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I know what Hill has done in his career but it’s really tough to be as bad as he’s been defensively without suffering a slip in his game. His D rating is one of the worst in the entire NBA. Am I to believe he’ll just flip a switch and become a much better player in Cleveland? Sure, his stats should go up a bit by being on a better team but not dramatically. He chose to take the money and go to Sacramento and should’ve known what he was getting himself into.
Individual D-ratings are greatly impacted by the other 4 teammates on the floor with you. We've seen this earlier in the year with Kyrie's D-rating compared to his historical numbers. Hill has had either 1st/2nd year players or 20th year players on the court with him.......it would have been a surprise if his was anything better than horrible.
 

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Individual D-ratings are greatly impacted by the other 4 teammates on the floor with you. We've seen this earlier in the year with Kyrie's D-rating compared to his historical numbers. Hill has had either 1st/2nd year players or 20th year players on the court with him.......it would have been a surprise if his was anything better than horrible.
I am optimistic that this will transition nicely into a DRPM post mortem, starring Amir, Jae, and Aron.
 

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I am optimistic that this will transition nicely into a DRPM post mortem, starring Amir, Jae, and Aron.
Baynes' DRPM was strong last year too. Amir's DRPM remains strong this year as well.

Hill and Crowder have had real dropoffs however.
 

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Baynes' DRPM was strong last year too. Amir's DRPM remains strong this year as well.

Hill and Crowder have had real dropoffs however.
Does DRPM love ancillary big men? Jae has always been small for his size, and Hill is, well, a guard.
 

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I'm still in the Rodney Hood for the DPE and 2018 BOS 1st round pick. 39% from three, solid defense on SGs, another option heading to next year being a RFA.
 

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Baynes, while good before, has shot through the roof this year. Amir, while still not terrible, has cratered from last year.
Baynes dRPM has gone from 2.93 to 3.41 - that's a pretty minor change. Amir's dRPM went from 3.58 to 1.90 - a bigger shift, but I wouldn't call that cratering.

Does DRPM love ancillary big men? Jae has always been small for his size, and Hill is, well, a guard.
Size (height) is a component in dRPM, but both Crowder and Hill used to grade out well there, so that doesn't explain it.
 

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I'm still in the Rodney Hood for the DPE and 2018 BOS 1st round pick. 39% from three, solid defense on SGs, another option heading to next year being a RFA.
Hood's an interesting option, especially since he's been pushed to the bench for Mitchell being incredible. But I have a hard time believing they couldn't get a better return than the BOS 1st. Presumably Boston would be looking at him as a rental, as I doubt they could re-sign both him AND smart, and I imagine they'd prioritize Smart, if either. But someone who wants him for multiple years presumably would offer more, and just about anyone's 1st would be more appealing than Boston's. I doubt adding the LAC pick moves the needle much, and adding either of the other future picks (LAL/SAC or MEM) is too much for Hood. I doubt Yabu/Semi/Nader have really shown enough to make it a more enticing option, either, so I'm not sure what kind of deal they can really offer that would beat out a potential ~low 20's pick.
 

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Hood's an interesting option, especially since he's been pushed to the bench for Mitchell being incredible. But I have a hard time believing they couldn't get a better return than the BOS 1st. Presumably Boston would be looking at him as a rental, as I doubt they could re-sign both him AND smart, and I imagine they'd prioritize Smart, if either. But someone who wants him for multiple years presumably would offer more, and just about anyone's 1st would be more appealing than Boston's. I doubt adding the LAC pick moves the needle much, and adding either of the other future picks (LAL/SAC or MEM) is too much for Hood. I doubt Yabu/Semi/Nader have really shown enough to make it a more enticing option, either, so I'm not sure what kind of deal they can really offer that would beat out a potential ~low 20's pick.
It's interesting. I agree that Hood is attractive in isolation given his skill set but he is, at this point, not a huge difference maker. So while the Jazz may ask a lot for him, I can also see opposing GMs balking because, for the near term at least, Hood is nothing more than solid rotational depth. I would also had that staying healthy has been a problem for him. That is likely to weigh on his market as well.

I do agree the C's should and likely are kicking the tires on him. I want him for Boston, if only because I can use the term "Hood rich" in game threads.
 

