tOSU-Michigan Game Thread

twibnotes · Nov 28, 2016

Marciano490 said:
No anger is saying that was a bad call, but we weren't the better team on that day and we deserved to lose because we still messed up x, y and z. Even Pats fans can mostly do that in game threads.

I generally agree, but we're talking about a game that literally came down to an inch. Hard to argue the massive inconsistency on PI calls wasn't a factor.

I'm not even fired up anymore - I just think it's objectively false to say refs can't impact games. It's a belief we drum into ourselves bc we want to believe sports is a rare place where the playing field is truly even. It's just not accurate.

I'm sure if we dig up the gamethread from the phantom knoblauch tag game, we will find plenty of "whining."

dhappy42 · Nov 28, 2016

Rick Burlesons Yam Bag said:
My uncle went to OSU med and was one of the top pediatric urologists in the US...

And yet, you're still a childish dick.

Marciano490 · Nov 28, 2016

twibnotes said:
I generally agree, but we're talking about a game that literally came down to an inch. Hard to argue the massive inconsistency on PI calls wasn't a factor.

I'm not even fired up anymore - I just think it's objectively false to say refs can't impact games. It's a belief we drum into ourselves bc we want to believe sports is a rare place where the playing field is truly even. It's just not accurate.

I'm sure if we dig up the gamethread from the phantom knoblauch tag game, we will find plenty of "whining."

Nobody is saying refs don't affect games. As an athlete, I'd say yeah the call sucked but we had plenty of chances to win before and after and couldn't and stop there. I'd expect the same of fans. I certainly wouldn't go on about being the better team nor would I act like 70 minutes of football came down to one play.

twibnotes · Nov 28, 2016

Marciano490 said:
Nobody is saying refs don't affect games. As an athlete, I'd say yeah the call sucked but we had plenty of chances to win before and after and couldn't and stop there. I'd expect the same of fans. I certainly wouldn't go on about being the better team nor would I act like 70 minutes of football came down to one play.

You make a case for why Harbaugh should have been more disciplined in his remarks, but we are yammering (pun intended) on a sports blog.

I'm an angry Michigan fan who thinks we wuz robbed. Call it what you want.

dhappy42 · Nov 28, 2016

Marciano490 said:
No anger is saying that was a bad call, but we weren't the better team on that day and we deserved to lose because we still messed up x, y and z. Even Pats fans can mostly do that in game threads.

Oh, Michigan definitely messed up x,y, and z... and was still the better team on Saturday and would have won the game if the refs didn't blow the 4th down call. The OSU team is probably a little bit better in general, though I don't know which team would stack up best against Alabama or Clemson. I think the 2-3 Ohio-Michigan ranking was pretty accurate (3-4 might be more accurate) and that if Michigan had won the game it'd have been a small upset.

To be honest, I'm not even angry that Michigan lost. I am, as I've said, puzzled that the Big 10 assigns games to hometown refs, especially hometown refs who've been banned before. And I'm definitely enjoying the argument over the missed blatant DPI in OT and the blown 4th-and-one spot. As I've also said, I expect those kinds of shenanigans when Michigan plays away at Ohio or MSU. (Before the game, I told my 18-year-old son that Michigan would need to outplay Ohio by 10 points because the home field advantage was worth at least 7.) The faux "indignation" over Harbaugh's behavior is even funnier. Seriously, we're talking about people who worship Woody Hayes complaining about sideline decorum and post-game manners.

twibnotes · Nov 28, 2016

Rick Burlesons Yam Bag said:
Dude. This is the second time you asked me about my life. Read the first time.

That post was confusing as hell. Like Faulkner after a concussion. Best I can tell is that your father is from New England.

Edit: plus I think you said you're an eagles fan. Far as I know you could be one of the non Sox fans on the site

doc · Nov 28, 2016

twibnotes said:
That post was confusing as hell. Like Faulkner after a concussion. Best I can tell is that your father is from New England.

Sometimes that's all any of us really know.

twibnotes · Nov 28, 2016

dhappy42 said:
The faux "indignation" over Harbaugh's behavior is even funnier. Seriously, we're talking about people who worship Woody Hayes complaining about sideline decorum and post-game manners.

