The Game Goat Thread: Wk 13 vs Eagles

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You know how we always say when another coach does something stupid "thank lucky stars we have BB and his staff"? Today the worm turned. I hated the second half "kickoff". It completely flipped momentum. Don't do something that stupid again, Bill.
 

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I think folks are being a little harsh on Brady and McDaniels (who hasn't been singled out but has been lumped in with "coaching"). The offensive line can't run or pass block - discouraging because it's as healthy as it's been all year - and they don't have a single weapon in the passing game who can beat man coverage without scheme help. Almost every big gain was Brady buying time by moving around or McDaniels reaching into his bag of tricks. Neither were perfect today by any means, but the offense would have been dreadful without them.

The D was mostly good today, though it was discouraging that they let Philly score so easily on the drive that took them to 35.

I'd be surprised if that wasn't the worst special teams display in Belichick's entire career. Not sure who's at fault - Ebner came across the formation to block another guy who came through the line untouched; this might have been a scheme thing. Someone blew their lane on the Sproles punt return, too, but I'm not sure who.
 

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You know how we always say when another coach does something stupid "thank lucky stars we have BB and his staff"? Today the worm turned. I hated the second half "kickoff". It completely flipped momentum. Don't do something that stupid again, Bill.
The drop kick was in the first half and had no bearing on the final outcome.
 

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Hey, it could be worse, we could have Jacoby Jones returning kicks. That is his second fumble tonight.
 

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I just don't understand the brady pick in the end zone after the trick play. I'll never understand it. It's first down, right? Just throw the ball away. That's what Tom has been the best at lately.
 

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The drop kick was in the first half and had no bearing on the final outcome.
It definitely had an impact on the game. I don't know why up 14-0 they chose to do something that could give the opponent a short field and a cheap opportunity to help their effort to come back. If they drive the whole field after a touchback it's one thing. But giving them the ball on the 40 just because you think a low percentage play will work isn't worth it up 2 scores.

Jordan Matthews said the drop kick was taken as an insult by the team. They were dead in the water there. Giving them a spark was totally unnecessary.

Now, there were things that were worse than this play that happened after. This was just the one play where you had total control over the situation and screwed it up royally.
 

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Meh losing sucks but I still like the pats to get at least the 2 seed if not the 1.

Regardless give me this pats team with Gronk Edelman and Hightower back vs the field at any stadium.
 

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Special teams and LaFell. If I see him quit or let up halfway through a route again I'm going to go through another set of remotes.

However I'm not even remotely worried. Won't see that poor of play again from special teams, that's for damn sure.

I stayed off SoSH today. Did anyone have a good theory as to that drop kick by Ebner? That was a head scratched for me.
 

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Comments like this assume confidence/momentum/etc mean nothing in a game played by human beings.
Assuming the Pats kicked off and had a touchback, we are talking about 20 yards of field position. I assume Belichick and the special teams coach saw something on film that made them think that the play could be successful. A slightly better kick, just a yard or two longer, and it's past the first line.

You know what gave the Eagles life? A blocked punt for a TD, a pick six, and a punt return for a TD.
 

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They got like 18 yards of field position off of the short kick. It's fucking asinine to single out that play in the first half as a key play in this game. I can think of 25-30 that were more important and impactful. It's not like the Eagles weren't trying and then were like "OMG we're insulted by that, let's try to win now". Singling out that play is ignoring so, so many things in this game
 

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It definitely had an impact on the game. I don't know why up 14-0 they chose to do something that could give the opponent a short field and a cheap opportunity to help their effort to come back. If they drive the whole field after a touchback it's one thing. But giving them the ball on the 40 just because you think a low percentage play will work isn't worth it up 2 scores.

Jordan Matthews said the drop kick was taken as an insult by the team. They were dead in the water there. Giving them a spark was totally unnecessary.

Now, there were things that were worse than this play that happened after. This was just the one play where you had total control over the situation and screwed it up royally.
I made some points in my previous post replying to someone else but you brought up some other points.

Why did the Pats choose to attempt the drop kick? Something they scouted that they thought could work is the first thing. But I think they saw this particular moment to put the game away and give the offense a short field. With the injuries on offense my assumption is that the coaching staff knew the limitations of the offense with no Edelman and no Gronk.