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Obviously nearly any other first round pick is going to be better, but I am doubtful anyone is going to offer it. With all the tests having cap issues this summer, there is a good chance that BOS could get a good deal on Hood or Smart. Nice to have the option depending on cost.
 

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I'm still in the Rodney Hood for the DPE and 2018 BOS 1st round pick. 39% from three, solid defense on SGs, another option heading to next year being a RFA.
Don't you lose Bird rights when you trade using the DPE? So the fact he's restricted won't really help us unless he signs for less than the MLE or we clear cap room (which seems unlikely).
 

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Don't you lose Bird rights when you trade using the DPE? So the fact he's restricted won't really help us unless he signs for less than the MLE or we clear cap room (which seems unlikely).
I don't think so - in part because that would penalize the player. Hard to see the NBAPA going along with that.
 

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It's interesting. I agree that Hood is attractive in isolation given his skill set but he is, at this point, not a huge difference maker. So while the Jazz may ask a lot for him, I can also see opposing GMs balking because, for the near term at least, Hood is nothing more than solid rotational depth. I would also had that staying healthy has been a problem for him. That is likely to weigh on his market as well.

I do agree the C's should and likely are kicking the tires on him. I want him for Boston, if only because I can use the term "Hood rich" in game threads.
I wonder if picking up Hood has the potential to cause some dissension, especially if Hayward returns. Suddenly, a lot of guys competing for wing minutes, and for Marcus in particular, someone competing in free agency.
 

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Competition is good. Brad seems to have the respect from players across the NBA, don't think he'll lose the locker room if they add more talent. I trust Brad will give the player the most minutes who gives the Celtics the best chance at winning and he'll be able to get the team to buy in.

Target Hood or Evans, especially with Marcus off for the next 2 weeks (or more). BUT hoping Danny can save the DPE for post-trade date buyouts. Both Hood/Evans salaries are so low Danny could cobble Nader+ or Larkin and a draft pick without using the DPE.
 
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Competition is good. Brad seems to have the respect from players across the NBA, don't think he'll lose the locker room if they add more talent. I trust Brad will give the player the most minutes who gives the Celtics the best chance at winning and he'll be able to get the team to buy in.

Target Hood or Evans, especially with Marcus off for the next 2 weeks (or more). BUT hoping Danny can save the DPE for post-trade date buyouts. Both Hood/Evans salaries are so low Danny could cobble Nader+ or Larkin and a draft pick without using the DPE.
Evans to me seems like a guy who can be a real difference maker, Hood not so much. And acquiring him will be far more expensive, but worth it imo if you're thinking about contending this year.
 

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I don't hate to say this but even with the Clippers in playoff contention, there is still a chance that Lou Will is available. The cost would be high and the Cs would have to shake things up. But he would solve a lot of problems for them on offense.
 

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I don't hate to say this but even with the Clippers in playoff contention, there is still a chance that Lou Will is available. The cost would be high and the Cs would have to shake things up. But he would solve a lot of problems for them on offense.
Love him BUT Lou is taking on cult status in LA. They aren't dealing him, especially with the Pels taking the huge Boogie hit. Gallinari is coming back shortly, and 4 games separate 5-9 in the West.

Lou has a super attitude, didn't get upset about All-Star snub, and isn't even bothered coming off the bench for Austin. I'd expect Ballmer and his enormous wallet to overpay him this offseason.
 

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Love him BUT Lou is taking on cult status in LA. They aren't dealing him, especially with the Pels taking the huge Boogie hit. Gallinari is coming back shortly, and 4 games separate 5-9 in the West.

Lou has a super attitude, didn't get upset about All-Star snub, and isn't even bothered coming off the bench for Austin. I'd expect Ballmer and his enormous wallet to overpay him this offseason.
Pretty much everything you say is correct - Williams has indeed won over Clippers fans and the team is fun to follow with him on it. I am not sure that the Clips resign him though because he is 31 years old, 6'1" and pretty one dimensional. In short, he isn't a player you build around, even if he gets Ballmer up and out of his seat with his electric shooting.

Frank/Winger have clearly been fielding offers on their assets for part of this season and they may be tempted to bite for a few reasons. First, what happens if they deal Jordan? What is the point of having Lou Williams if you are dealing one of your other better players - even if other current NBA rotation players come back (I am assuming they won't get equal current talent for someone like Jordan)? More to the point, what is the Clippers goal this season and beyond? I get that fans like ElUno want them to make the playoffs but, barring something totally unforeseen, they aren't getting out of the second round if they even make it that far. This team is not really a contender, even with a healthy Gallinari.

