens to have a shot at him that didn’t require a prohibitive package of picks.
It was 2 guys. Gronk had 42 catches as a rookie. Alge Crumpler got meaningful snaps that year. The point is ASJ’s presence doesn’t mean TE shouldn’t still be a target, and that even if they hit on the next Gronk chances are he won’t be catching 80 balls next year.
Gronk is arguably the best tight end who ever played (but who didn’t play as long as others) but only 2 rookie tight ends in the last 15 years (ESPN link) have produced over 600 yards receiving. I’ve heard guys like Jim Nagy, Ross Tucker, Matt Waldman discuss how TE is one of the harder positions to learn when discussing immediate impact of rookies by position. Some of that is because colleges don’t do a good job getting tight ends pro ready in general. I wouldn’t count on getting much more than 500 yards or so even from a good rookie. I love the depth at TE but to me there is a steep drop off after Hock especially if we are talking about an immediate contributor.
Edit: article is from 2018. George Kittle would make it 3 in 16 years. He was a fifth rounder.
Edit: article is from 2018. George Kittle would make it 3 in 16 years. He was a fifth rounder.
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I’m of the opinion that you are both right. You can’t count on rookies for a ton of production but 500 yards passing or so from a good rookie is nothing to sneeze at. It just depends on how you define limited and a roll of the dice.
Oh I forgot Kittle is TE3 to the above list.
One thing I love about the signing is that on paper the Pats could line up and play a game tomorrow - which is a great position to be in heading into the draft. They don't "have" to get any single position on day 1 or 2. Although I think we'd all agree we'd be disappointed if they don't come away with a WR or TE by the end of day 2.
This is a fantastic point. They're drafting for depth and upgrades. They're not really plugging holes. Not "holy shit we don't have a Center or a Quarterback" holes anyway.
Wouldn't having ASJ be the perfect scenario to draft a long term solution at TE this year? He gets to split time, learn the position, and then take over next year. Ideally.
Well, yes, I'm pretty sure this doesn't close the door on drafting a TE in a draft class full of quality at that position. There's no way they don't take one of the top guys. Hockenson clearly is the one player most folks are salivating over, but his teammate Fant, Alabama's Smith, Sternberger from A & M and a few others would be great to pair with a veteran. There may be no surer thing than Belichick taking a TE on one of the first two days in Nashville.