Jordan Matthews can say all he wants but the Eagles offense did next to nothing after the drop kick. They scored 14 points.

If special teams does its job and Brady doesn't try to force a throw at the 1, this game is completely different. The attempted drop kick, in my opinion, has zero bearing on the outcome.
 

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It matters in the sense that it gave the Eagles 20 yards by not working, its importance is just going to be grossly overstated in the week ahead.
 

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I made some points in my previous post replying to someone else but you brought up some other points.

Why did the Pats choose to attempt the drop kick? Something they scouted that they thought could work is the first thing. But I think they saw this particular moment to put the game away and give the offense a short field. With the injuries on offense my assumption is that the coaching staff knew the limitations of the offense with no Edelman and no Gronk.

Jordan Matthews can say all he wants but the Eagles offense did next to nothing after the drop kick. They scored 14 points.

If special teams does its job and Brady doesn't try to force a throw at the 1, this game is completely different. The attempted drop kick, in my opinion, has zero bearing on the outcome.
I understand that the attempt comes from something they saw on film. I disagree on doing it however. On the Matthews comment, I believe it gave the whole team life. I know how psychology and momentum can affect a team during the game. They go and score to make it 14-7 and are back in the game. There's a different mindset for the defense now and they do their job then special teams comes up with a big play to tie the game. That one decision by the Patriots got the ball rolling downhill. This is similar to how the ineligible plays in the playoffs helped spark the Pats offense. They didn't affect the outcome of the game but they helped flip momentum from one side to the other. Obviously, the Pats had their chances to flip the momentum back with the long drive in the 3rd but it didn't happen. The drop kick was a needless gamble at that stage of the game. If they want to break it out in a situation when they're trailing and absolutely need it, then I have no problem because the reward outweighs the risk.

Believe me there were many mistakes in the game. This isn't the only one, but it's the one that was the most preventable and was totally needless.
 

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Did the offensive line play poorly? I don't know but it seemed to me there were not a lot of guys open. That Brady pick-6 was a killer. I can't believe that the special teams have fucked them over so much in the last 2 weeks. Very un-Pats like.
 

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Assuming the Pats kicked off and had a touchback, we are talking about 20 yards of field position. I assume Belichick and the special teams coach saw something on film that made them think that the play could be successful. A slightly better kick, just a yard or two longer, and it's past the first line.

You know what gave the Eagles life? A blocked punt for a TD, a pick six, and a punt return for a TD.

All valid points but your comment ("had no bearing on the outcome") was so definitive. Maybe people are overstating the importance of the pooch, but we can't know perfectly what bearing it had. A normal kick off may have been followed be a three and out or a pick six. Different plays are called on different parts of the field...we have no idea what might have happened, but we do know the pooch didn't work.
 

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If the special teams coach isn't fired by tomorrow morning I will be shocked and angry. 3 special teams TDs allowed today, absolutely unacceptable and not an NFL-level performance. Fire his ass and move on.
 

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Did the offensive line play poorly? I don't know but it seemed to me there were not a lot of guys open. That Brady pick-6 was a killer. I can't believe that the special teams have fucked them over so much in the last 2 weeks. Very un-Pats like.
3 sacks and 13 hits. Almost enough to change his middle name to Carr.
 

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Did the offensive line play poorly? I don't know but it seemed to me there were not a lot of guys open.
I thought the offensive line was quite poor. 4 sacks allowed. It seemed like Brady was under siege all day. I don't see the "hurries" count anywhere, but I recall it being at least 12 drop backs (out of 39 or so?) where Brady was facing intense pressure.
Philadelphia is a middle of the road defensive front at best (15th in sacks coming it today); certainly not a Denver or Buffalo like we saw in prior weeks.
A lot of the plays the Patriots did make were due to Brady dancing around in the pocket and turning the shit protection into something positive.