They've moved on though. Current coach never misbehaves.

dhappy42 · Nov 28, 2016

Marciano490 said:
Nobody is saying refs don't affect games. As an athlete, I'd say yeah the call sucked but we had plenty of chances to win before and after and couldn't and stop there. I'd expect the same of fans. I certainly wouldn't go on about being the better team nor would I act like 70 minutes of football came down to one play.

If I were a player, that's exactly what I'd say. But I'm not a player. I'm a fan having fun arguing that the refs robbed my team.

And the fact is that the game was decided by one lousy call. If the refs had spotted the ball correctly, game over, Michigan wins.

Marciano490 · Nov 28, 2016

dhappy42 said:
If I were a player, that's exactly what I'd say. But I'm not a player. I'm a fan having fun arguing that the refs robbed my team.

And the fact is that the game was decided by one lousy call. If the refs had spotted the ball correctly, game over, Michigan wins.

So Michigan is your team?

dhappy42 · Nov 28, 2016

I apologize for the vulgar wisecrack.

I should leave the personal attacks and dick jokes to Yammer.

trotsplits · Nov 28, 2016

twibnotes said:
They've moved on though. Current coach never misbehaves.

No current coach never through his headset on Saturday. Oh..wait.

Ale Xander · Nov 28, 2016

Game's been over for more than 48 hours. time to move on to a different thread, people.

dhappy42 · Nov 28, 2016

Ale Xander said:
Game's been over for more than 48 hours. time to move on to a different thread, people.

Go right ahead. No one is stopping you.

kenneycb · Nov 28, 2016

Marciano490 said:
I think his point was more that it's like BU and BC having the same debate while MIT and Harvard kids look on.

As a BC and UM alum I should be more angry at this post than I am. Damn self realization of my personal shortcomings.

Marciano490 · Nov 28, 2016

kenneycb said:
As a BC and UM alum I should be more angry at this post than I am. Damn self realization of my personal shortcomings.

I took five years to graduate BU, brother, it was a self-loathing post.

trotsplits · Nov 29, 2016

Rick Burlesons Yam Bag said:
Great sentence writing there, chief.

Yeah, Urban basically shot putting his headset backwards is just like Harbaugh literally smashing his headset right next to the ref and throwing his play sheet onto the field.

They did the same thing. In the same game. But Harbaugh broke his. Got it. Harbaugh's script was also tossed toward his bench and not the field. Which, you know, is a foul in basketball (as he was reminded by the B1G's finest). Maybe if Harbaugh ran out on the field and sprinted from one end of his sideline to the other waving his arms around like a moron, that would be acceptable. Or he could just punch a player.

It's your narrative and I'm only trying to work within it. I'd love to share some or your exclusive moral high ground. After all, nothing says moral high ground like Urban Meyer and Ohio State Football. Share the land, brother.

dhappy42 · Nov 29, 2016

How did a team that averages 7 penalties and -52 penalty yards per game all of a sudden become so disciplined and only commit two penalties for -6 yards total?

BigSoxFan · Nov 29, 2016

dhappy42 said:
Go right ahead. No one is stopping you.

Kind of like the Michigan defense when it matters, amirite?

Old Fart Tree · Nov 29, 2016

If you thought this was bad DO NOT go into the Stanford-Rice thread. Fools got heated.

Soxfan in Fla · Nov 29, 2016

dhappy42 said:
30-27, obviously. Just as obviously, the better team didn't win. Happens sometimes, especially when the inferior team is playing at home and the refs are homers.

It also happens when you can't get a single first down in the 4th quarter. It also happens when you give up a pick 6, a pick returned inside the 10 and fumble basically on your own goal line.

Soxfan in Fla · Nov 29, 2016

Marciano490 said:
Is it an accepted fact now that the spot was incorrect?

Only in the feeble minds of Walmart Wolverine fans. Wah, the refs screwed us. No, you screwed yourselves by not getting a first down when it mattered. The minute you rely on the refs to win a game for you, something they admittedly have done often over the years, you set yourself up to lose. Try not playing like complete dogshit in the 4th quarter of a game you largely dominated for 3 quarters. Dumb asses. Oh yeah, the evidence is obvious. He made the 15 yard line.

trotsplits · Nov 29, 2016

Soxfan in Fla said:
Only in the feeble minds of Walmart Wolverine

The MSU fan reveals himself. He doesn't have much going on until the annual Tom Izzo excuses begin.

twibnotes · Nov 29, 2016

Soxfan in Fla said:
Only in the feeble minds of Walmart Wolverine fans. Wah, the refs screwed us. No, you screwed yourselves by not getting a first down when it mattered. The minute you rely on the refs to win a game for you, something they admittedly have done often over the years, you set yourself up to lose. Try not playing like complete dogshit in the 4th quarter of a game you largely dominated for 3 quarters. Dumb asses. Oh yeah, the evidence is obvious. He made the 15 yard line.

