You'd do well with this kind of posting in the game thread.Looks like it was the right move.
If true, then glad he got released. I don't want any player trying to "tough it out" through injury, but it's especially worse when the player is doing so in order to hamstring the team into a 22m option when a superior option is sitting healthily on the bench.is this twitter account reliable?
Saved By The Bellhorn @SBTBH 15h15 hours ago
Replying to @RedSoxMVP
A contributor to SBTBH posted unconfirmed reports that hanley's was playing thru injury after HBP on the wrist on aprll 29, and not being upfront with med staff about it(he needed those 497 PA's to trigger $22mill option). Cora told Dumbo "when pedroia's back Hanley's gotta go"
Saved By The Bellhorn @SBTBH 11h11 hours ago
Replying to @RedSoxMVP
Hanley supposedly downplaying his wrist injury to cora and med. staff as he struggled through may..didn't want to lose playing time b/c it might put his vesting option in jeopardy. it eventually lead to fight with cora. likely lead to the decision to dfa him upon pedroia's return
If this all were true, couldn't the Sox have just put him on the DL and told him that he needed to get his wrist treated or else?
Not entirely - while a player can’t decline a DL stint, in this case with Hanley set to trigger an option, if he’s claiming he’s not hurt you can guarantee he and the MLBPA would file a grievance with the league, and using the DL to circumvent rules and contracts is a slippery slope to be going down. Releasing him was just a far tidier way of handling the situation.MLB players still get paid for their contract so teams can do whatever they want (see Panda, Fat).
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/06/04/multiple-teams-are-interested-hanley-ramirez/Ntu8UtfPqyMGc0WE5sC2FN/story.htmlBut those that could be pondering Ramirez include Seattle, Colorado, Chicago (White Sox), Los Angeles (Angels), Minnesota, Tampa Bay, and St. Louis. Houston could explore Ramirez to see if he could upgrade its first base/DH production. There could be others.
I think the HBP is evidence enough for a DL trip. Surely people have gone on the DL for less.What's MLB protocol when a guy says "I'm good," and there's nothing other than shitty play (no xray, MRI, etc) to support a DL trip?
I might give credence to the wrist injury, but the assumption of fighting and concern over vesting strikes me as some of the narrative-furthering gap filling we see with Patriot reporting.Quite a few posts working off a rumor posted by an unknown source. Isn't Saved by the Bellhorn a pale, poor, worst-of-the-worst-EEI-caller imitator of SoSH? And we're operating as if this poster on that site has insider knowledge that has escaped not just the local beat guys, but the national ones as well? Sorry, not buying it.
Shit, it doesn't even matter what the site is...how reliable can info be coming from someone that refers to Dave Dombrowski as "Dumbo"?
Yeah, the wrist injury is the only plausible thing in the "report" because we all saw him get hit by that pitch. Everything else seems like fan fiction wishcasting.I might give credence to the wrist injury, but the assumption of fighting and concern over vesting strikes me as some of the narrative-furthering gap filling we see with Patriot reporting.
Angels? Who are already juggling Pujols/Otani?FWIW, Cafardo with some speculation on Hanley's potential landing spots:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/06/04/multiple-teams-are-interested-hanley-ramirez/Ntu8UtfPqyMGc0WE5sC2FN/story.html
You're looking for logic from Cafardo? Maybe it's one of the "others".Angels? Who are already juggling Pujols/Otani?
Hard to be wrong when you name 1/3 of the league, then say it is not an inclusive list.You're looking for logic from Cafardo? Maybe it's one of the "others".
Haha. No. It is not reliable.is this twitter account reliable?
Saved By The Bellhorn @SBTBH 15h15 hours ago
Replying to @RedSoxMVP
A contributor to SBTBH posted unconfirmed reports that hanley's was playing thru injury after HBP on the wrist on aprll 29, and not being upfront with med staff about it(he needed those 497 PA's to trigger $22mill option). Cora told Dumbo "when pedroia's back Hanley's gotta go"
Saved By The Bellhorn @SBTBH 11h11 hours ago
Replying to @RedSoxMVP
Hanley supposedly downplaying his wrist injury to cora and med. staff as he struggled through may..didn't want to lose playing time b/c it might put his vesting option in jeopardy. it eventually lead to fight with cora. likely lead to the decision to dfa him upon pedroia's return
DD will be thrilled by this news. Source?His $22.75M contract is null and void now.
Gonna need to put Adrian Gonzalez on the other side of that carton. A-Gon be gone.Hanley's been a Free Agent for 3 weeks
The same Adam Lind who's in Pawtucket?In a world where Adam Lind can't get a job, it can't be too shocking that Hanley can't.
He had a 124 OPS+ last year and had to settle for a minor league contract. I can't see Hanley accepting a minor league contract. He'd probably retire before that.The same Adam Lind who's in Pawtucket?
Lots of former guys you figured would just hang it up (Rickey Henderson, Manny) kept on playing abroad and in independent leagues. What else do these guys know in terms of life style?He had a 124 OPS+ last year and had to settle for a minor league contract. I can't see Hanley accepting a minor league contract. He'd probably retire before that.