To me, fixing the offensive line is the biggest offensive problem they have now. Yeah, no Gronkowski or Edelman but the guys they had out there should have been sufficient to beat the Eagles. Tough to clearly tell which o-lineman are struggling the most without looking at the film, but it's December and this keeps lingering.
The fact that they still couldn't consistently run the ball with Blount (13 carries / 52 yds) is troubling. I thought Blount ran better today than the last 2 weeks, but still too much dancing around when hitting the front. I have no idea if that's more Blount or lack of blocking up front, but this team's lack of rushing is making it way harder to score. I don't understand why White isn't given more touches. He seems to do more with the ball than Blount for sure.
Pretty rough 2nd and 3rd quarters. Valiant comeback at the end, but they really didn't deserve / do enough to win this one.
 

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I don't think rage-firing the special teams coach when you are too angry to know how many TDs were allowed on special teams would be a very productive action for the team to take.
 

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I THINK IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT ACTION TO TAKE AND IT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY, SO THERE.

Do you think ST was good today? Do you think that maybe giving up 14 points (and that hideously stupid pooch kick) was an optimum result? Do you think that maybe they had serious problems on STs and it never got fixed?

They were hot fucking garbage today and someone needs to go.
 

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Special teams and LaFell. If I see him quit or let up halfway through a route again I'm going to go through another set of remotes.

However I'm not even remotely worried. Won't see that poor of play again from special teams, that's for damn sure.

I stayed off SoSH today. Did anyone have a good theory as to that drop kick by Ebner? That was a head scratched for me.
I'd say:

1: special teams -- that was atrocious, just something you never expect to see from a BB team and, in re singling out Judge, special teams have been generally excellent this year, so that's a silly overreaction. But no doubt: #1 goat this sunday.

2: LaFell -- agree with George again, that was a brutal display.

3: and the OL. As they've gotten healthier, aren't they supposed to get better?

Of those 3, I think the Special Teams is just one of those days -- BB won't let that happen again. Lafell was bad, but when Gronk and Edelman are back I have faith in this corps. But the OL really worries me -- without Dion Lewis just creating yards via his own magic and brady getting the ball out in 2 seconds, their warts are revealed. That's worrisome.

A few stars, too: Amendola was terrific, Jamie Collins was good to have out there even if he didn't look 100%, and Malcolm Brown was strong.
 

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I tend to think serious problems would be ones which are consistent week to week. The Patriots Punt and Kick units have been excellent all season until, well, today. (I'm not counting last week, it was a rookie/practice squad guy in a big spot in poor weather). Let's see how the team responds with protection and lane assignments next week.

OL was the bigger worry and Brady made some bad throws. Lafell was not very good today.
 

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I THINK IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT ACTION TO TAKE AND IT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY, SO THERE.

Do you think ST was good today? Do you think that maybe giving up 14 points (and that hideously stupid pooch kick) was an optimum result? Do you think that maybe they had serious problems on STs and it never got fixed?

They were hot fucking garbage today and someone needs to go.
Why not cut Ebner since he was at the epicenter of all the special teams mishaps?
 

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I THINK IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT ACTION TO TAKE AND IT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY, SO THERE.

Do you think ST was good today? Do you think that maybe giving up 14 points (and that hideously stupid pooch kick) was an optimum result? Do you think that maybe they had serious problems on STs and it never got fixed?

They were hot fucking garbage today and someone needs to go.
Special teams were terrible today. No one needs to be fired tomorrow. The Pats don't really work that way, if BB doesn't Joe Judge is up to snuff he won't be back next season. He's not going to huff and puff and fire a coach in season because of one hideous game.
 

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Special teams were terrible today. No one needs to be fired tomorrow. The Pats don't really work that way, if BB doesn't Joe Judge is up to snuff he won't be back next season. He's not going to huff and puff and fire a coach in season because of one hideous game.
Agree with this. Judge has led a #1 unit for the entire season. A reactionary firing would be completely out of BB's playbook.
 

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I think he means in terms of how bad the decision/execution was, not how much impact it had in the game. It was a worse play, even if the consequences weren't as bad.
Yes, that's what I mean. The pick-6 throw was definitely a bad decision, but the Eagles got lucky in that the ball deflected perfectly to Jenkins and then he was able to run it back the entire length of the field.

