Well, it clearly meant enough for Draymond to react, no?Some guys say stuff like that, and then they leave anyway. None of it means anything.
I'm not saying it's actually meaningful, I'm saying the perception clearly has repercussions.
Well, it clearly meant enough for Draymond to react, no?Some guys say stuff like that, and then they leave anyway. None of it means anything.
But isn't Green's criticism that Durant is holding his free agency over the team and using that leverage to make himself the focal point of everything? And that he's doing so at the potential detriment of the team? I'm not saying he's right, but the issue certainly seems to run much deeper than Durant's contract or free agent decisions next summer.Because he is a cry baby. How many other NBA players are whining about someone else's contract status?
I think its safe to say that there are much bigger issues at work beyond Durant's contract status. Tensions have been brewing in that locker room since last year. After they won, David West made reference to some sort of big issue around that squad but nothing else came up that I saw after. My WAG is that it had something to do with Durant/Green.Because he is a cry baby. How many other NBA players are whining about someone else's contract status?
Probably, otherwise it's a really bad look for Draymond. Every year there are tons of players on the last year of their deal who haven't made a commitment and it's never been an issue until now. But like you said, it's probably not the actual issue.I think its safe to say that there are much bigger issues at work beyond Durant's contract status. Tensions have been brewing in that locker room since last year. After they won, David West made reference to some sort of big issue around that squad but nothing else came up that I saw after. My WAG is that it had something to do with Durant/Green.
I think there are ways to tamp that down--"I'm concentrating on winning another title for the Warriors" but (and we can keep saying it should not matter, but it clearly does) he's not doing it.In a hypothetical scenario where KD is going to leave at the end of the year, what does he have to gain by saying that?
Isn't the narrative from the media that Durant feels like he doesn't get enough credit for the Warriors success and that it'll never be seen as "his" team despite the Finals MVPs? If that's the case I can't see him signing up to be Lebron's sidekick in LA. Now the Clippers? That's kind of interesting.I think Durant is gone this summer. He knows it. The team knows it. And it's clearly causing some friction and getting a little awkward. Green is the Warrior lifer. Durant is the mercenary. I would be willing to bet that this dynamic is playing a role. Green is probably telling Durant that he needed them more than they needed him and Durant is probably sitting there like, umm, I'm the best player on this team.
The Warriors clearly aren't going to trade Durant but it's certainly fun to speculate. Durant going to LA to team up with LeBron would be a WWE move that Adam Silver would be salivating over.
Personally, I think he's going to the Knicks. Not many people are on board with me but the Knicks have Porzingis ready to be the Robin to his Batman (which is probably the role the unicorn is best-suited for). They have young talent and valuable 2019 pick to get a 3rd star. They have a well-respected head coach. Dolan is still a clown and the media's expectations may swallow Durant whole but I think it's a real viable solution. Clippers make less sense since I don't know how they would be able to put enough talent around Durant.Isn't the narrative from the media that Durant feels like he doesn't get enough credit for the Warriors success and that it'll never be seen as "his" team despite the Finals MVPs? If that's the case I can't see him signing up to be Lebron's sidekick in LA. Now the Clippers? That's kind of interesting.
It's not like Hayward blew out his knee, he broke his ankle. It will take some time for him to get his athleticism back, but it's going to get there. In short if Boston were inclined to trade him, they'd have suitors.The reality is that a team like GS that is in luxury tax hell isn’t going to want Hayward’s deal. He’s probably pretty untradeable right now.
The difference being that the Warriors were already a title winner when Durant showed up. There's a real chance that LeBron's Lakers don't make it past the first round.Isn't the narrative from the media that Durant feels like he doesn't get enough credit for the Warriors success and that it'll never be seen as "his" team despite the Finals MVPs? If that's the case I can't see him signing up to be Lebron's sidekick in LA. Now the Clippers? That's kind of interesting.