Not sure why this is hard for you to understand: we don't play for the team. We are fans bitching about a very poorly officiated game.

When you say the "evidence is obvious" on the spot, you show your bias bc on no planet was that obvious. In fact, I'm fine calling it a coin flip that naturally went OSU's way. I have a bigger issue with the fact that the zebras called Mich for two PIs that were perfectly replicated by the Buckeyes (one was even worse) with no call. The two non-PI calls (one in OT) were huge calls.

twibnotes · Nov 29, 2016

I think the evidence speaks for itself, but regardless of whether one thinks the game was poorly officiated, I hope we can agree that these types of games should not have residents from the reflective states officiating the game. The Big Ten has plenty of refs they can use, and this shouldn't happen.

Soxfan in Fla · Nov 29, 2016

trotsplits said:
The MSU fan reveals himself. He doesn't have much going on until the annual Tom Izzo excuses begin.

Yup. Not much going on. Only won 11 games 5 out of 6 years before this year, and wiped the floor with you clowns 7 out of 8 before this tire fire of a season. By the way, what Dantonio accomplished before this season is something Bo the overrated Boob never accomplished.

twibnotes · Nov 29, 2016

Soxfan in Fla said:
Yup. Not much going on. Only won 11 games 5 out of 6 years before this year, and wiped the floor with you clowns 7 out of 8 before this tire fire of a season. By the way, what Dantonio accomplished before this season is something Bo the overrated Boob never accomplished.

Dantonio is a great coach; I have a ton of respect for what he has done with you guys. That said, Brady Hoke is gone - no more 7 of 8.

dhappy42 · Nov 29, 2016

It's only a matter of time before this thread degenerates into "How does a MSU grad get into Michigan Medical School?" jokes.

dhappy42 · Nov 29, 2016

twibnotes said:
I think the evidence speaks for itself, but regardless of whether one thinks the game was poorly officiated, I hope we can agree that these types of games should not have residents from the reflective states officiating the game. The Big Ten has plenty of refs they can use, and this shouldn't happen.

No, let's not talk about the three hometown refs. Or about how a team that averaged 7/52 yards in penalties a game suddenly managed to commit just 2/6. Or about how nearly every media story about the game questioned the OT spot. All that stuff is just in the heads of whiny Wolverine fans.

kenneycb · Nov 29, 2016

The OT spot was not getting overturned regardless of whether it was a 1st down or the end of the game. Pretty clear there was no indisputable video evidence to go either way, at least in a review that wouldn't take 45 minutes. Get the fuck over it. The Ohio ref things is laughable too.

trotsplits · Nov 29, 2016

Soxfan in Fla said:
Yup. Not much going on. Only won 11 games 5 out of 6 years before this year, and wiped the floor with you clowns 7 out of 8 before this tire fire of a season. By the way, what Dantonio accomplished before this season is something Bo the overrated Boob never accomplished.

I thought only UM football lived in the past? That was a go-to for you guys whenever we reminded you of our win% against MSU and, well, everyone else.

trotsplits · Nov 29, 2016

kenneycb said:
The Ohio ref things is laughable too.

Why is it laughable? Serious question.

kenneycb · Nov 29, 2016

Because they're professional referees who aren't going to let some dumbass rivalry get in the way of a decent chunk of extra change they get ($3,000 per game per a quick and dirty Google). People can be objective even if they are from the same place as a given team. Wild concept, I know. It's another example of the wholehearted pettiness many are exhibiting. When you start going after the hometowns of refs, you're desperate.

trotsplits · Nov 29, 2016

dhappy42 said:
It's only a matter of time before this thread degenerates into "How does a MSU grad get into Michigan Medical School?" jokes.

I'm waiting for the punchline. So many possibilities..

Zososoxfan · Nov 29, 2016

twibnotes said:
Not sure why this is hard for you to understand: we don't play for the team. We are fans bitching about a very poorly officiated game.