The other INT came immediately after the Brady trick play which felt like the big momentum swing back in our favor. The crowd got back in it and there was plenty of time left in the game. Brady said that he was trying to throw it away, but does anyone believe he's not being a good teammate and covering for LaFell here? It certainly looks like he's trying to hit him at the front pylon. As someone that is really great at throwing away the ball when he has to, this would go down as the worst throw-away in his career if that was really his intention.
 

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The pass protection has been bad since the Dallas game, though. Receivers getting hurt have made it worse the last three weeks, but it's not like Brady's consistently sitting in a clean pocket holding the ball.
 

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I THINK IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT ACTION TO TAKE AND IT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY, SO THERE.

Do you think ST was good today? Do you think that maybe giving up 14 points (and that hideously stupid pooch kick) was an optimum result? Do you think that maybe they had serious problems on STs and it never got fixed?

They were hot fucking garbage today and someone needs to go.
Is that you Stephen Ross? Dan Campbell? Great Grandma Ford? Jim Irsay?
 

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I just don't understand the brady pick in the end zone after the trick play. I'll never understand it. It's first down, right? Just throw the ball away. That's what Tom has been the best at lately.
He had Blount on a check down for a short gain or at least a safe throwaway. Protection was fine (only 3 rush). First read off play-action was backside on the post (Martin) / wheel (Amendola) combo but coverage was tight. LaFell is running a deep cross (from the same side) - really, he's a decoy trying to take the safety with him (which would open a window for Martin on the post). But the safety plays it perfectly, passing LaFell off across the middle. LaFell continues toward the sideline instead of to the corner as Brady anticipated. But he has two defenders deep on that half of the field and one underneath (defensive end who impressively dropped into coverage about 20 yards down field). Just a bad decision by Brady.

I can buy that he was trying to throw it away. The defensive back made a pretty athletic play - he trails LaFell toward the sideline even but then finds the football in the air and quickly changes direction to make the interception. Can't fault LaFell here - expecting him to cross the entire field and then break off his natural route by somehow knowing to stem to the corner when there is a defender over the top and another defender coming doesn't seem to make sense.
 
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My fear is that the consistent rushes/hits on Brady are really affecting his decision making, and it won't get fixed even if Edelman & Gronk are back (at least fixed enough to get deeply into the playoffs.)

I don't see an answer on the OL.
 

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My fear is that the consistent rushes/hits on Brady are really affecting his decision making, and it won't get fixed even if Edelman & Gronk are back (at least fixed enough to get deeply into the playoffs.)

I don't see an answer on the OL.
But maybe the answer isn't the OL, but having two more exceptional players to throw to that will be open..and also help everyone else to be open?
 

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Phew - now we don't have to deal with the pressure of being the only 1 loss AFC team!

But, seriously, I'd be a lot more discouraged if Gronk and Edelman were healthy. The past 2 weeks have basically been Murphy's Law on a football field for this team and they've nearly pulled out each game. The special teams play kind of baffles me but I'll get over it.

The oline is really my only concern other than injuries, which are obviously related. Come playoff time, we'll be seeing some good defenses and right now they don't look up to the task. Also, the defense certainly wasn't the reason we lost today but they didn't really force the issue until the very end. No sacks or turnovers until the Eagles' 2nd to last drive? Game flow let eagles be conservative with Bradford but we need to do better.
 

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Phew - now we don't have to deal with the pressure of being the only 1 loss AFC team!
But, seriously, I'd be a lot more discouraged if Gronk and Edelman were healthy. The past 2 weeks have basically been Murphy's Law on a football field for this team and they've nearly pulled out each game. The special teams play kind of baffles me but I'll get over it.

Also, the defense certainly wasn't the reason we lost today but they didn't really force the issue until the very end. No sacks or turnovers until the Eagles' 2nd to last drive? Game flow let eagles be conservative with Bradford but we need to do better.
Agree with a lot of what you said here. For any football game if someone told you one team would literally hand 21 points to the other team via mistakes/miscues ( blocked punt TD, INT TD,Punt TD ) and throw in another INT for good measure the odds of winning that have to be around 3 percent or so even if the other team is terrible as the Eagles were the 3 weeks prior.

