The Nation's Tears: Volume II

Tyrone Biggums · Jan 12, 2018

Interesting. Brady and Belichick are two of the greatest of all time but yet they “cheat”. If you cheat how can you be considered great? Bonds and Clemens have lots of accomplishments and not in the hall of fame due to their cheating.

These writers need to pick a side and stick with it. Their either the best duo of all time or they’re the product of cheating and none of their accomplishments hold water. Pick a side and stick with it.

I may actually finally watch a game this season just to see the Titans get drilled 49-10.

loshjott · Jan 12, 2018

Hoya81 said:
All of Brady’s postseason TDs, rushing and passing. Video is on NFL’s twitter account for app folks.

There’s a few in there that probably wouldn’t be a catch today, especially Patten in SB36.

Edit: Wrong thread. Can a mod move this to the “What Is” thread?

I had absolutely forgotten that the Jets made the playoffs in 2006 and Pats beat them before going to San Diego for that classic.

jayhoz · Jan 14, 2018

He's back.

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Jed Zeppelin · Jan 14, 2018

jayhoz said:
He's back.

This guy, an old man, not only owns but wears a Fuck Brady shirt...to watch a game against a DIFFERENT team.

luckiestman · Jan 14, 2018

Jed Zeppelin said:
This guy, an old man, not only owns but wears a Fuck Brady shirt...to watch a game against a DIFFERENT team.

So like a run of the mill pre 2004 Red Sox fan?

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt · Jan 14, 2018

I missed the dip on the wall this time. Also, why are they watching the game from a Bob's showroom floor?

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt · Jan 14, 2018

luckiestman said:
So like a run of the mill pre 2004 Red Sox fan?

What are you talking about, that's not at all the - oh wait....

Hendu for Kutch · Jan 14, 2018

Jed Zeppelin said:
This guy, an old man, not only owns but wears a Fuck Brady shirt...to watch a game against a DIFFERENT team.

I popped by a Steelers board after the game to drink it in a bit and they happened to have a thread about which team the members hated most. Every single #1 answer was New England. All of them. It has reached the level of Boston's feelings toward the Yankees 15 years ago. It seems to color everything their fans (and even some players) say and do. 100% in their heads and I, for one, am glad they won't get the chance to 2004 us next week.

brandonchristensen · Jan 14, 2018

Yeah. Yanks lived in our head rent free for a long while there

Now they’re just pains in the FUCKING ASSES FUCKING STANTON ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME LURCH YOU GODDAMN PIECE OF SHIT I FUCKING HATE YOU

Jed Zeppelin · Jan 14, 2018

luckiestman said:
So like a run of the mill pre 2004 Red Sox fan?

Our insecurity was earned. This dude has lived through six Super Bowl wins.

brandonchristensen · Jan 14, 2018

Jed Zeppelin said:
Our insecurity was earned. This dude has lived through six Super Bowl wins.

He might have progeria.

pappymojo · Jan 14, 2018

Jeter still sucks.

snowmanny · Jan 14, 2018

Hoya81 said:
All of Brady’s postseason TDs, rushing and passing. Video is on NFL’s twitter account for app folks.

There’s a few in there that probably wouldn’t be a catch today, especially Patten in SB36.

Edit: Wrong thread. Can a mod move this to the “What Is” thread?

Not sure what would be wrong with Patten's catch. To me he catches and controls the ball in the air and very clearly (from other highlights) lands and is down in bounds (arm and butt), then slides out of bounds while still controlling the ball. Unless I'm missing a bobble I've never seen, that's still a catch.

But thank you for the link

TomTerrific · Jan 14, 2018

pappymojo said:
Jeter still sucks.

Not until this weekend did I appreciate the degree to which Jeter is despised by Marlins fans down here in Miami.

kenneycb · Jan 14, 2018

If only Algee Crumpler has two mentions on that video. I also forgot how much I absolutely loved Jabar Gaffney for those couple of years.

54thMA · Jan 14, 2018

jayhoz said:
He's back.

Are you sure that's new footage as he's in the same get up as the last time we saw him, those pants are an abomination, the slippers too. Oh wait; the snacks are different this go round; should I assume that's his lucky outfit and it's been run through the wash since the Patriots game?

glasspusher · Jan 15, 2018

TomTerrific said:
Not until this weekend did I appreciate the degree to which Jeter is despised by Marlins fans down here in Miami.

