Jayson Tatum Needs His Own Thread

Reverend

for king and country
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jan 20, 2007
64,048
Tatum's playoff rate was 16%. Regular season was 14%.
What about first half versus second half?

What are the good sites for basketball stats? I don't like always asking other people to do my homework. ;)
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
NBA.com and Basketball Reference all have some good stuff.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
11,406
around the way

Bosox1528

New Member
Dec 22, 2017
178
538's CARMELO projections are out, and as far as I can tell, Tatum is projected to be the 4th most valuable player in the NBA over the next 5 years, behind only Simmons, Giannis and Harden.

He's projected to be more valuable than Steph Curry, Lebron, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant,etc.

Edit: Westbrook and Jokic are projected to be slightly more valuable. But still...
 

chilidawg

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 22, 2015
5,934
Cultural hub of the universe
538's CARMELO projections are out, and as far as I can tell, Tatum is projected to be the 4th most valuable player in the NBA over the next 5 years, behind only Simmons, Giannis and Harden.

He's projected to be more valuable than Steph Curry, Lebron, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant,etc.

Edit: Westbrook and Jokic are projected to be slightly more valuable. But still...
And Tatum is projected to have the highest WAR of any Celtic this coming year.
 

TripleOT

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 4, 2007
7,758

UNTOUCHABLE
Check out at 5:20 the block of granite known as Semi Oyeleye curling off screens to shoot the threeball off the catch.

Semi training with Tatum under Hanlen and Jayen Brown working with skills trainer nonpareil Rob "Supermax" McClanaghan is a really good thing for the Celtics.
 

InstaFace

The Ultimate One
SoSH Member
Sep 27, 2016
21,770
Pittsburgh, PA
"we've got a young GOAT in the making, a Zy-GOAT if you will".

Not gonna win any improv awards, but that's higher-brow than most serial-killer-voiced amateur youtube videos.
 

JCizzle

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 11, 2006
20,539
Mother of God, the guy just dunked over LeBron like yesterday and he's at the first summer league practice 3 days before July 4th. What a work ethic.


 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
20,124
Santa Monica
remember when:
-trading Fultz for Tatum + future pick was frowned upon
-Lebron blocking Tatum's initial shot was going to hurt his confidence
-expecting Tatum to produce after Gordon's injury was premature
-comparing Tatum to Robert Covington was dismissed
-Tatum would be done by midseason after hitting the rookie wall
-with Kyrie going down, there would be too much focus on Tatum and he'd be shut down
-a rookie, like Tatum, will struggle under the spotlight of the playoffs
-Game 7 ECF is too much pressure

With his work ethic, Tatum's ceiling is Durant, his floor is Carmelo.
 

lovegtm

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 30, 2013
12,001
remember when:
-trading Fultz for Tatum + future pick was frowned upon
-Lebron blocking Tatum's initial shot was going to hurt his confidence
-expecting Tatum to produce after Gordon's injury was premature
-comparing Tatum to Robert Covington was dismissed
-Tatum would be done by midseason after hitting the rookie wall
-with Kyrie going down, there would be too much focus on Tatum and he'd be shut down
-a rookie, like Tatum, will struggle under the spotlight of the playoffs
-Game 7 ECF is too much pressure

With his work ethic, Tatum's ceiling is Durant, his floor is Carmelo.
And his defense is already in a different universe from Melo's.
 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
20,124
Santa Monica
Now we can add this to the Tatum "never" list:
"May never get physically bigger"

prediction: Tatum will put on 5-10lbs of muscle a year for the next 3 seasons. By 23 he'll be 230lbs and jacked.

Careful lovegtm, Silver and his henchman may swing by your place with tire irons in hand.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
11,406
around the way
Now we can add this to the Tatum "never" list:
"May never get physically bigger"

prediction: Tatum will put on 5-10lbs of muscle a year for the next 3 seasons. By 23 he'll be 230lbs and jacked.

Careful lovegtm, Silver and his henchman may swing by your place with tire irons in hand.
FWIW, putting on a bunch of muscle is not necessary to get much stronger and more explosive. I'm actually excited by the idea that he might be going that route. Frankly, I think that a physique like Jaylen's is more useful to Tatum's game than one like Ojeleye/Crowder.
 

lovegtm

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 30, 2013
12,001
FWIW, putting on a bunch of muscle is not necessary to get much stronger and more explosive. I'm actually excited by the idea that he might be going that route. Frankly, I think that a physique like Jaylen's is more useful to Tatum's game than one like Ojeleye/Crowder.
Jaylen is pretty jacked, so even getting to that would be a big deal for Tatum.