Brady had a bad game decision making no doubt about it with the Pick 6 being the most brutal. However, when he manages to elevate an offense that's playing without it's 1rst (Gronk) , 2nd (Edelman), and 3rd ( Lewis) options and oline which was average, but leaky ,to being within a score with around 3 mins left and 2 timeouts left I think his performance is overall above average.

Bottom line:
As some have said throughout this thread the GOAT of this game was the coaching staff. There were 4 questionable decisions that along with Brady's mistakes sunk the ship .

From Least Defensible to Most ( I do admit BB and the staff know way way way more football and this is results based analysis, but these were annoying in game.)
1) The handling of the clock with 2 TO's left before the half when they were receiving after. They had two pretty good running sequences for big chunks of yardage and changed their mind to go for it leaving them with the punting situation when they stalled. I get wanting to be aggressive after the runs go well, but when you have Brady and the bad Eagles D be aggressive and throw to get in Ghost FG range. If you are afraid of the line breaking down, which it had allowed 3 sacks I think, or no WR separation TB takes a sack and you at least give it your best under 2 min drill rather than changing on fly.

2) The Punt to Sproles :
The guy as Slater acknowledged is one of the best in the game, Kick as far away from him as possible. Hell even if you give bad field position and out of bounds. Don't remember if he had to run to get it or if it was right in his general direction, but that was brutal.

3) The Drop Kick- Will be the most criticized for sure. It's annoying because if it's an AFC game I doubt BB does that. Perhaps shows how much he was worried about D stopping the rush to the outside , which without Hightower, was again gashed repeatedly.

4) Ebner 2.0 - I get that BB may say that the kick gave them 2 shots at the possession apple instead of just booting it deep and believing in a run D that had been gashed, but I don't get why Ghost isn't chosen to execute it.
 

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What thumper's dad said.
White seemed to be emerging a bit more. We're going to need him to continue to develop.
Not sure what happened with Kline but no new injuries. Lots of teachable moments.
 

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Clearly the goat goes to the ST units and coaches. 'Nuff said.

However, the OL had an awful game all around. Philly's defense is nothing to be afraid of, but the OL could not open holes for the RB's, and the tackles were getting beat all day. Brady's already been sacked more times this season than all last. Vollmer and Cannon are no longer the answer, but there's not much that can be done there either. That's the biggest long term concern right now.

LaFell is getting exposed when being forced into playing the larger role.

No reason to let Sam Bradford complete that 3rd and long at the final possession. For whatever reason, the DL has been beaten badly the last 2 games.
 

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FWIW Philly's D through week 9 was one of the top 5 by nearly every advanced stat. They look bad on some stats because of the amount they've been on the field. But it's been a very good unit.
It fell apart the last two weeks. Just imploded, which has made people (myself included) think they had run out of steam from playing so much and getting beaten up. That might still be the case, but for the first half of the season ti was an excellent unit. What it is now is unclear.

Graham, Cox, Barwin and Curry (who largely were the guys creating pressure) are all very good.

And on that third and long, you should check out that block Peters has absolutely no right to make, that's how Bradford has time, a just sensational play.

Overall I'd say you guys should treat it as a bit of a freak loss, and not over-react.
 

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I thought the defense played pretty well overall. Can't blame the D for a 99-yard pick-six, a blocked punt TD, and a punt return TD.

The OL was abysmal again. I'm officially very worried about this unit. Can't open holes for the running game, no matter the opponent. Having a very hard time in pass protection, no matter the opponent. Buffalo, Denver, Philly....just doesn't matter. They are getting abused game-in and game-out.

The injuries - more than in previous years it seems - are really coming back to bite them. I never thought that Gronk and Edelman's losses would cripple the team like it has. I think combining those two with Lewis' injury, and the Pats' offense simply doesn't have the same ability to do what it does best. That leaves Brady in a position where he's got no running game to lean on, he's under constant pressure (real or imagined), and he can't get as many quick-hitters as he'd like (which, by the way, helps the OL pass protect better), and he's forced to hold the ball longer because his guys aren't open right away. That puts more pressure on him, and he ends up forcing things. Which is why we see more deep heaves and throws into traffic, and predictably, more turnovers result. It's a vicious cycle.