Hey, that's great. He still has St Jetersburg by Tampa?

bosox188 · Jan 15, 2018

54thMA said:
Are you sure that's new footage as he's in the same get up as the last time we saw him, those pants are an abomination, the slippers too. Oh wait; the snacks are different this go round; should I assume that's his lucky outfit and it's been run through the wash since the Patriots game?

You probably shouldn't assume it's been run through the wash

54thMA · Jan 15, 2018

bosox188 said:
You probably shouldn't assume it's been run through the wash

I was afraid someone was going to say that and sadly, it's a spot on observation.

HowBoutDemSox · Jan 15, 2018

Lots of fun stats from this Ringer article, but this one was interesting: Brady is now the oldest starting quarterback to win a playoff game, passing Favre:

14,744: The number of days that Tom Brady—the football messiah/devil, depending on your allegiances—has been alive. Brady’s win on Saturday made him the oldest quarterback to ever win a playoff game, passing Brett Favre.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2018/1/14/16889762/patriots-titans-afc-divisional-round-tom-brady

Another good one:

12: The number of AFC Championship games the Patriots have made since the 2001 season. There are many ways to put the Patriots’ unprecedented stretch into perspective—seven Super Bowl appearances, five Super Bowl wins, and 15 division titles in 17 years—but their continuous presence in the AFC championship game each year is as impressive as anything outside of their five rings. The Pats have made the conference title game a dozen times since the 2001 season, while 28 NFL teams haven’t made the playoffs that many times since 2001.

BuellMiller · Jan 15, 2018

snowmanny said:
Not sure what would be wrong with Patten's catch. To me he catches and controls the ball in the air and very clearly (from other highlights) lands and is down in bounds (arm and butt), then slides out of bounds while still controlling the ball. Unless I'm missing a bobble I've never seen, that's still a catch.

But thank you for the link

Yeah, I think it was Patten's catch from Bledsoe in the AFCCG that could maybe have been disallowed (he doesn't seem to have control of the ball all the way through "surviving the ground"). But who knows what a catch is anymore, right?

Ed Hillel · Jan 15, 2018

BuellMiller said:
Yeah, I think it was Patten's catch from Bledsoe in the AFCCG that could maybe have been disallowed (he doesn't seem to have control of the ball all the way through "surviving the ground"). But who knows what a catch is anymore, right?

Definitely not a catch by today’s standards, but was a TD back then. That was the worst officiated game I remember the Pats being part of. Hochuli got probably ten calls wrong and half of them AFTER review. It was remarkable.

uk_sox_fan · Jan 15, 2018

Apologies if this has been mentioned here before - but I find the following to be probably the most incredible stat that defines the 21st Century Patriots.

In 2000 the Patriots were 5-11 in Belichick's 1st season as HC. They finished alone in 5th, meaning all four other AFC East teams had better records that year. Since then there hasn't been a single season when any AFC East team had a better record than the Patriots.

For 17 years in a row, the worst that has happened (twice) is that Pats had the same record as the division champ (tied with the Jets and Dolphins at 9-7 in 2002 and tied with the Dolphins at 11-5 in 2008 and in one year - 2001 - they tied the Dolphins at 11-5 and won the division by tie-breaker). In all other 14 years the Pats not only won the division, but did so outright - without the benefit of a tie-breaker: twice by 1 game, once by 2 games, twice by 3, 6 times by 4 games, twice by 5 and in 2007 by 9 games over the 2nd place Bills - that's an average of 3.2 games over the 2nd place team for 17 years.

8slim · Jan 15, 2018

Hendu for Kutch said:
I popped by a Steelers board after the game to drink it in a bit and they happened to have a thread about which team the members hated most. Every single #1 answer was New England. All of them. It has reached the level of Boston's feelings toward the Yankees 15 years ago. It seems to color everything their fans (and even some players) say and do. 100% in their heads and I, for one, am glad they won't get the chance to 2004 us next week.

The obsession is so strange to me. It is not like pre-2004 Sox/Yankees. Since the Pats began their run in 2001 the Steelers have been in 3 Super Bowls and won 2. It’s not like the franchise has been unable to win the big one, always denied by the Pats. I get that the Steelers are 0-3 in the playoffs vs the Pats since ‘01, but at the same time the Pats are 0-2 vs the Giants and it’s not like fans are obsessed with them.

