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Huge addition to an already lights out back of the bullpen. Great job by Cashman laying in the weeds on this.
 

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Girardi never really trusted Wilson, now he will have three guys he completely trusts, all of whom can go four or five outs if needed.

They definitely still need to find a second reliable righty, though, to replace Warren's spot. Bryan Mitchell will probably get first crack at this, assuming Cashman doesn't plan on trading for Papelbon as his 6th inning guy. :)
 

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Being the Blue Jays must suck.

Great move for the Yankees, assuming you don't care about the domestic violence, but anyone think that is amusing that in some ways the Yankees are emulating the Royals?
 

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They're still only 3 guys, though, and the other 4 bullpen spots are pretty big question marks currently.
 

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So on MLBTR it says if he is suspended for more than 45 days in 2016 he won't hit six years of service time next year.
Which means Joe Torre will suspend him for 46 days and the MFY will have Miller/Chapman/Betances through 2017.
 

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Big drop off after them though. KC's is still deeper IMO and just as unhittable usually even if th top end can't exactly touch these NY guys.

Still a great pickup. That sucks.
Aroldis Chapman though is like acquiring two relief pitchers. They can throw him 100 innings and for multiple 2-inning stints. If they are smart about things, they can give these three guys nearly all the high leverage spots.
 

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Aroldis Chapman though is like acquiring two relief pitchers. They can throw him 100 innings and for multiple 2-inning stints. If they are smart about things, they can give these three guys nearly all the high leverage spots.
He hasn't even hit 70 innings since 2012, and he had only a handful of games where he went more than three outs last year. I do think this frees up Miller to pitch longer outings earlier in the game, but if they can't find another guy or two to be at least somewhat reliable, the bullpen isn't going to be as much of a strength as everyone seems to expect now.
 

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Aroldis Chapman though is like acquiring two relief pitchers. They can throw him 100 innings and for multiple 2-inning stints. If they are smart about things, they can give these three guys nearly all the high leverage spots.
And that's what matters. The guys at the back end of the bullpen generally only get themselves thrown in blowouts or games where a starter inexplicably blows up, which really don't happen that often. Close or influential games are more often going to involve/rely on the ridiculous Miller/Betances/Chapman trio.
 

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He hasn't even hit 70 innings since 2012, and he had only a handful of games where he went more than three outs last year. I do think this frees up Miller to pitch longer outings earlier in the game, but if they can't find another guy or two to be at least somewhat reliable, the bullpen isn't going to be as much of a strength as everyone seems to expect now.
Well, that is because the Reds have been using him as the closer. I believe he has the ability to go longer and for more innings for the year, obviously I could be wrong. The nice thing is, let's say if is a 4-4 game in the top of the 6th, we could see the Yankees bringing in Chapman or Miller or heck even Betances for two innings. That gives the Yankees four lockdown innings in a game, where the other time is possibly throwing their 5th option in the bullpen during the 6th inning.
 

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Just an insanely good deal for the Yankees.

Jagielo might hit, but he seems to have lost whatever athleticism he had, and has no chance of playing anywhere but 1B, and he was way behind Bird at 1B, Davis is a good prospect, but it is so hard for a young pitcher in that spotlight, unless you are exceptional. So he was probably trade bait at some point either way
 

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He hasn't even hit 70 innings since 2012, and he had only a handful of games where he went more than three outs last year. I do think this frees up Miller to pitch longer outings earlier in the game, but if they can't find another guy or two to be at least somewhat reliable, the bullpen isn't going to be as much of a strength as everyone seems to expect now.
If they make it to the playoffs, that won't be a factor.
 

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Rumors are that Cashman and the Steinbrenners are burning the phones trying to sign this power righty to balance the bullpen


 

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John Smoltz just chose the Yankees to win the AL East on MLBN based on this acquisition. I am encouraged, since I can't remember one time that the pre-season predictions on MLBN have proven right.
 