I think the cost of Williams is going to be too high but if the C's offered something like Rozier, another young player (Yabusele works) plus any good pick other than the LA/Sacto one, the Clippers should at least listen. Again, I am not suggesting that gets it done but for as valuable as Williams is to LA, their status as an almost certain also-ran coupled with his skill-set puts them in a tough spot. If they are able to turn him into a few young, controllable assets and a pick, they have to think about it.
 

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Lou Williams is what we all envisioned IT to be in 2-3 years if he wasn't traded. Hopefully Rozier can develop into that type of player. I can't see the Celtics acquiring the real Lou now. He's worked his way out of our price range talent wise.
 

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Rozier doesn't need to be anything like the scorer that LW is to have equal value because he's a far better defender and rebounder. I think there's about a zero chance he ends up a similar player.
 

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I think JZ was making a joke about the two first round picks that Boston (in essence) received because of Green.
 

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Pretty much everything you say is correct - Williams has indeed won over Clippers fans and the team is fun to follow with him on it. I am not sure that the Clips resign him though because he is 31 years old, 6'1" and pretty one dimensional. In short, he isn't a player you build around, even if he gets Ballmer up and out of his seat with his electric shooting.

Frank/Winger have clearly been fielding offers on their assets for part of this season and they may be tempted to bite for a few reasons. First, what happens if they deal Jordan? What is the point of having Lou Williams if you are dealing one of your other better players - even if other current NBA rotation players come back (I am assuming they won't get equal current talent for someone like Jordan)? More to the point, what is the Clippers goal this season and beyond? I get that fans like ElUno want them to make the playoffs but, barring something totally unforeseen, they aren't getting out of the second round if they even make it that far. This team is not really a contender, even with a healthy Gallinari.

I think the cost of Williams is going to be too high but if the C's offered something like Rozier, another young player (Yabusele works) plus any good pick other than the LA/Sacto one, the Clippers should at least listen. Again, I am not suggesting that gets it done but for as valuable as Williams is to LA, their status as an almost certain also-ran coupled with his skill-set puts them in a tough spot. If they are able to turn him into a few young, controllable assets and a pick, they have to think about it.
In my opinion, no one should be long term planning in the NBA. The champ is obvious before the season starts. And if you happen to have the 2 or 3 pieces you need to make you the champ, it's pretty easy to tool on the fly and collect the ring. There is very rarely some scrappy upset NBA champ. So, to me, this is all pretty pointless. Durant is on a 73 win team, barring a freak injury, they'll win titles until they're blue in the face.

Long way of saying, yeah I want my clippers to have a 1st or 2nd round exit. It's better than pretending we're building for some magical dynasty.
 
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In my opinion, no one should be long term planning in the NBA. The champ is obvious before the season starts. And if you happen to have the 2 or 3 pieces you need to make you the champ, it's pretty easy to tool on the fly and collect the ring. There is very rarely some scrappy upset NBA champ. So, to me, this is all pretty pointless. Durant is on a 73 win team, barring a freak injury, they'll win titles until they're blue in the face.

Long way of saying, yeah I want my clippers to have a 1st or 2nd round exit. It's better than pretending we're building for some magical dynasty.
We'll see. I for one think the odds of a scrappy upstart called the Celtics have a shot, and I'll keep thinking that until they're done or we win.
 

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http://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/28/report-boston-celtics-potential-nba-trade-deadline-tyreke-evans/

Wouldn't be shocked to see Smart+ for Evans

Boy scouts, Ainge/Stevens, may not be thrilled with Smart's choices this week. Danny probably has a good idea on what Marcus' camp will do this offseason. Evans solves Celtics scoring issues with the 2nd unit this season.

Marcus may be easier/cheaper to sign for Memphis then Evans this offseason. Grizz get younger and go back to their Grit and Grind mantra.
 

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The Celtics can’t re-sign Evans, so I’d be shocked if the deal was anything more than their 2018 #1 for Evans.
 