BigSoxFan · Jan 15, 2018

8slim said:
The obsession is so strange to me. It is not like pre-2004 Sox/Yankees. Since the Pats began their run in 2001 the Steelers have been in 3 Super Bowls and won 2. It’s not like the franchise has been unable to win the big one, always denied by the Pats. I get that the Steelers are 0-3 in the playoffs vs the Pats since ‘01, but at the same time the Pats are 0-2 vs the Giants and it’s not like fans are obsessed with them.

Pats fans aren’t obsessed with the Giants but if 2014/2016 didn’t happen, I think the collective butthurt would still be quite strong.

8slim · Jan 15, 2018

BigSoxFan said:
Pats fans aren’t obsessed with the Giants but if 2014/2016 didn’t happen, I think the collective butthurt would still be quite strong.

I guess, but the Steelers won a SB in 2008 after the AFCCG losses in 2001 and 2004. Why are they still so crazed?

BaseballJones · Jan 15, 2018

BigSoxFan said:
Pats fans aren’t obsessed with the Giants but if 2014/2016 didn’t happen, I think the collective butthurt would still be quite strong.

Well that and the Pats don't play the Giants very often. They seem to play the Steelers every year, so it just keeps coming up.

BigSoxFan · Jan 15, 2018

8slim said:
I guess, but the Steelers won a SB in 2008 after the AFCCG losses in 2001 and 2004. Why are they still so crazed?

Not a Steelers fan so can’t really speak to their mindset but my guess is the following:

1. They’ve always viewed themselves as the gold standard due to Count Da Ringz. But Brady’s ownership of that franchise is a huge blemish on that position.

2. They thought their 2001/2004 teams were vastly superior to the Patriots teams they lost to.

3. If it weren’t for the Pats, they probably would be the franchise that everyone fawns over. Pats probably stole at least 2 titles from them.

Mystic Merlin · Jan 15, 2018

8slim said:
I guess, but the Steelers won a SB in 2008 after the AFCCG losses in 2001 and 2004. Why are they still so crazed?

The Pats play them far more frequently than the Pats play the Giants (five times in eleven seasons), the Pats get the most media exposure/adulation and there's a sense of generational entitlement to the mantle of model AFC franchise that the Patriots have threatened.

In sum, we're constantly a barrier to a Super Bowl berth and they're not used to looking up to another football team in the conference.

DJnVa · Jan 15, 2018

It's the threat to the whole "We got 6 ringz!! Do you?" thing.

staz · Jan 15, 2018

DrewDawg said:
It's the threat to the whole "We got 6 ringz!! Do you?" thing.

This is absolutely the case. I know plenty of Steeler fans who play the “Sixburgh” card the moment someone criticizes the team, however slight. And this past weekend brought them 2 steps closer to their Football Armageddon: losing sole possession of the “Greatest Franchise” mantle - all on their watch.

tims4wins · Jan 15, 2018

staz said:
This is absolutely the case. I know plenty of Steeler fans who play the “Sixburgh” card the moment someone criticizes the team, however slight. And this past weekend brought them 2 steps closer to their Football Armageddon: losing sole possession of the “Greatest Franchise” mantle - all on their watch.

I believe if the Pats win it all they will also tie for all time playoff wins.

reggiecleveland · Jan 15, 2018

DrewDawg said:
It's the threat to the whole "We got 6 ringz!! Do you?" thing.

That is part, to be honest, why I don't want the Lakers to win.

Boston Brawler · Jan 15, 2018

tims4wins said:
I believe if the Pats win it all they will also tie for all time playoff wins.

Yes both franchises would have 36 playoff wins

Soxy · Jan 15, 2018

BigSoxFan said:
They thought their 2001/2004 teams were vastly superior to the Patriots teams they lost to.

Wait, is this a thing? Definitely 2001, and even Pats fans will acknowledge that fact. But they can't seriously believe that about 2004. The Pats were road favorites in that AFC title game. I could see an arguement that the Steelers were actually better, as they finished with a better regular season record and had beaten the Pats earlier in the season. They'd be wrong, but the argument could me made, I guess. But anyone who thinks that 2004 Steelers team was "vastly superior" to the 2004 Pats is on drugs.

tims4wins · Jan 15, 2018

Soxy Brown said:
Wait, is this a thing? Definitely 2001, and even Pats fans will acknowledge that fact. But they can't seriously believe that about 2004. The Pats were road favorites in that AFC title game. I could see an arguement that the Steelers were actually better, as they finished with a better regular season record and had beaten the Pats earlier in the season. They'd be wrong, but the argument could me made, I guess. But anyone who thinks that 2004 Steelers team was "vastly superior" to the 2004 Pats is on drugs.