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What an absolute slam dunk of a trade on the sportive side for New York. They give up four minor leaguers who are not on any top 100 prospect list (correct me if I am wrong) and get the best reliever in the game. If I was NY, I would hope that Chapman gets a suspension for more than 45 games. If they get circa 1.5 years of Chapman plus a draft pick at the end of his contract for those four minor leaguers: wow.

The big variable of this is his potential suspension. But sport society has a bad memory so I guess if the Yankees use their marketing to tell people in 2016 how Chapman has done everything to be a better person, this thing will be forgotten very quickly.

In general I am not a supporter of any sport league/union suspending players because of things they have done wrong in their private life. Sport professionals should not be handled differently than other employees. There are laws and if you do something illegal you'll be punished in court and that's it. In some cases you'll lose your job, if you miss significant time in prison. If a professional tennis player would be charged with domestic violence, convicted or not, the ATP wouldn't do a thing. The player would pay the price or go to prison and return immediately to the tennis court (maybe some tournaments would't invite him anymore if he is not a notable player). The same is correct for every european football league: let tribunal set a punishment if a player is found guilty and that's it.

I applaud the Yankees for apparently looking at this more rationally than others. On the other side, Reds fans should be fuming for getting Peraza and a bunch of unheralded prospects for Frazier and Chapman. So should Joey Votto and the rest of the Reds team.
 

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I applaud the Yankees for apparently looking at this more rationally than others.
Yeah, let's applaud the Yankees for being willing employ a scumbag who beat up a woman. What a rational, admirable thing to do. GJGE.
 

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You guys know we had Julio Lugo and Wil Cordero for a number of years, yea? And probably a shit ton more of wife beaters back when it was considered sport to rough up your lady if she got out of line.
 

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You guys know we had Julio Lugo and Wil Cordero for a number of years, yea? And probably a shit ton more of wife beaters back when it was considered sport to rough up your lady if she got out of line.
I don't recall anyone celebrating the fact that the Sox were able to acquire those players cheaply precisely because of their domestic violence issues, which renders your analogies inapt.

I originally read sf121's post and thought he went a bit overboard. Then I read the entirety of the post he was responding to and realized that he was right.

This is a smart baseball move for the Yankees. But positioning domestic violence allegations as some sort of new market inefficiency - which is what Pinchrunner#2 did - is inappropriate and I'm glad this was noted.
 

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[...] On the other side, Reds fans should be fuming for getting Peraza and a bunch of unheralded prospects for Frazier and Chapman. So should Joey Votto and the rest of the Reds team.
Seriously. The Cincinnati "rebuild" effort has got to be the worst effort to date among all those teams that are purposely tanking. They hold off to the players too long, then get returns that for the most part, look quite terrible (for now at least). Only a year or so ago they were giving away good prospects for freaking Marlon Byrd. Next to this, the Braves (and the Phillies now) look like geniuses. Granted, the Chapman issue kind of came out of nowhere, but still. In that division, they may be in trouble for a long, long time. How do they not put Votto on the table at this point (and eat half the contract)?
 

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It should be viewed as a positive thing that it's no longer acceptable to do this sort of thing or to welcome players who do. Comparing the Yankees' or Cowboys' actions today to the low standard that used to be prevalent when it came to hiring abusers and wife beaters isn't particularly relevant.

This isn't some brilliant move. It's a pretty despicable one and it sends a terrible message. Hopefully this blows right up in their faces – not because it's the Yankees but because they are in the wrong here.
 

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It works out even more for the Yankees because, unlike the Nats who displaced Storen with a worse option who was going to bitch in a set up role, neither Betances nor Miller are going to raise a fuss about needing to hand their duties over to Chapman. They now have two guys they can use to put out fires in the late innings without needing to keep it at strictly 7th and 8th inning duties (or even earlier if they choose).

