Kraft One-Ups Brady’s Departure

dcmissle

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It'd almost be easier to list who doesn't have a place within 30 minutes of this spa. And we only need the 30 minute window to include Palm Beach. 15 minutes would cover north and west easily.

Off the top of my head: Jack Welch, Joe Namath, Greg Norman might all be considered bigger than RK. (in addition to anyone else listed in this thread)
Local officials saying the tentacles of this go from coast to coast, and internationally.

So it could be lots of people.
 

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i cant Imagine Bill stands for this. I bet he is cut and its Next Man up Jonathan.
I love ya baka, but when you come into a thread 250 posts in, you gotta think any joke you have has already been made.
 

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I don’t know how accurate that is, but I do wonder why a billionaire is getting in his car and driving to a mall for a bj unless there’s something there he can’t just order to his house.
The message to anyone married or in a committed relationship could not be more clear — there is no safe strange. At the end of every avenue is a noose.
 

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It's a quaint notion, but it will not stop trafficking of underaged girls and boys who would be forced to perform sex acts
Stop... no. Reduce.... maybe?
Generally there are 2 definitions of trafficking, and each side of the debate generally uses one or the other, whichever fits their view.
The anti-legalization side uses the data that "trafficking" increases in countries with legal prostitution. HOWEVER.... they use the definition of trafficking that includes willing participants who pay someone to smuggle them into the country... it would be like calling half the migrant workers in the US trafficking victims. It's just illegal immigration by persons who then work as prostitutes.
The opposite definition is those who are unwilling, or otherwise forced, there doesn't appear to be any evidence that legal or decriminalized prostitution nations see more of this type of trafficking.
This does a decent job outlining the differences:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/#10f1c7e95727
 

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There are in calls, and it’s not like high end prostitutes come over wearing fishnets, big hoop earrings and driving an old Volkswagen.
In which case someone is COMING TO YOUR HOUSE. And can like google the address and owner and look around and know you’re important and stuff.
 

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Sounds like you're pretty familiar with the area, I live about an hour south of Jupiter and work In Boca Raton, about 45 minutes south. Over the years I have bumped into more famous people than I could even list, especially while working retail in college. There are endless possibilities here.
Sounds like you might be on the list...Jim Rice, is that you?

The message to anyone married or in a committed relationship could not be more clear — there is no safe strange. At the end of every avenue is a noose.
eh. The message is probably more like "you'll get away with 99% of the strange...it's just that you never know which one is that 1%".
You think this is the only thing Kraft has done?
 

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FWIW, the online reviews for this place indicate it’s a handjob only shop. The women are all listed as Chinese and in their 30s and 40s, the latter of which should be somewhat of a relief (pun not intended).
 

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In which case someone is COMING TO YOUR HOUSE. And can like google the address and owner and look around and know you’re important and stuff.
If only there were places that you could go, short term, to sleep for a night or even just a spend a few hours. Like, a hospitality service. Some of them could accommodate hundreds of people, but some of them could be just like a private house, that someone could reserve through the air, and there's be a bed, and maybe breakfast.

Like, seriously...there's got to be 100 ways in between "show up at what is unmistakably my own home" and "I'll walk into a strip-mall storefront".
 

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eh. The message is probably more like "you'll get away with 99% of the strange...it's just that you never know which one is that 1%".
You think this is the only thing Kraft has done?[/QUOTE]



This.

It's like speeding, most of the time you'll get away with it. Get caught once, or even witness a cop with a radar gun pulling someone else over, maybe you'll think twice next time. This wasn't Kraft's first time, but I have a feeling it will be the last.
 

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I dont want to see the video. Unless RK is wearing a football helmet and Brady jersey during his "table shower." :eek:


Like, seriously...there's got to be 100 ways in between "show up at what is unmistakably my own home" and "I'll walk into a strip-mall storefront".
Now you tell us.

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You gotta imagine Tom regrets kissing Kraft on the mouth right about now.
 

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eh. The message is probably more like "you'll get away with 99% of the strange...it's just that you never know which one is that 1%".
You think this is the only thing Kraft has done?


This.

It's like speeding, most of the time you'll get away with it. Get caught once, or even witness a cop with a radar gun pulling someone else over, maybe you'll think twice next time. This wasn't Kraft's first time, but I have a feeling it will be the last.[/QUOTE]

Right. And because you never know where that 1% lurks, act accordingly.

Now they have someone named Alex from WEEI on DC radio.
 

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Props to Bob for still having an appetite at his age. Demerits, however, for being stupid about it.

With the death of Backpage, pretty much the last place for cops to go after this kind of thing is by sitting on the Asian strip mall massage parlor type places. Somewhat ironically the “safe” way does involve revealing your own identity, which for a guy like Kraft is obviously a bigger deal than most. But I have to believe billionaires can figure out something that works.
 

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As others have said, this is another glaringly obvious example of why the sex trade needs to be legalized and regulated like any other industry.
The last thing I need is a bunch of liberal democrats telling me I can’t get a handy within 300 yards of a public water supply.

Toxic masculinity my ass.
 