IF Porzingis is healthy, and IF they get a top 3 pick, and IF they clear space for a second star, and IF Durant's agent gets the GM spot he's been lobbying for then yes, I could see Durant making the jump. That's a whole lot of ifs though. It's hard to imagine a player like Durant giving up his prime years to Dolan even with the allure of making the Knicks relevant.Personally, I think he's going to the Knicks. Not many people are on board with me but the Knicks have Porzingis ready to be the Robin to his Batman (which is probably the role the unicorn is best-suited for). They have young talent and valuable 2019 pick to get a 3rd star. They have a well-respected head coach. Dolan is still a clown and the media's expectations may swallow Durant whole but I think it's a real viable solution. Clippers make less sense since I don't know how they would be able to put enough talent around Durant.
Antonio Daniels on SiriusNBA the other day saying that contract talk is commonplace in NBA locker rooms. He spoke specifically of Shawn Marion who exhausted the entire locker room for 3 years until he was traded bitching about his contract (when he was the highest paid player on the team). Also had high praise for Nate McMillian the year he won coach of the year for addressing the issue from Day One on a team that had like 9 expiring contracts and not once were contracts discussed in the locker room.Because he is a cry baby. How many other NBA players are whining about someone else's contract status?
They are all close enough to be able to clear the space if they felt they had a chance. Realisitically only the Knicks and Clippers would make that bold of a move but it would be easily doable for them.I think only the Nets would have room to sign both. There are lots of teams that are close though, but young. Kings, Mavs, NY, Pacers. Clips.
Complaining about your own contract sure is commonplace but is complaining about someone else's contract or contract status really that common? I remember John Wall making some snide remark when Reggie Jackson got his extension. But they were on different teams. Are there recent comparable situations as this Draymond/Durant stuff?Antonio Daniels on SiriusNBA the other day saying that contract talk is commonplace in NBA locker rooms. He spoke specifically of Shawn Marion who exhausted the entire locker room for 3 years until he was traded bitching about his contract (when he was the highest paid player on the team). Also had high praise for Nate McMillian the year he won coach of the year for addressing the issue from Day One on a team that had like 9 expiring contracts and not once were contracts discussed in the locker room.
Daniels didn't dive into comparable but he did say that contract talk is part of every locker room.Complaining about your own contract sure is commonplace but is complaining about someone else's contract or contract status really that common? I remember John Wall making some snide remark when Reggie Jackson got his extension. But they were on different teams. Are there recent comparable situations as this Draymond/Durant stuff?
He's pissed that he took a paycut to help get Durant there and now Durant is going to leave and the Warriors aren't going to max Green.So he's mad at Durant for doing the same thing basically every FA to be does?
Not quite even if they renounced everyone. They could however do a sign and trade with Tobias Harris, Gallinari or Bradley involvedDo the Clippers have the space to sign both Durant and Kwahi, or do they need to dump Gallinari’s salary first?
Draymond Green signed his contract in 2015. Well before anyone thought Kevin Durant would be going to Golden StateHe's pissed that he took a paycut to help get Durant there and now Durant is going to leave and the Warriors aren't going to max Green.
Not only that, Durant took significant discounts the last two summers so that they could bring back guys like Livingston and Igoudala. Had he just maxed out it's questionable whether or not they'd have been able to keep that team together.Draymond Green signed his contract in 2015. Well before anyone thought Kevin Durant would be going to Golden State
Their team is good enough that they could win without either one of them. And that is not even considering who they get as a return in this hypothetical tradeI’d trade Green before ever trading Durant, especially if Greens departure makes Durant more likely to stay. They can win without Draymond.
Is this serious? We have covered this. Even if the Warriors were going to deal Durant - which they are not - Boston isn't a great fit for a variety of reasons.So, is a Durant to the Celtics trade on the table now?
Something happen tonight?So, is a Durant to the Celtics trade on the table now?
Running with this 2% scenario you can wager with close to 100% certainty yhat the Warriors would deal him to an EC team that they view as the least threat rather than looking to maximize a return. Myers isn't going to giftwrap Durant to pair with LeBron to challenge them in the WC. I'd imagine that EC team would offer a quality expiring player unless they felt they could win Durant over similar to what Toronto and Philly are trying to do with Kawhi and Butler respectively.In the 2% chance that things get totally bonkers in Oakland and the Warriors feel that the relationship with Durant is totally fucked, which team would offer most in a trade?