One thing to keep an eye on is that Chapman was the 4th least pitch efficient pitcher in baseball at 17.6 per inning. I followed him pretty closely last year and he's wild and gives up a ton of foul balls. Granted he was in a tough division, but those lineups he'll be dealing with are going to be thicker. It's a nitpick, but I don't think he's a slam dunk to dominate on the same level since those high stress innings could catch up to him.
 
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What the hell is wrong with the Reds? They can't even make basic baseball decisions in a reasonable and sound manner. They don't get enough for Frazier and then they turn around and give away Chapman for basically nothing. I don't want to hear about the Yankees prospects. The 3b was going nowhere, too many strikeouts, can't field, always hurt. The one pitcher has some upside, but he is a future middle of the rotation starter at best, and the odds are against him reaching his ceiling. I would rather have one qualifying offer draft pick than the four players the Reds received. With that draft pick, I might be able to select someone with a high ceiling. I would also rather hold on to Chapman to see if I can get something valuable for him at the trade deadline. The Reds moved Chapman at a time when his value was incredibly low. And where were the Dodgers? They could have easily beat this package and acquired Chapman. Andrew Friedman continues to perform like the most overrated executive in baseball today.
 

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And where were the Dodgers? They could have easily beat this package and acquired Chapman. Andrew Friedman continues to perform like the most overrated executive in baseball today.
To that point - that's been a pretty bad clubhouse the past two years, so them showing restraint by not adding another fruitcake with Puig still on the team probably isn't a terrible idea.
 
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I don't recall anyone celebrating the fact that the Sox were able to acquire those players cheaply precisely because of their domestic violence issues, which renders your analogies inapt.

I originally read sf121's post and thought he went a bit overboard. Then I read the entirety of the post he was responding to and realized that he was right.

This is a smart baseball move for the Yankees. But positioning domestic violence allegations as some sort of new market inefficiency - which is what Pinchrunner#2 did - is inappropriate and I'm glad this was noted.
What the hell are you talking about? Pinchrunner#2 said good on the Yankees for removing non baseball factors out of the equation in acquiring a baseball player that makes them better. That's all he said. sf121 then came in on his high horse and judged them harshly for trying to get better by getting a really great baseball player.

Pinchrunner never said dudes that beat their wives are the new OBP dudes. Please stop making everything a crusade.
 

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It should be viewed as a positive thing that it's no longer acceptable to do this sort of thing or to welcome players who do. Comparing the Yankees' or Cowboys' actions today to the low standard that used to be prevalent when it came to hiring abusers and wife beaters isn't particularly relevant.

This isn't some brilliant move. It's a pretty despicable one and it sends a terrible message. Hopefully this blows right up in their faces – not because it's the Yankees but because they are in the wrong here.
What the fuck?! We would all be sacrificing white baby lambs at the alter of Dombrowski if he had pulled this off.
 

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What the fuck?! We would all be sacrificing white baby lambs at the alter of Dombrowski if he had pulled this off.
Judging by what the Yankees gave up, DD could've easily matched that package with a few of our mid 30s prospects. Teams are running from this guy obviously. I for one hope he flops on his new team.
 

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I didn't want to get into this side of things too much because no one really knows what happened, and I didn't pay attention to the specifics of this case until after this deal happened yesterday, but as best I can tell it's not clear that there was any domestic abuse at all. Equating Chapman and Greg Hardy seems pretty ridiculous, at least based on what I've read.
 

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What the hell are you talking about? Pinchrunner#2 said good on the Yankees for removing non baseball factors out of the equation in acquiring a baseball player that makes them better. That's all he said. sf121 then came in on his high horse and judged them harshly for trying to get better by getting a really great baseball player.

Pinchrunner never said dudes that beat their wives are the new OBP dudes. Please stop making everything a crusade.
This is what I am referring to in Pinchrunner's post:

In general I am not a supporter of any sport league/union suspending players because of things they have done wrong in their private life. Sport professionals should not be handled differently than other employees. There are laws and if you do something illegal you'll be punished in court and that's it. In some cases you'll lose your job, if you miss significant time in prison. If a professional tennis player would be charged with domestic violence, convicted or not, the ATP wouldn't do a thing. The player would pay the price or go to prison and return immediately to the tennis court (maybe some tournaments would't invite him anymore if he is not a notable player). The same is correct for every european football league: let tribunal set a punishment if a player is found guilty and that's it.