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FWIW, the online reviews for this place indicate it’s a handjob only shop. The women are all listed as Chinese and in their 30s and 40s, the latter of which should be somewhat of a relief (pun not intended).
Whoa, whoa, the online reviews? What's the Yelp site for tugshops? And how bummed are they that "Yelp" was already taken?
 

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Stop... no. Reduce.... maybe?
Generally there are 2 definitions of trafficking, and each side of the debate generally uses one or the other, whichever fits their view.
The anti-legalization side uses the data that "trafficking" increases in countries with legal prostitution. HOWEVER.... they use the definition of trafficking that includes willing participants who pay someone to smuggle them into the country... it would be like calling half the migrant workers in the US trafficking victims. It's just illegal immigration by persons who then work as prostitutes.
The opposite definition is those who are unwilling, or otherwise forced, there doesn't appear to be any evidence that legal or decriminalized prostitution nations see more of this type of trafficking.
This does a decent job outlining the differences:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/#10f1c7e95727
This is correct. Nobody is saying that legalizing prostitution will result in the wholesale eradication of human trafficking for sexual purposes. That's absurd, and it would be absurd if we tried to base our policy decisions on a success rate of 100% or nothing.

It's a simple supply/demand argument. I know there are a few folks around here who like to partake in the experience of smoking weed. For those of you that live in Massachusetts, how many of you are now driving down to the inner city, rolling down your window and trying to score some joints? How many of you are even buying it illegally at all? To those that are, I would say what the fuck is wrong with you? You can walk into a legalized establishment with an epic menu of every type of strain imaginable, take your pick and walk out the door without even worrying about a cop invading your space.

If prostitution were legalized, it would become monetized and regulated like any other industry. So at that point, why would you go to the seedy massage parlor where the women don't speak your language, may or may not be there of their own free will and you run the risk of being arrested, versus walking into a legal establishment that the government is regulating and overseeing, that probably provides a healthy variety of excellent choices, a nice night and no fears of ending up in prison or with your name in the papers?

If folks stop visiting these seedy places, and there is no longer a financial incentive for the "owners" to traffic these girls/women into the country, it would follow that more than a few would go out of business. And putting 1 trafficker out of business is probably better than none, IMO.

I would imagine Nevada would be an interesting case study. According to the Wiki, there are currently 21 legal brothels in the state. Is there a large sex trafficking industry in and around those areas? I would tend to doubt it, but who knows. But if there were 210 legal brothels in the state or 2,100 of them, I can't imagine it wouldn't result in a decline in women who were being forced to do it against their own will, just because of the sheer number of customers they are going to lose to the women who are tested, clean, working in regulated places and you know, actually want to be there.
 

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Is there audio as well? Curious whether Kraft yells “do your job” as he approaches orgasm.
 

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If the camera that was used to film Kraft wasn't located within a three-walled enclosure with a roof, I imagine Goodell is more likely to direct any punishment toward the Jupiter Police Department.
 

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If the camera that was used to film Kraft wasn't located within a three-walled enclosure with a roof, I imagine Goodell is more likely to direct any punishment toward the Jupiter Police Department.
Wait, the police were taping the walk-through?
 

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I realize there is a morality angle to all of this but this activity is far more common than some seem to realize. Morality debate aside, these places are all over the place in Florida (there are plenty in Boston too). Some of the massage places are outright brothels and barely bother with anything resembling professional massage and openly advertise as such. It's to the point where one might suspect politicians or police or both are being paid to look the other way (or are participating). You don't have to dig very deep into Google to get all kinds of information flowing quite freely about the topic: reviews of providers, graphic descriptions of activity, openly explicit advertising, you name it. If police really wanted to impact the solicitation angle it would be a quite easy task. The reality is most of the time it's victimless and law enforcement has better things to do.

There are literally hundreds if not thousands of women openly doing this in the Orlando area alone. I can pretty well guarantee it's at least as many in Boston.

Every few years cops conduct one of these raids on the massage joints, mostly for show I think. The far more common practice around here when there is a complaint is to warn the ownership and suggest they close down and they usually do, shortly opening elsewhere in a somewhat more welcoming location. Otherwise there would be a parlor solicitation arrest or massage joint arrest story everyday. Cops mostly concentrate vice resources on the street where the drug angle is omnipresent.

I'm sure there is some trafficking behavior, (hell, one of the most trafficked professions is freaking nail technicians - as in manicure and pedicure), but from what I have read it represents a very small proportion of the sex trade activity. These women come here from countries where the kind of money they make doing this is unfathomable there. It's most often consenting and quite willing adults partaking. Plenty of U.S. citizens participating too.

I realize some folks think differently about the morality of it as is your prerogative but I couldn't care less about what arrangement any two fully consenting adults make for whatever sex acts they enjoy. Further, I couldn't care less about who has sex with whom or what unusual arrangement may exist in a marriage. I can't think of much being less any of my business than who does what with whom (adults) in their proverbial bedroom.

To be crystal clear, I am completely against any form of human trafficking and in particular any exploitation of underage children. I find it abhorrent and unfortunate. If in fact they have a case proving the owners of this joint were trafficking the women or had minors there lock 'em up as fast as you can and lose the key. But I completely agree with DoTB and others, decriminalization and regulation of these activities be they conducted at a massage joint, hotel or someone's residence with some discretion is long, long overdue.