How much does muscle help absorb contact when you're banging in the post, for rebounds, etc? I don't have a good handle on this.
 

snowmanny

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 8, 2005
15,672
Isn't putting on muscle for Tatum largely about driving and absorbing contact so he can finish with higher success? Because once he gets there it's all over boys and girls.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
11,406
around the way
Yeah some actual weight will keep him from bouncing off guys too far. But I used Jaylen as an comparison, as his build is perfect. Finishing isn't just not bouncing off guys, but also exploding through their contest. I'm sure that he's getting good advice in that area. Too much bulk robs guys, in the same way that too much flab does. It's more mass to move. But functional, explosive strength can be added without too much bulk, if done right.
 
Last edited:

djbayko

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
25,897
Los Angeles, CA
Isn't putting on muscle for Tatum largely about driving and absorbing contact so he can finish with higher success? Because once he gets there it's all over boys and girls.
Yes, IMO the strength that is necessary to prevent the occasional ball strips on drives to the hoop can happen without bulk (a lot of that os technique as well), but some bulk would be incredible for his momentum towards the hoop. I mean, Lebron is the ultimate example of this. I don’t know that he can get there, nor do we necessarily want him to. But I won’t be upset if he moves incrementally across that spectrum.
 

shaggydog2000

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 5, 2007
11,483
Yes, IMO the strength that is necessary to prevent the occasional ball strips on drives to the hoop can happen without bulk (a lot of that os technique as well), but some bulk would be incredible for his momentum towards the hoop. I mean, Lebron is the ultimate example of this. I don’t know that he can get there, nor do we necessarily want him to. But I won’t be upset if he moves incrementally across that spectrum.
He's 20. He's going to fill out over the next 5-6 years, it's what happens. It's just a question of how much, and how much of that will be muscle.
 

mcpickl

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 23, 2007
4,546
It's wild to think a year ago at this time, a worry with Tatum was he might not have consistent three point range.

This offense is going to be scary next year. In their closing lineup their worst three point shooter will either be Jaylen or Hayward, who each shot just a hair under 40% in their most recent full seasons.
 

lovegtm

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 30, 2013
12,001
It's wild to think a year ago at this time, a worry with Tatum was he might not have consistent three point range.
I heard that concern many places, and it was always bizarre to me. We go on and on about the superior predictive value of FTs over 3P% for college players, and then everyone was worried that one of the best non-guard FT shooters, who also had excellent form, wouldn't be able to hit NBA 3s?
 

TripleOT

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 4, 2007
7,758
That three point reel perfectly shows why a rookie like Tatum, on a good team with good coaching, can shoot a high percentage from deep, while a high draft choice on a shit team usually can't. Most of Tatum's threeballs came from either a kick out after a paint touching drive, many times in transition, or from really good ball movement. Tatum embodies exactly what Brad Stevens wants from a player on his team.
 

luqin

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
1,972
Some new footage of Tatum playing 1-on-1 vs. Embiid and Bamba.


Best part of the video is them purposely not showing Fultz's jumper, though.
 

lovegtm

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 30, 2013
12,001
It's incredible how much effort was put into that editing to show everything but his shooting form.
Hanlen probably promised Fultz that no one would be allowed to see anything until the shot was reworked and consistent. That seems like an obvious thing to do to help a guy who has some degree of nerves and has been scrutinized like crazy.
 

TripleOT

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 4, 2007
7,758
If this basketball thing doesn't work you, Semi could find a payday in Foxboro as a TE or pass rusher.
 

Sprowl

mikey lowell of the sandbox
Dope
SoSH Member
Jun 27, 2006
34,452
Haiku
Hanlen probably promised Fultz that no one would be allowed to see anything until the shot was reworked and consistent. That seems like an obvious thing to do to help a guy who has some degree of nerves and has been scrutinized like crazy.
A Markelle chain of reasoning.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
Cool video. But when he said “7 am to 11 pm. That’s the work you gotta put in to change your game” it makes it sound like Fultz is putting 12+ hour days and I was impressed.
 

JCizzle

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 11, 2006
20,539
The nuance of chasing the 1-2% improvement is impressive as hell to me. For example, when he told Semi he needs to move his hand a couple centimeters in a different direction while shooting.
 

Silverdude2167

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 9, 2006
4,684
Amstredam
Cool video. But when he said “7 am to 11 pm. That’s the work you gotta put in to change your game” it makes it sound like Fultz is putting 12+ hour days and I was impressed.
If I am remembering the video correctly, it said Fultz first workout of the day was at 12:30pm...
 

Reverend

for king and country
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jan 20, 2007
64,048
Isn't putting on muscle for Tatum largely about driving and absorbing contact so he can finish with higher success? Because once he gets there it's all over boys and girls.
He's basically still a teenager and we know the work he's putting in. Putting on muscle for Tatum largely involves eating enough.