I applaud the Yankees for apparently looking at this more rationally than others.
The bolded section is factually incorrect. Private employers often look at the conduct of their employees outside of work and make employment decisions based on that conduct regardless of any legal adjudication. To imply otherwise is nonsense.

The part where he applauds the Yankees for ignoring Chapman's behavior and acting "rationally" can reasonably be interpreted any number of ways. I don't have a problem with sf121 calling out that language, as it's poorly phrased at best.

Lastly, I don't think the tone or language of my post was indicative of any sort of crusade and I don't appreciate you twisting my words. I'd also point out that your response to me indicates that the size of your horse appears to be comparable to those you are decrying.
 
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What the hell is wrong with the Reds? They can't even make basic baseball decisions in a reasonable and sound manner. They don't get enough for Frazier and then they turn around and give away Chapman for basically nothing. I don't want to hear about the Yankees prospects. The 3b was going nowhere, too many strikeouts, can't field, always hurt. The one pitcher has some upside, but he is a future middle of the rotation starter at best, and the odds are against him reaching his ceiling. I would rather have one qualifying offer draft pick than the four players the Reds received. With that draft pick, I might be able to select someone with a high ceiling. I would also rather hold on to Chapman to see if I can get something valuable for him at the trade deadline. The Reds moved Chapman at a time when his value was incredibly low. And where were the Dodgers? They could have easily beat this package and acquired Chapman. Andrew Friedman continues to perform like the most overrated executive in baseball today.
The Joel Sherman piece I linked above explains it pretty well, after CIN's attempt to move Phillips fell through, they needed to clear money and this seems to have been the best offer left on the table for Chapman (there were supposedly three other teams still trying for him along with NY).

Also NY can afford to roll the dice on Chapman's suspension because they have Betances/Miller to cover any time he may be suspended, most other teams don't have that luxury.
 

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...Also NY can afford to roll the dice on Chapman's suspension because they have Betances/Miller to cover any time he may be suspended, most other teams don't have that luxury.
That plus his salary cost. There are only so many teams willing to pay 8 figures to a closer, let alone one with significant uncertainty hanging over him. The Yankees had that luxury as well.

I agree with others that NY clearly stole this talent. Whether it's a "win," or a big win, could depend on what MLB does. If worse facts come out, it could have a heavy PR/$ hit as well.

I'm hoping he either gets suspended for 40 games or for the year. Getting 1.7 years out of him after a 50 game suspension is the least desirable outcome, I think, from a performance/Sox fan's perspective.
 

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You guys know we had Julio Lugo and Wil Cordero for a number of years, yea? And probably a shit ton more of wife beaters back when it was considered sport to rough up your lady if she got out of line.
Cordero was suspended by the Sox for 8 games, and released by the Red Sox after the season. They weren't quick to react, but it wasn't like he had a prior known history before he arrived in Boston. Maybe the Sox knew internally, but publicly there wasn't anything. Lugo was designated for a assignment the day after his 2003 incident, and the Sox picked him up 4 years later. There's a bit of difference there, no?

Maybe there isn't a difference between signing a guy 4 years later and trading for a guy who still faces discipline. Either way they're shitty people.
 

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I didn't want to get into this side of things too much because no one really knows what happened, and I didn't pay attention to the specifics of this case until after this deal happened yesterday, but as best I can tell it's not clear that there was any domestic abuse at all. Equating Chapman and Greg Hardy seems pretty ridiculous, at least based on what I've read.
Really equating the two seems ridiculous???

From reports via Yahoo sports:
He admitted to firing eight shots with a handgun, seven of which went into a concrete wall inside his garage and the eighth of which went through a window into an open field, following a party with friends and family, according to the police report.