We've seen with Butler and Kawhi (who, if healthy, is better than Durant) that rentals are REALLY limited in the return they fetch. Who would get involved in the bidding war? The Knicks would probably wait till FA since they can't win this year anyway. The Lakers could make a decent package around Lonzo. Philly can't do much without giving up a key piece, although you could make a case for Butler + Miami 2021 working for both sides.
All total speculation, but hey, I'm bored.
Durant is a one year bird player, which means he must agree to the deal for any trade to happen. Further, if Durant agrees to be traded, his Bird status will be reset and he will be viewed as a non-bird free agent this summer.
Because he will never be seen as the main alpha dog there.why again is Durant planning to leave GS? it's not just friction with Green I assume.
Particularly when they're aired publicly. Now that these reports have come out in the media, no one is going to let Durant forget that Green challenged his manhood and he did nothing.https://sports.yahoo.com/warriors-primary-concern-draymond-greens-conduct-detrimental-kevin-durants-future-team-053226752.html
Mostly just what was already known - but it strikes me once Green says something like that, there is no going back. We all know there are some conversations you just can’t take back once said
In another thread the other day we were discussing players energy levels in good/bad environments. Last night we saw a glimpse from the Warriors, particularly last nights "Big Three" of what coming to work into a negative setting dues to ones individual performance and energy level. It's a real thing.Particularly when they're aired publicly. Now that these reports have come out in the media, no one is going to let Durant forget that Green challenged his manhood and he did nothing.
He asked for it not to be asked of him again. No way that happens. Kerr admits they're in a tough spot but thinks they'll get past it.Yeah, and Durant is thin skinned so this will linger.
As the one that was disagreeing with you on this, I stand corrected. I also noticed the following line in the NBA CBA FAQ that I had missed earlier regarding "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents":So I go to RealGM Trade Checker to see if including Hezonja's expiring would make the numbers work (they do) when the restriction warnings popped up. Hezonja can't be traded until Dec 15th which is no big deal as even at 2% this trade isn't occurring prior to that but then this also came up...…….
In the hypothetical that Durant were to be traded to Boston, the Celtics would still have the "Non-Bird Exception" available to them, which would allow them to offer Durant a 20% raise. He is making $30M, and has a 15% trade kicker. So KD would still be near or at the max were he to stay with Boston. Same applies to almost any team to which he gets traded.Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.
If Durant wants Green gone (either because he can’t deal with him day to day, or because letting this one incident stand would be an affront to his manhood) he can easily ask management to move him, and I’m 99.9% sure they’d oblige.Particularly when they're aired publicly. Now that these reports have come out in the media, no one is going to let Durant forget that Green challenged his manhood and he did nothing.
I think the 5 th year is the big thing.As the one that was disagreeing with you on this, I stand corrected. I also noticed the following line in the NBA CBA FAQ that I had missed earlier regarding "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents":
In the hypothetical that Durant were to be traded to Boston, the Celtics would still have the "Non-Bird Exception" available to them, which would allow them to offer Durant a 20% raise. He is making $30M, and has a 15% trade kicker. So KD would still be near or at the max were he to stay with Boston. Same applies to almost any team to which he gets traded.
So, I'm not sure how much it matters if KD loses his Bird rights, but I could be overlooking something. He would still have to agree to the trade. And, there is no way, no how GS is going to trade him within the West.
Thoughts from this clip:My theory is that Dray got on KD about his burner accounts. Maybe said something like 'oh, what are you gonna do, hide on Twitter and at me?' This stuff either permanently burned a bridge or it may bring them together after everybody makes up but it won't be the same. Clearly a line was crossed, KD felt disrespected and whatever Dray said, there is no going back to before that laundry was aired in the huddle. If for some reason you missed it, video below.
Funny KD would feel like he isn't getting enough credit when he specifically picked this team (or so we're told) because he didn't want to be lead dog . . . .Isn't the narrative from the media that Durant feels like he doesn't get enough credit for the Warriors success and that it'll never be seen as "his" team despite the Finals MVPs? If that's the case I can't see him signing up to be Lebron's sidekick in LA. Now the Clippers? That's kind of interesting.