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Yep. I think a late 1st in this years draft is just about the most they can expect
I mean Evans would be a replacement for Marcus for the remainder of this year, but there are no Bird Rights with him and they’d have to pray he re-signed for the MLE. And they really need more second unit shot creation, not treading water.

Meanwhile there’s no real room on their roster for a late #1 from the 2018 draft, especially if they get the Lakers pick this year.
 

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I’ve moved on from Lou Williams and now Evans is my preferred target so this is potentially exciting. A second unit of Rozier/Smart/Evans/Morris/Theis would be pretty intriguing from a talent standpoint.
 

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Evans is fine - he will help. However we have debated whether his improvement in shooting and from distance in particular is real - and several here come down on the side that it is - so its worth noting that in January the guy is shooting 37.6% overall and 23.6% from deep. Its only nine games so it could easily be a bad stretch. That said, his career shooting numbers suggest he could also be a regression candidate.

Its one thing if Marcus Smart is building a house during games but if the Celtics big deadline acquisition is a guy who has newfound shooting confidence based on something unsustainable, that would really suck. That said, as others have also noted, he is about the only guy who is available and is conceivably affordable for the C's.
 

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Evans is fine - he will help. However we have debated whether his improvement in shooting and from distance in particular is real - and several here come down on the side that it is - so its worth noting that in January the guy is shooting 37.6% overall and 23.6% from deep. Its only nine games so it could easily be a bad stretch. That said, his career shooting numbers suggest he could also be a regression candidate.

Its one thing if Marcus Smart is building a house during games but if the Celtics big deadline acquisition is a guy who has newfound shooting confidence based on something unsustainable, that would really suck. That said, as others have also noted, he is about the only guy who is available and is conceivably affordable for the C's.
He's been >35% from deep since the 2015-2016 season so I would think that if he was going to regress it would've already happened, but the dismal shooting for the first six years of his career would give me some pause. I agree that it would be a catastrophe if they trade for him and he shoots like Marcus but I also don't believe that Danny would pull the trigger if he wasn't completely confident that Evans' January is nothing more than a cold stretch.
 

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So just to play along, cause it's fun. How far are you willing to go if AD is in fact in play?

Need to get to 19 million in salary. Any 4 combination of Baynes, Smart, Tatum, Jaylen, Morris gets you there. Can also get there with 3 of the above and aggregating some smaller salaries of Nader/Larkin/Yabusele/etc. That creates some issues with roster spots on both teams though.

Would anyone do a Tatum, Morris, Smart, Baynes LAL/SAC pick for Davis?
 

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Fwiw, Nate Duncan in the most recent Dunc'd On podcast argued pretty persuasively that in the wake of the Boogie injury, the time for NO to move AD is now.

As far as what the Cs could/should offer: I would say pretty much anything that works in the trade machine and results in a Big 3 of Kyrie-Hayward-Davis.
 

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Couldn't the Boogie injury be a blessing in disguise for the Pelicans? Fall out of the playoffs and add a lottery pick, bring back Cousins on a discounted deal and run it back next year. If that doesn't work you can then move AD in the summer of '19 or and the '20 deadline.
 

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Couldn't the Boogie injury be a blessing in disguise for the Pelicans? Fall out of the playoffs and add a lottery pick, bring back Cousins on a discounted deal and run it back next year. If that doesn't work you can then move AD in the summer of '19 or and the '20 deadline.
I'm sure they'd be happy to grab Trae Young or one of the top non-bigs, but a lotto rookie doesn't improve their near-term fortunes any.
 

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In the here's-how-dumb-rumors-get-started category, Inquisitr ran this headline: NBA Trade Rumors: Celtics May Get Kawhi Leonard From Spurs For Three Players. With Leonard reportedly disgruntled, it's open season on trade speculation. But the Inquisitr headline is apparently based on this article (someone btw should coin a neologism for what you call it when a sportswriter just starts yanking trade ideas out of his a**). The trade idea, for kicks, is below -- it seems like a too-good deal for Boston, if say they could move Brown, Morris and Yabu and a couple of late first-round picks for Leonard, unless his quad injury is a long-term problem. Anyone else willing to do this deal?

Tatum or Brown
Marcus Morris or Marcus Smart
Aron Baynes or Guerschon Yabusele.
"And to cap off the deal, an addition of two late first rounders or one high pick would render this deal irresistible for the Spurs’ front office." (direct quote)