Police interviewed multiple people, including Chapman, Chapman’s girlfriend, her brother and a man identified as Chapman’s driver, according to the report. No arrests were made “due to conflicting stories and a lack of cooperation from all parties involved,” the report said.

The incident started, Chapman’s girlfriend told police, after she went into a bathroom of Chapman’s 10,000-square-foot-plus house and “found something in his phone that she did not like,” according to the report. Chapman, his girlfriend told police, then took the phone from her, the report said. They went to the movie theater inside of Chapman’s home, where “he had pushed her against the wall,” according to the report, and “that Chapman had ‘choked’ her by placing his hands around her neck, but did not prevent her from breathing at any time.” Police did not observe “injuries or even redness anywhere on her neck or chest,” the report said.

Chapman’s girlfriend told police her brother “came into the theater and separated them,” the report said. Chapman’s girlfriend told police she “ran outside because she was scared for her and her daughter,” according to the report. Her daughter was 4 months old, according to the report. While it is unclear whether the child is Chapman’s, he told police after a previous incident that they “had a child in common,” according to a police report.


The Hardy episode as reported by Deadspin.com:
“It all happened very, very quickly,” Holder told police. “None of it really made much sense.”

She and Hardy were on the bed inside the apartment’s smaller bedroom, getting along fine, when Hardy started bringing up the past. He called her a slut, she said, and accused her of ruining their relationship.

“I tried to get up, he pushed me,” she said, “then I started fighting back, he threw me into the bathroom, I hit the back of the shower wall and fell into the bathtub where he pulled me out.”

He dragged her out by her hair and picked her up again, she said, throwing her onto the futon, which had several weapons—what she described as “guns from ... the Army or ... I mean like from video games”—on it. She landed on top of the rifles and then fell onto the floor. In her telling, he stood above her and strangled her with both his hands. She would later tell Detective Faye Strother that she thought she was going to die. “His pupils were tiny,” she said. “I mean he looked ... crazy.”


Of course, the episodes are not identical. However, both involve domestic abuse including choking and the added intimidation of guns. Both are horrific and certainly are in the same ballpark in their seriousness. Since professional ballplayers certainly have the money to spend their way out of justice system, each league needs defined sets of penalties which they need to consistently apply. This is being done albeit in a reactive instead of pro-active fashion. However, I don't believe you can say it is okay to sign one player but not okay to sign another. This is not to say players who have no legal conviction should be banned for life, but a well thought out policy is needed for all the professional leagues.
 
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Again, I really don't want to be in the position of defending someone's actions when I don't know exactly what happened, but to me the fact that there were zero signs of Chapman physically assaulting his girlfriend is important, and that's for me what stands in stark contrast to the Hardy case. That is hopefully the last post I will make about this component of the deal because it makes me feel dirty to discuss without more being known, but I also dislike the mass (and pretty understandable) rush to judgment that I'm seeing from some people.
 

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Yeah, let's applaud the Yankees for being willing employ a scumbag who beat up a woman. What a rational, admirable thing to do. GJGE.
It is rational. To me at least. The question here is: what do you get in on-field value by adding Chapman for what baseball price in terms of prospects? And not, what could he have done and would we look bad because of it when adding him? Remember, Chapman has not been found guilty of anything yet. I would have added Chapman in heatbeat for that package. MLB should not be suspending people based on hearsay or their own investigation nor on actual conviction. That would be punishing somebody twice for the same act (if convicted, and if not, it would be just random). That's my opinion and apparently the approach of a lot of sport unions.

The bolded section is factually incorrect. Private employers often look at the conduct of their employees outside of work and make employment decisions based on that conduct regardless of any legal adjudication. To imply otherwise is nonsense.
Not true. Or at least it is not a complete post, since we seemingly are all looking for a needle in a haystack in one another posts.

