Patriots WR Julian Edelman is facing a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s performance enhancing substances policy, league sources tell @FieldYates and me. Suspension is under appeal.
Edelman Suspended 4 Games for PEDs
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Patriots WR Julian Edelman is facing a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s performance enhancing substances policy, league sources tell @FieldYates and me. Suspension is under appeal.
Yes it is. Take first 4 games off, make sure the knee is ready, then come out ready to go.
Edelman isn’t really a TB12 guy. He’s in Tom’s documentary having a debate with them about the benefits of the standard NFL training regimen.
The Jordan Matthews signing becomes much more important with this. Solid slot receiver to have for these first four games.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/04/06/jordan-matthews-could-slot-presence-for-patriots/zrb5GvQlfr6IoDp7gKW1oK/story.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/04/06/jordan-matthews-could-slot-presence-for-patriots/zrb5GvQlfr6IoDp7gKW1oK/story.html
This is a good illustration of why not to take a victory lap after opposing player X is nailed for PEDs. Because everyone in the NFL does it.
Does anyone honestly give a shit about PEDs in the NFL anymore? I'm just kind of stunned he was dumb enough to get caught.
So, they said it was because of Guerrero's methods huh? Missed that in my version of the story.
I guess that means the guys busted on a team's training program and not Guerrero's were taking them under team orders. That's just crazy.
I mean, yeah, I care a little bit. Not like baseball. I'm disappointed in the news and don't simply deflect to "everyone does it" when I find out that my favorite players break the rules.
Fair enough. I stopped caring a long time ago for all pro sports, but especially for football. In the NFL I assume most players are on something.
Agreed. Rodney Harrison was one of my favorite players and even if you use the usual disclaimers (he was at the end of his career, he just wanted to get back on the field) it’s hard not to consider his PED usage as a somewhat sizable black mark on his legacy.
Edelman has been a great player for this team. He made one of the signature catches of this dynasty. He’s been one of the most visible personalities and his story is a good one. He’s a player fans have rightfully loved. Does using PEDs completely invalidate those feelings? No. But it dininishes them a bit. How can it not?
I was more joking about how all the rest of the super-cutting-edge training probably has less to do with player recovery than things like the natural variance from one person to another, random chance, and PEDs. Lots and lots of PEDs. Which just about every NFL player probably has to take to survive a sport that is equivalent to being in a car crash on a regular basis. I'm sure the players and trainers think that diet tweaks, kettle bells, and stretchy bands make a huge difference. I remain unconvinced by the scant evidence.
Elaborate please.
And is Ordway concocting a they’re-out-to-get-us/Bill’s-guys-don’t-do-bad-stuff conspiracy on this? Or does Jerry Thornton have an exclusive license agreement on framing every issue that way?
Can’t wait to hear from Steeler Nation.
It will be like Trump jumping ugly on the Clintons for #me too harassment. And vice versa.
I would argue that it's a blip on Harrison's legacy radar compared to his cheapness, however real or perceived. Until someone brought it up a couple years ago, I really had no memory that he was suspended for PEDs.
I remember the year suspension substance abuse guys. The PED 4 gamers hardly register a blip on my radar. I know this is Patriots, so its going to be big news cycle, but honestly PED's just doesn't move the needle much anymore.
My best guess as to what is being said:
Belichick absolutely orchestrated this, Mike. Look, Brady's acting like a prima donna, skipping OTA's, you can't tell me that the timing is a coincidence. Now a big TB12 guy gets popped and Belichick can say that there's no way he can be on the team plane now. Now Brady loses two of his favorite binkies in Guerrero and Edelman, Belichick was 100% behind this to get the upper hand and send a message not to screw with him.
Belichick absolutely orchestrated this, Mike. Look, Brady's acting like a prima donna, skipping OTA's, you can't tell me that the timing is a coincidence. Now a big TB12 guy gets popped and Belichick can say that there's no way he can be on the team plane now. Now Brady loses two of his favorite binkies in Guerrero and Edelman, Belichick was 100% behind this to get the upper hand and send a message not to screw with him.
I the end, this is the question. I'm skeptical. I don't think this is literally true or even close to true. I think there are enough clean players in the NFL, and even some who washed out clean, that those who do this stuff should be judged.
But, again, I'm just skeptical. I don't know.
What's the tipping point anyway where it's reasonable to not care? You could make the case that so long as there's one clean player then it really doesn't matter if everyone else is doing it, it's still wrong. I don't know. 80 percent? 40 percent? Where is the critical mass such that doing it is not a problem?
The problem is that this is not a black and white issue. There are different degrees of PEDs. I believe 100% of these guys are taking supplements. I think a much, much smaller group are doing hard core steroids. Maybe 10%. The supplement industry is largely unregulated and guys get caught taking something relatively benign but it's on the banned substance list. Simplify the list to just the worst stuff and forget about chasing the small stuff.
Around 1988, 89 a track coach I know whose parents were German, so he sprechen the right language and knew people to get a meeting with a guru of the East German track team. Very respectfully the young Canadian coach gave him the bottle of Canadian Club that had been a prerequisite of the meeting. He asked for any incite into training athletes as the master had done. He was told 1. Identify the athletes using x-rays, muscle biopsies, 2. you can't teach heart, if they won't work hard get rid of them, 3. Massive doses of steroids. then laughed pouring them both a drink.
If I had to guess I’d say - if he’s truly guilty - he got popped for taking HGH to aid in his recovery from surgery. Not steroids.
Yeah, I had a friend on the 1988 US Olympic team (not track), and after Ben Johnson got busted, he said that was surprising since literally the entire US track team did it too.
I'm not arguing that it's right, or even okay . But everyone in the NFL uses PEDs. The dumb or really unlucky ones get caught.
I can't fully explain why it bothers me in baseball and not as much in football, but that is the case. Maybe because I enjoy the history of baseball and the PED guys ruined all the records .
Don't care. Only matters if it impacts whether he is part of the active team when the steelers play them.
The whole league, the whole damn sport has descended into grubby horseshit, more tacky than Iron Sheik and Volkoff storylines from the 80s. So I watch if it's convenient and I don't have higher priority stuff to do, but I really don't care.
I get what you're saying. I can't quite put my finger on it either, but I think some of my NFL PED shoulder-shrugging comes from the same place in my brain that still compels me to watch a fair amount of football (though not as much as 10 years ago) despite a whole bunch of reasons that should make me turn away completely.
It’s 100%. It really is.
I’m not sure if I’m missing your distinctions here, or if you’re not super well versed on supplements versus PEDs. Most hardcore supplements are either banned by the government or the leagues, and while I suppose every now and then an OTC GNC preworkout powder or protein powder has some dbol in it, that’s not really the case anymore and is more a vestige of athletes’ favorite excuse.
Also, steroids are steroids. Some have harsher side effects, but there’s no hardcore versus chill steroids. Taking test will have huge effects on most people. Tren will have more, but they’re both PEDs.
NFL is a sport where 270 lb behemoths can sprint a 40 in 4.5 seconds.
Everybody is on some kind of PED (legal or otherwise). The false righteousness of people regarding this issue confounds me.
Everybody is on some kind of PED (legal or otherwise). The false righteousness of people regarding this issue confounds me.
I agree. Watch Bigger, Faster, Stronger sometime. It’s a good documentary. Basically, steroids were legal and rampant till the Soviets started crushing us at the Olympics because they had better labs so then we vilified and outlawed them. A proper cycle is much better and healthier than alcohol or tobacco. Who cares?