When you say the "evidence is obvious" on the spot, you show your bias bc on no planet was that obvious. In fact, I'm fine calling it a coin flip that naturally went OSU's way. I have a bigger issue with the fact that the zebras called Mich for two PIs that were perfectly replicated by the Buckeyes (one was even worse) with no call. The two non-PI calls (one in OT) were huge calls.

twibnotes said:
I think the evidence speaks for itself, but regardless of whether one thinks the game was poorly officiated, I hope we can agree that these types of games should not have residents from the reflective states officiating the game. The Big Ten has plenty of refs they can use, and this shouldn't happen.

Not to belabor the point, but I don't think most UM fans (dhappy excluded) are arguing the spot as much, I'm certainly not. That was a close play and my biggest gripe with it was the fact that there was no measurement, not the resulting first down. It was close enough to be a legitimate error. However, Twib hits the reffing issues on the nose above - the disparity on DPI and holding calls throughout the game were a much bigger issue. And while I find the fact that Ohioans previously banned from reffing were reffing this game disconcerting, their mistakes also stem from the fact that the Big10 is too cheap to professionalize refs full time. Considering how much money comes out of the sport, that's pretty shocking.

trotsplits · Nov 29, 2016

kenneycb said:
Because they're professional referees who aren't going to let some dumbass rivalry get in the way of a decent chunk of extra change they get ($3,000 per game per a quick and dirty Google). People can be objective even if they are from the same place as a given team.

I'm sure he likes money and calling the game for his favorite tackle football team. It's also a a departure from past practice. This guy ended up on the field after all:

'Schwarzel was an Ohio State fan growing up, and said he was excited to be on the field for the Ohio State/Texas game, which featured (at the time) the top-ranked team in the country against the second-ranked team.

His crew worked the Ohio State/Michigan game this fall, which also featured the two top-ranked teams at the time, but Schwarzel was not allowed to work the huge game because he is from Ohio.

Zososoxfan · Nov 29, 2016

Obvious hold by OSU #83 on UM #26 on the 3rd and long play preceding the controversial 4th and short.

https://gifs.com/gif/2016-michigan-at-ohio-state-2nd-half-zmQ62m

Also, no idea how this went uncalled in the 1Q:

Late hit on defenseless player:

Hold/Facemask, take your pick, uncalled:

trotsplits · Nov 29, 2016

Rick Burlesons Yam Bag said:
They are one of the top rated officiating crews in college football. The thought that someone who is from the Cincinnati area is incapable of reffing a game involving an Ohio school is beyond laughable.

If you say so. But we aren't just talking about any school. We're talking about The Ohio State University.

Zososoxfan · Nov 29, 2016

trotsplits said:
I'm sure he likes money and calling the game for his favorite tackle football team. It's also a a departure from past practice. This guy ended up on the field after all:

'Schwarzel was an Ohio State fan growing up, and said he was excited to be on the field for the Ohio State/Texas game, which featured (at the time) the top-ranked team in the country against the second-ranked team.

His crew worked the Ohio State/Michigan game this fall, which also featured the two top-ranked teams at the time, but Schwarzel was not allowed to work the huge game because he is from Ohio.

The lead official, Daniel Capron, was fired from the Big Ten back in 2002 for gross incompetence.

The side judge, Bobby Sagars, is in the Ohio High School Hall of Fame. On one play, after Mike Weber threw the ball at Sagars in frustration, the referee actually responded by patting Weber on the ass. Later, he was seen with a huge smile on his face after Ohio State scored a touchdown.

FL4WL3SS · Nov 29, 2016

Zososoxfan said:
Obvious hold by OSU #83 on UM #26 on the 3rd and long play preceding the controversial 4th and short.

https://gifs.com/gif/2016-michigan-at-ohio-state-2nd-half-zmQ62m

Also, no idea how this went uncalled in the 1Q:

Late hit on defenseless player:

Hold/Facemask, take your pick, uncalled:

Holy shit, can you please waste more of your day and dig up more game footage?

I mean, I sort of get it, UM hasn't beaten OSU in eons and they finally had a chance to slay the big bad dragon. Except you fell short, so now you have to hold onto any glimmer of hope that you're as good as the big brother from the south.

It's pathetic, really, but also cute in a way. I just want to squeeze your cheeks and give you a quarter to buy a piece of gum.

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