It always depends on the position a employee is in (high, low, public position or not) the quality of work heretofore of an employee etc. Suspending players who are (not) convicted or where there was not enough evidence for conviction is not something I have heard of outside of the NFL. It is not something that is done in European sports for example (clubs can terminate a contract of a player when he is convicted of a serious crime that prevents him of doing his job of course). Soccer players often get into legal problems for example but are not suspended by the league since this is taken care of by jurisdiction and jurisdiction only. The leagues/unions in Europe also do not have the right to make investigations and then have their own judgement/punishment. If they would, it would either mean to punish somebody twice for the same incident which is forbidden (ne bis in idem (if the player was found guilty by law)) or punishing a player while applying different guidelines than law (if a player was found not guilty) which I find highly problematic.
I get that there is an agreement between the MLBPA and MLB (similar to the NFL) that says that such suspensions are possible, but I just think it is wrong and that sport unions in general shouldn't be involved in legal troubles players have off the field. And therefore I would have acted like the Yankees and added Chapman.

I hope I clarified things and I think it is a pity that discussions in here turn so bitter, so emotional, so fast.
 
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I guess I could see the Yankees potentially getting screwed by the suspension. How much time could it take for the investigators to figure out what happened? What is the appropriate time for MLB to levy the suspension? I could see a scenario where Chapman gets suspended for all of Sept. and they lose him for the stretch run.
 

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Its funny - saw Renda hitting in the local cages earlier today - he already had a Reds hat. He looked pretty good too but he is 24 and has Phillips and another prospect ahead of him. That said, this was a great deal for the Yankees.
 

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What the fuck?! We would all be sacrificing white baby lambs at the alter of Dombrowski if he had pulled this off.
The morally-reprehensible, led by you, would be cheering. Adults would be sadly shaking our heads and canceling our ticket orders.

Some things are more important that baseball. Not beating up women is one of them. Maybe try to learn this lesson in between wrestling matches and bro-downs.
 

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The morally-reprehensible, led by you, would be cheering. Adults would be sadly shaking our heads and canceling our ticket orders.

Some things are more important that baseball. Not beating up women is one of them. Maybe try to learn this lesson in between wrestling matches and bro-downs.
I don't think it is clear cut as you make it out. If the woman is going to stay in the relationship or leave and collect alimony/child support, you are hurting her and her children financially by not employing her husband/boyfriend. Let's say no MLB team will pay this guy to pitch.....then what? We all feel good about ourselves and he becomes a__________(fill in the blank).
 

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Again, I really don't want to be in the position of defending someone's actions when I don't know exactly what happened, but to me the fact that there were zero signs of Chapman physically assaulting his girlfriend is important, and that's for me what stands in stark contrast to the Hardy case. That is hopefully the last post I will make about this component of the deal because it makes me feel dirty to discuss without more being known, but I also dislike the mass (and pretty understandable) rush to judgment that I'm seeing from some people.
pushing someone up against a wall with your hands wrapped around their neck is physically assaulting someone.

Your point about not knowing exactly what happened and refraining from a rush to judgment is well taken. However, the bolded statement is patently untrue. The victim described a physical assault. You may not believe her, but her statement is renders the claim "zero signs" incorrect.
 

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I guess I could see the Yankees potentially getting screwed by the suspension. How much time could it take for the investigators to figure out what happened? What is the appropriate time for MLB to levy the suspension? I could see a scenario where Chapman gets suspended for all of Sept. and they lose him for the stretch run.
I'm sure they'll do it by the start of the season, this happened at the end of October and they have months still to figure it out before Opening Day.
 

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pushing someone up against a wall with your hands wrapped around their neck is physically assaulting someone.
Obviously true.

Your point about not knowing exactly what happened and refraining from a rush to judgment is well taken. However, the bolded statement is patently untrue. The victim described a physical assault. You may not believe her, but her statement is renders the claim "zero signs" incorrect.
I don't understand that perspective, but ok. My statement is based on this, what i meant by 'zero signs':

"Police did not observe “injuries or even redness anywhere on her neck or chest,” the report said."