Lots of guys don't too. People are going to approach these things with different mindsets (obviously).Lots of former guys you figured would just hang it up (Rickey Henderson, Manny) kept on playing abroad and in independent leagues. What else do these guys know in terms of life style?
He and/or his agent were talking about the multiple offers they were considering right after his release from the Sox was official. Sure, he could have decided he just wants to hang out and collect his money, but that's not what he was sayingIsn't it possible that Hanley doesn't want a job? I mean he is collecting his salary. Do we know he isn't getting league minimum type offers and just declining?
https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2018/06/16/mlb-notebook-red-sox-may-need-bullpen-help-deadline-hanley-mystery-deepens/The mystery of Hanley Ramirez deepens.
It’s been more than three weeks since Ramirez was designated for assignment by the Red Sox and the veteran slugger has yet to sign elsewhere.
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Interest, even from non-contenders who could benefit from his offensive production for minimal cost, seems non-existent.
“You think someone like Buck Showalter wants to deal with someone like Hanley for the rest of the year?” asked one baseball person.
One person who knows Ramirez well this week speculated that Ramirez may not feel compelled to play for the remainder of this season, reasoning that, no matter what he does or doesn’t do, he has some $15 million coming to him from the Red Sox to finish out the guaranteed portion of his four-year, $88 million deal.
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One baseball executive, who asked not to be identified, suggested that Ramirez’s reputation may precede him when it comes to attracting interested teams and hinted that there may have been other issues that contributed to his release by the Red Sox.
If there were behavioral issues with Ramirez, the Red Sox have been mum on the topic, insisting that the move to designate Ramirez was strictly a “baseball move,” one motivated by their desire for a more flexible roster and the fear that he would not transition well to part-time status.
With the way that the Sox have been over the years when it comes to showing people the door, the bold part of the quote would be the most surprising of this entire thing. Maybe they're finally learning?If there were behavioral issues with Ramirez, the Red Sox have been mum on the topic, insisting that the move to designate Ramirez was strictly a “baseball move,” one motivated by their desire for a more flexible roster and the fear that he would not transition well to part-time status.
Or there's no "there" there, his DFA was strictly a baseball move and Hanley is truly just sitting back and enjoying some time off knowing he's getting paid no matter what.With the way that the Sox have been over the years when it comes to showing people the door, the bold part of the quote would be the most surprising of this entire thing. Maybe they're finally learning?
Possible but unlikely, IMO.Isn't it possible that Hanley doesn't want a job? I mean he is collecting his salary. Do we know he isn't getting league minimum type offers and just declining?
Definitely agree on the way they have handled it. Seems a new discipline and can only help things going forward.Possible but unlikely, IMO.
If Hanley was a clubhouse problem, I can understand the lack of interest. Also, the way the Sox have handled it is a refreshing change.
Maybe that weirdo who started that thread the other day actually works for the team and they’re getting desperate?Or there's no "there" there, his DFA was strictly a baseball move and Hanley is truly just sitting back and enjoying some time off knowing he's getting paid no matter what.
Or maybe there was never no "there" there when Tito got canned or when Nomar and Manny were shipped out and the Red Sox didn't feel the need to justify their departures by kicking them on their way out of town. Maybe all three of those moves were baseball moves and the Red Sox acted like assholes and I'm glad that they didn't do that this time.Or there's no "there" there, his DFA was strictly a baseball move and Hanley is truly just sitting back and enjoying some time off knowing he's getting paid no matter what.
I agree 100% that the current approach is much better than what's happened sometimes in the past. However, Manny's run-in's with the team were already public knowledge before he got traded and had little to do with the front office leaking things to the press. And it was a pretty long list with him.Or maybe there was never no "there" there when Tito got canned or when Nomar and Manny were shipped out and the Red Sox didn't feel the need to justify their departures by kicking them on their way out of town. Maybe all three of those moves were baseball moves and the Red Sox acted like assholes and I'm glad that they didn't do that this time.
When was the last time a departing player or staff member was trashed on the way out? Farrell's departure never got as ugly as it could have. It seems that the whisper campaigns have diminished now that certain people are no longer in ownership.Or maybe there was never no "there" there when Tito got canned or when Nomar and Manny were shipped out and the Red Sox didn't feel the need to justify their departures by kicking them on their way out of town. Maybe all three of those moves were baseball moves and the Red Sox acted like assholes and I'm glad that they didn't do that this time.
He'll be 35 in December, has been in decline for awhile, and is a DH. He may have 2 years left in him at most. I'm not sure he'd even get 1/8 if he played this year and was productive unless he's 2013 levels of productive. If he isn't productive, he may not even be offered a ML job and forced to accept a minor league deal or retire. I guess he could go to Japan for a year or two.Hanley doesn't play this season he will be hoping or a 1 year $8 million deal next year.
Of course of he does play this year and isn't productive, that 8 turns into a 4
I think JMHO hit on it with Tito. The Hohler hit job in the Globe had the Sox's fingerprints (probably Lucchino's) all over it. But since then, I can't think of anything. Carl Crawford maybe? Though he caused most of that by bringing it up himself. Boston media seemingly moved on pretty fast after the Punto trade.When was the last time a departing player or staff member was trashed on the way out? Farrell's departure never got as ugly as it could have. It seems that the whisper campaigns have diminished now that certain people are no longer in ownership.