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Have you been around anyone who's suffered the results of that violence? Either on their bodies or minds? Free will and all, but I'm increasingly thinking there should be a lot of controls.
Well this is a big part of it for me. These guys know the risks. No one is forcing Matt Moore to play in the NFL. This isn't the 1980s where he doesn't know concussions are bad. He is assuming the risks of being on the field. I'm not going to sit here and worry about his personal safety.
 

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aside from the annual NFC South representative this is the worst playoff team I've ever seen. That includes yesterdays non Seahawks teams. What do the Dolphins do at even an average level?
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

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The Steelers do as good a job as anyone except the Ravens of preventing the offense from getting back to the huddle. They stay on the ground, keep their legs on top of offensive players, and paw at the ball. It's really effective with a 40 second play clock instead of a ready for play 25 second clock.

Miami is constantly late to the line, and it matters. They are always scrambling.
 

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Well this is a big part of it for me. These guys know the risks. No one is forcing Matt Moore to play in the NFL. This isn't the 1980s where he doesn't know concussions are bad. He is assuming the risks of being on the field. I'm not going to sit here and worry about his personal safety.
He's playing under a regime where he's supposed to be protected. Also, that's pretty much a screw the world logic. Cops. Soldiers. Addicts.
 

DJnVa

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Twice inside the 40 and 2 bad fumbles because Moore carries the ball like an asshole.
 

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If we are 100% concerned about player safety, then the block by Floyd last week needs to be outlawed. I haven't looked in last week's game thread, but did everyone have this much concern over player safety after he laid out Lippett?
 

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Well this is a big part of it for me. These guys know the risks. No one is forcing Matt Moore to play in the NFL. This isn't the 1980s where he doesn't know concussions are bad. He is assuming the risks of being on the field. I'm not going to sit here and worry about his personal safety.
You're the guy who stopped going to the Coliseum in the 5th century when they banned the munera, since what's the point if the losers don't die ?
 

DJnVa

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If we are 100% concerned about player safety, then the block by Floyd last week needs to be outlawed. I haven't looked in last week's game thread, but did everyone have this much concern over player safety after he laid out Lippett?
The difference is we're debating a hit here that looks like it was illegal, whereas the Floyd one was completely legal.

The first step is calling the illegal ones.
 

koufax32

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With a basic understanding of situational awareness MIA could reasonably be within a few points or tied here.
Then Bell happens...
 

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The Steelers do as good a job as anyone except the Ravens of preventing the offense from getting back to the huddle. They stay on the ground, keep their legs on top of offensive players, and paw at the ball. It's really effective with a 40 second play clock instead of a ready for play 25 second clock.

Miami is constantly late to the line, and it matters. They are always scrambling.
I never considered this part of the game. Thanks.
 

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Is judgment/reaction under pressure a sign that he might be concussed?
I don't know. I'm upset at the moment so I'm sure I'm being a bit harsh, but it's also not in Moore's DNA to tuck and take a sack. Not doing the safe thing is pretty much his default setting, it's why some Dolphins fans always preferred him to Tannehill.
 

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This steelers team isn't winning next week. Kansas City won't hand turnovers repeatedly like Miami is doing
 

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So if Dupree has a player with elite athleticism like Bell lined up for a big hit, slows down and allows the runner to side step him and run for a touchdown, then what? It's a fundamentally different game if it's not played at full speed. Big hits are part of the game and a fun part of the game to watch. It's unfortunate when they involve the head and I salute the league for taking out the most egregious ones ( like the old Brandon Merriweather leave your feet kill shots on a WR). But I just don't have a huge problem with hits like this one. It's one player running into another and it's unfortunate that there was head to chin. I like football for many reasons. Big violent hits are one of them. They aren't ever going to go away completely and nor should they. If hits like this bother people this much then maybe they just shouldn't watch football. There are other options.
This is weak sauce.

How about if players use proper technique and lead with the shoulder while wrapping up instead of going for the helmet shot with no attempt to wrap up?
 

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This is weak sauce.

How about if players use proper technique and lead with the shoulder while wrapping up instead of going for the helmet shot with no attempt to wrap up?
If you make it a 15-yard penalty for the ball carrier to stiff arm a tackling player in the back, more defenders will tackle in a fundamentally sound way, as rugby players do. Until then, players will continue to lead with their head, because proper tackling puts them at a competitive disadvantage (unless you've got a chance to size up a defenseless target, like Earl Thomas did to Gronk).
 

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The difference is we're debating a hit here that looks like it was illegal, whereas the Floyd one was completely legal.

The first step is calling the illegal ones.
So now we're concerned with rules and not the player's humanity? Got it. If Lippett develops CTE, he can be at ease knowing it was a legal hit.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

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I view big hits differently depending on context. A QB to throw a football needs to put himself in a totally exposed position, just like Moore on that second hit. Same with receivers. To do your job in a correct and entertaining way, you are at risk of severe bodily injury. I find this quite different from middle of the field hits by players expecting contact.

Punts and kick offs are a problem too and require protection, because unlike line of scrimmage plays you are making a running start to full contact.

A play like the Floyd play is in a middle area. You set rules, and identify correct technique and zones in the front of the body where you can hit, because it's hard to throw flags for it looks bad without making players unable to play.