I did, back when that idiot jonahfalcon was the mod on a power trip. Funny that Stern last week was playing prank calls of Sal & Richard calling into Jonah's radio show. I was dying.Did anyone else ever post on the YES Network boards? An even worse version of NYYF.
Did you notice when he popped up around here in late September? JA booted him pretty quick.I did, back when that idiot jonahfalcon was the mod on a power trip. Funny that Stern last week was playing prank calls of Sal & Richard calling into Jonah's radio show. I was dying.
Good times!I did, back when that idiot jonahfalcon was the mod on a power trip. Funny that Stern last week was playing prank calls of Sal & Richard calling into Jonah's radio show. I was dying.
I did and intentionally never replied to him.Did you notice when he popped up around here in late September? JA booted him pretty quick.
If the Yankees get anything more than a salary dump out of trading Sonny Gray I’m going to be absolutely batshit. I am so sick of teams bailing the Yankees out of their bad moves like Gray, while simulataneously handing them all stars like Stanton and Paxton for pennies on the dollar. They really don’t need the help.I think the Sonny Gray move is going to happen very soon, maybe in the next hour or two. Andy Martino has the A's and Padres as the primary two bidders currently, I mentioned it before but I wouldn't mind getting Dustin Fowler back in exchange. He is blocked in CF in OAK by Laureano (a rookie last year) and NY could use the OF depth at AAA, maybe that is why they DFAd Locastro.
Curious what the two teams' WARs were on 1/18/18?Yankees bullpen WAR was 6.4 before Ottavino (0.8)
The Red Sox bullpen is 1.9.
****Biased opinion alert****While I'd like to see DD add another BP arm, (I'm not in camp Kimbrel yet) and the Yankee WAR edge in the BP will give me many sleepless nights, (almost as many as Kimbrel did last year) I do take some solace that the Sox starting 5-6 (Wright) wipe out that edge at about 20-15.
Why? Everyone knows the Yankees are better.If people really need to make head to head comparisons in January, please start a new thread to do so, thanks.
Crow-I was responding to the WAR argument. Using 2018 data for the respective 1-6 starters the Sox have an edge that is larger than the WAR edge the Y's have in the BP. I did not project. I used '18 WAR #s to compare to '18 WAR #s. I think the Sox starters are far better than the Yankee starters. I also think the Sox are a better defensive team and generally have better postion players than the Yankees..****Biased opinion alert****
The Sox last year had 2 MVP Candidates and a Cy Young Candidate with one of the best closers in baseball. I believe in regression and I don't think the Sox can possibly rely on Mookie and JDM to both deliver MVP seasons again. For the Yankees, the starting rotation and nearly every important offensive player had a down year except the rookies.
Look, nobody is going to know how to project these teams properly but the Yankees don't have any player their season hangs on because there's balance across the offense and pitching. If the Sox get a down year from JD, Mookie, or Sale, I'm not sure where they make up for it. Maybe continued improvement from Beni and Devers, maybe Edro stays healthy, maybe Porcello and Price have great years, maybe the bullpen holds it together. As it stands in January, the bullpen is significantly worse than 2018 and there's regression risk for the top performers. With the Yankees, it's opposite, Judge lost two months, Stanton had a down year, Sanchez was invisible, and Torres fell off completely after his hip injury.
How do these types of situations work? Are the Yankees even allowed to talk with Arenado?Some buzz going around about NY maybe trading for Arenado now, possibly contingent on him signing an extension first. He is set to make either $24M or $30M in his final year of team control this year, COL would probably be smart to get back talent for him now.
I think the original team can allow a short negotiation window if they want, but not totally sure.How do these types of situations work? Are the Yankees even allowed to talk with Arenado?
Just one very pricy year of Arenado in exchange, that might be enough. That would open up LF for Clint, NY would be really RH-centric but hard to care too much.Certainly Andujar would head that package.
that said, I don't see any rumors on MLBTR about this. who is rumbling this possibility?
Hate to leave a post without much content or feedback, but I think this is Jon's origin. Been so desperate to get water from this offseason's desert:Googles came up dry.
He is older but is he really inferior?Seems like another potential cost saving move. Grab the inferior player, negotiate before he hits FA to lower his price relative to Machado.
Machado has been a 6+ fWAR player three of the past 4 seasons which Arenado has never done, he has a higher career WAR, is younger as you mentioned, and doesn't have the Coors factor working against him.He is older but is he really inferior?