That said, the first INT was a tipped ball that - of course - got intercepted and returned for a TD. The second one was a bad route by LaFell (I think). So really, neither should have happened. But that's what happens when things are going bad. It won't last, I hope.

Special teams were as bad as I've ever seen from a Patriots' unit. Ever. I've been watching since the mid 70s and I cannot remember a performance as bad as that. Mind-numbingly bad. Clearly that shouldn't happen again.

Houston probably thinks they have New England right where they want them. At home (in Houston). The Pats reeling. Houston's D licking its chops. And they may be right. But they may be in for a rude surprise.

The Pats need to be healthy come playoff time. If they are, if their quick-strike offense can be re-activated with Edelman and Gronk healthy, and with Hightower back and Collins fully up to speed, there's nobody better in the NFL than New England.
 

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The Pats have had at least one bad performance against an inferior opponent every single year under Brady/Belichick. Even 2007 had that Ravens game, which they were lucky to win. That's the NFL. Unfortunately, now they have maybe no margin for error. Winning out gives them a decent shot at the 1 seed and 3-1 a decent shot at a bye. My guess is that Pitt takes one of those 2.

They need Gronk back badly, though. We were so relieved he didn't blow out his knee that we forgot what he brings to the offense.
 

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I think guys are not getting open and Brady is holding the ball longer, thus the hits and sacks are piling up.
Immediately after the game I felt like the pass blocking had been awful. I'm about 2/3rd of the way through reqatching the Pats possessions, and it doesn't look as bad as I remembered. No one being open was a big problem, as were the dropsies. Also, the two INTs were really bad, but otherwise Brady did some nice work (again) moving around/scrambling to buy time.
 

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The Eagles defense isn't the best, but they played well. Pats still put up almost 30 points without their three top weapons.
The Patriots defense played well, too - except for some big early runs, Bradford got very little going in the passing game.

But a blocked punt returned all the way, a pick-six in the freaking end zone returned all the way, AND a punt returned for a TD? No one's beating that. Even still, Pats had a tiny bit of life left on that last drive...until three straight first down passes were dropped.

Pats win that game 9 times out of 10, I think. Some bad luck, bad coaching decisions, a few dumb forced passes and some horrible blocking.
 

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Assuming the Pats kicked off and had a touchback, we are talking about 20 yards of field position. I assume Belichick and the special teams coach saw something on film that made them think that the play could be successful. A slightly better kick, just a yard or two longer, and it's past the first line.

You know what gave the Eagles life? A blocked punt for a TD, a pick six, and a punt return for a TD.
Yes but what I don't understand is why waste an interesting trick play at that time. The drop kick onsides is not a bad idea but why not save it for when you really need it. The Eagles player that recovered the kick also made a hell of a play.
 

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I don't have an issue with them trying the pooch kick at that time, as has been stated the downside isn't awful(roughly 20 yards in field position). What I don't understand is how they did it. The whole idea of a pooch kick is for everything to look normal and to catch the other team assuming a deep kickoff. As soon as Gost flips it to Ebner the other team knows something is up and are on high alert. It just seems to totally defeat the purpose.

It just seems like Bill was trying to get too cute and do something no one else has ever done before.
 

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The thing I don't get about the pooch kick is: even if it gets past the Eagle's front-line kickoff team, because of the angle, it's got an excellent chance of going out of bounds anyway. Then Philly's starting at the 45.

Just don't understand the risk / reward. That's the kind of thing huge underdogs do in games where they are outmatched, in order to gain an extra possession. NE is the better team in this instance. There's no need.
 

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I tend to think serious problems would be ones which are consistent week to week. The Patriots Punt and Kick units have been excellent all season until, well, today. (I'm not counting last week, it was a rookie/practice squad guy in a big spot in poor weather). Let's see how the team responds with protection and lane assignments next week.

OL was the bigger worry and Brady made some bad throws. Lafell was not very good today.
This is the best post in the thread IMO. They couldn't stop the run early and the O line continued to have some problems. I am not concerned about having random special teams problems going forward.

Re: the Brady pick on the deep ball, he said this morning that he was trying to throw it away and screwed it up.

I think the biggest play of the game was the pick on the goal line; he should have thrown that one away.