I wouldn't acknowledge 2001. Talk about a paper tiger team. Their QB was Kordell Stewart.

wiffleballhero · Jan 15, 2018

reggiecleveland said:
That is part, to be honest, why I don't want the Lakers to win.

I only exercise and eat properly because I hold out hope for seeing the Sox catch the Yankees 27 WS titles. The run of 19 straight is gonna be wicked!

Deathofthebambino · Jan 15, 2018

BuellMiller said:
Yeah, I think it was Patten's catch from Bledsoe in the AFCCG that could maybe have been disallowed (he doesn't seem to have control of the ball all the way through "surviving the ground"). But who knows what a catch is anymore, right?

There is one touchdown there that definitely wouldn't be under today's rules. May have been one of Givens, but the receiver catches it in the back of the end zone, and the two refs come together, and they rule he was pushed out of bounds, so it's a TD. Under current rules, if you are pushed out of bounds and don't get both feet down, it is not a catch.

Leather · Jan 15, 2018

reggiecleveland said:
That is part, to be honest, why I don't want the Lakers to win.

The Minneapolis ones don’t count. That’s some bullshit.

Soxy · Jan 15, 2018

tims4wins said:
I wouldn't acknowledge 2001. Talk about a paper tiger team. Their QB was Kordell Stewart.

Eh, it's not like that Pats team was loaded either. It took two return TDs to beat that Kordell Stewart-led team. I think if those teams play 10 times, Pats win maybe 2-3 of them, 4 tops. They were big underdogs for a reason. Steelers were better all year, Pats just made more big plays in that game. Of course, who knows how it goes if Brady doesn't get hurt. Bledsoe threw the TD and had a big 3rd down conversion, but otherwise was pretty mediocre.

tims4wins · Jan 15, 2018

I hear what you are saying, but in retrospect, the Pats actually scored more points than the Steelers that year, and which defense would you take? We didn’t know Vrabel and Bruschi and Seymour were stars in 2001 but they turned out to be.

BigSoxFan · Jan 15, 2018

Soxy Brown said:
Wait, is this a thing? Definitely 2001, and even Pats fans will acknowledge that fact. But they can't seriously believe that about 2004. The Pats were road favorites in that AFC title game. I could see an arguement that the Steelers were actually better, as they finished with a better regular season record and had beaten the Pats earlier in the season. They'd be wrong, but the argument could me made, I guess. But anyone who thinks that 2004 Steelers team was "vastly superior" to the 2004 Pats is on drugs.

I think that’s always a thing with Steelers fans, at least in the interactions I’ve had. Definitely in 2001 but less so in 2004. The Steelers went 15-1 that year and beat the Patriots pretty good in their matchup. It’s tapered off in recent years after Brady snatched the GOAT label from Montana so now the Patriots are basically just cheaters to them.

InstaFace · Jan 15, 2018

drleather2001 said:
The Minneapolis ones don’t count. That’s some bullshit.

How about the 1903 World Series for the Boston Americans? Have you been counting that one?

nighthob · Jan 16, 2018

Were the Boston Americans playing their home games in Boston, New York?

Papelbon's Poutine · Jan 16, 2018

Both are reaching a bit. It’s still the same franchise in both cases. The Colts still get their 71 title. And if the Boston Patriots had won a title, I doubt we’d be arguing it shouldn’t count.

Anthologos · Jan 16, 2018

Edit: forgot they met last year. Wow.

JoePoulson · Jan 16, 2018

Anthologos said:
Yet, as has been noted, the teams haven't met for all the marbles since Jan 2005.

They met in the AFC title game last year. But yes before that was 2005 but I think the regular season beatings have helped as well.

loshjott · Jan 16, 2018

Who do Pats fans hate the most? Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Broncos, Giants is a representative list. None of them won a playoff game this season.

crossdog · Jan 16, 2018

loshjott said:
Who do Pats fans hate the most? Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Broncos, Giants is a representative list. None of them won a playoff game this season.

Ravens. Do not like the Steelers because they are to chippy but not a real threat.

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