An argument can be made he isn’t it that a team would rather have Arrenado.
And likes to spike infielders for seemingly no reason. I'd think if any fan base could easily understand why a team might not want to commit hundreds of millions to Machado, it would be BOS.Machado has been a 6+ fWAR player three of the past 4 seasons which Arenado has never done, he has a higher career WAR, is younger as you mentioned, and doesn't have the Coors factor working against him.
Neither of those really fill needs, NY could really use a catcher in between Sanchez and Seager but Stephenson is still a few levels away, and they need a AAA OF or a SP more than a 2B. Maybe he is trying to stick to guys he doesn't need to add to the 40 man yet?More
I`ve been hoping for Machado to sign with them at high dollars and long term. I think he could disrupt a team if he does anymore spiking. It`s also scary because he is a good player.Yep, Andy Martino and also Sweeny Murti are talking about that today, thanks Jess.
And likes to spike infielders for seemingly no reason. I'd think if any fan base could easily understand why a team might not want to commit hundreds of millions to Machado, it would be BOS.
Well, the current research seems to say that COL road hitting stats are aritificially low because they have to constantly adjust back and forth, as opposed to what we have thought for years now. Fangraphs actually ran a piece today that using their new metric, Arenado has been second only to Trout as the best player in baseball over the past six seasons, and not even behind Trout by that much.Arenado is two years older than Machado and .787 OPS on the road for his career as opposed to .984 at Coors. And maybe not much cheaper. Wouldn’t you rather just sign Machado than give up prospects for Arenado?
I think the Sonny Gray move is going to happen very soon, maybe in the next hour or two. Andy Martino has the A's and Padres as the primary two bidders currently, I mentioned it before but I wouldn't mind getting Dustin Fowler back in exchange. He is blocked in CF in OAK by Laureano (a rookie last year) and NY could use the OF depth at AAA, maybe that is why they DFAd Locastro.
JonHeymanVerified account 18s18 seconds ago
Yankees are working hard now on a trade for Sonny Gray. Appears to be getting more serious. Teams involved have included: reds, giants, brewers, a’s, padres, braves, mariners.
Heyman: Yankees are indeed close to trading Sonny Gray. Teams are also asking about Tommy Kahnle and Jonathan Holder.
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I wonder if Holder is mentioned because it would mean a better return.
I think the Sonny Gray move is going to happen very soon, maybe in the next hour or two. Andy Martino has the A's and Padres as the primary two bidders currently, I mentioned it before but I wouldn't mind getting Dustin Fowler back in exchange. He is blocked in CF in OAK by Laureano (a rookie last year) and NY could use the OF depth at AAA, maybe that is why they DFAd Locastro.
Why? Everyone knows the Yankees are better.
::Runs away::
On topic - MLB made another report about an hour ago that Sonny Gray is close to being traded. At this point, we just need this saga to end.
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The latest from Heyman an hour ago:
“Yankees and #Reds are getting closer on a Sonny Gray trade. Teams are talking about two prospects and a draft pick going for Sonny. One of 2B prospect Shed Long and C prospect Tyler Stephenson may go. #SFGiants, Braves, Brewers are on periphery. A deal should happen this weekend.”
We get it. I'm not sure if this is forecasting or wishcasting anymore.Added since then:
SP: Paxton, Happ (Gray gone shortly, Montgomery on the DL)
RP: Ottavino, Britton (replacing Robertson, Warren, Shreve)
C: same
IF: Voit, Gleyber, Andujar, Tulo, LeMahieu (replacing everyone from that list, Didi is on the DL, Bird/Wade to AAA)
OF: same
Why are there so many songs about rainbows?We get it. I'm not sure if this is forecasting or wishcasting anymore.
Fucking imbeciles running the Reds if that is even close to true or the Yankees better be paying the entire contract for 2019. Gray was so bad last year he lost a rotation spot in a rotation so thin the Yankees have already overhauled it. The Yankees getting anything back for Gray should cement Cash- man as the GM of the year again.Gray to Reds?
Oops. Surely the Reds can't agree with you.Sonny Gray is a serviceable big league pitcher. Have you seen his stuff? He just needs the right environment and a pitching coach who can get him off the middle of the plate. Probably not a guy you can count on in a pennant race, or a hitters’ park.
Offset slightly by no DH in the NL. Oops.Oops. Surely the Reds can't agree with you.