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#1 drtooth


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:24 AM

Thoughts I would start of this year's thread with long time beat writer Marc Topkin's ST preview

 

http://www.tampabay....preview/1274596.

 

A few things to look for ...

 

Pitching rotation

What they did: Traded right-hander Shields to the Royals; signed right-hander Hernandez (formerly Fausto Carmona).

What it means: Subtracting a 200-inning workhorse and the acknowledged veteran leader of an otherwise young staff is risky business. Their hope is that right-hander Jeremy Hellickson, who didn't get through six innings in 14 of 31 starts last season, and lefty Matt Moore, who was inconsistent as a rookie, are ready to shoulder more innings (each threw 177) and responsibility as the Nos. 2-3 starters behind Cy Young Award-winning ace lefty David Price. Shields' "replacement" will come from which two make the rotation from the trio of right-hander Alex Cobb (impressive in most of his 23 starts last year), Jeff Niemann (coming back from a season lost to injuries) and Hernandez. Cobb probably has an edge.

What we say: The rotation is clearly weakened, though Moore could close the gap quickly.

Bullpen

What they did: Traded right-handers Davis to the Royals and Badenhop to the Brewers; lost left-hander Howell as free agent (Dodgers); re-signed free agent right-handers Joel Peralta and Kyle Farnsworth; signed Hernandez and right-hander Jamey Wright (minor-league deal).

What it means: A strong bullpen is more vital with the potential of an increased workload in Shields' absence. The back end is intact, with Farnsworth, setup men Peralta and lefty Jake McGee, and righty closer Fernando Rodney, who would make the Rays happy if he is just close to as good as he was as last year. The void will be the 70 innings of better-than-you-thought "bridge" work by Davis, who made a team-high 23 appearances of more than one inning. Cesar Ramos is set to take Howell's spot as the other lefty. Badenhop will be replaced as the ground-ball specialist by Hernandez or Wright (or both).

What we say: There are questions, but there is depth, too. Overall, even.

Infield

What they did: Lost first baseman Peña (Astros) and infielder Keppinger (White Sox) as free agents; designated for assignment infielder Elliot Johnson and second baseman-shortstop Reid Brignac; acquired shortstop Escobar from the Marlins; signed first baseman Loney and infielder Kelly Johnson.

What it means: Improving the defense was a priority, and the additions of Escobar and Loney (considered by some better than Peña and Casey Kotchman) should do it, plus the return to health of Gold Glove third baseman Longoria. Second base looks to be a four-way job share among Kelly Johnson (who also will get time in leftfield), Ryan Roberts, Sean Rodriguez (back to a super utility role) and Ben Zobrist (who will play in rightfield and occasionally at shortstop, too). Jose Molina and either Jose Lobaton or Chris Gimenez will again handle the catching.

What we say: The defense is better, the offense unclear. Even for now.

Outfield/DH

What they did: Lost centerfielder Upton as a free agent (Braves); re-signed free agent designated hitter Scott.

What it means: For all Upton's supposed flaws, he will be missed, at the plate, on the field, in the clubhouse. Desmond Jennings slides from left to center, where he played 419 of his 455 minor-league games. The corners will be manned by a combo of Zobrist, Matt Joyce and Sam Fuld (a lefty hitter who will face many lefty pitchers), plus Johnson and Roberts (who will get spring looks), Rodriguez, maybe Scott.

What we say: The Rays are weaker, though Jennings could have something to say about that.

 


Edited by drtooth, 12 February 2013 - 03:30 PM.


#2 MakMan44


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:27 AM

Thread title change is in order



#3 mt8thsw9th


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

Thread title change is in order

 

Why? That's a pretty awesome typo.



#4 Jordu

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:21 PM

Thread title change is in order

Why? That's a pretty awesome typo.


Or throwback thread title: Devil Rats.

#5 VORP Speed

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:28 PM

This Rats provocation shall not go unpunished, ye defenders of the cellar.

#6 drtooth


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

Fixed the thread title.  I suck :unsure:

 

In other news, Eliot Johnson has been sent to KC as the PTBNL in the James Shields trade.



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Posted 12 February 2013 - 10:19 PM

Fixed the thread title.  I suck :unsure:

 

In other news, Eliot Johnson has been sent to KC as the PTBNL in the James Shields trade.

It's cool, being a dentist is a hard job.

 

Any news on Brignac?



#8 drtooth


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:06 PM

It's cool, being a dentist is a hard job.

 

Any news on Brignac?

Just got it today.  Brignac has been traded to the Rockies for cash considerations and PTBNL.



#9 MakMan44


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:29 PM


Just got it today.  Brignac has been traded to the Rockies for cash considerations and PTBNL.


Nice depth move for them especially considering Tulo may get injured again

#10 drtooth


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:14 AM

Rays sign Jack Cust.



#11 VORP Speed

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 12:03 PM

The Joe Maddon Garden Gnome shall lead us.

 

http://l1.yimg.com/b...ysGiveaways.jpg



#12 Michelle34B

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

@HallerDave: "Last start by Rays pitcher who signed as major league FA? Wilson Alvarez
on 7/14/02 vs. SEA. 10+ years later, R.Hernandez could end streak."

 

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#13 trekfan55


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

Rays --reclamation experts- excited by what they see in Fausto Carmona,
w/the movement of his fastball. Has a shot to be No. 4 or 5 starter.

 

Olney on Twitter

 

He later does acknowledge that his real name is Roberto Henrandez.  The Rays seem to have the best coaching staff in baseball, so it wouldn't surprise me that they make him an effective pitcher.


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#14 VORP Speed

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

http://www.draysbay....-prospect-lists

Good summary of what's in the pipeline. How much would the Rays like to have that Tim Beckham over Buster Posey pick to do over again?

#15 drtooth


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:09 AM

No shock, but David Price named the Opening Day starter



#16 VORP Speed

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:31 PM

http://www.beyondthe...-tampa-bay-rays

Pretty good rundown of Rays rotation. I'm pretty optimistic about how things are shaping up with the pitching this year. Cobb has been lights out this spring and is looking like he has a higher ceiling than a #4 starter. Archer would be in the rotation of just about every other team in the league already, but he's getting stashed in Durham for awhile longer in typical Rays fashion. He'll be in the mix by mid-year. Niemann is a big, injury-prone doofus, but he generally gives some solid innings when he's not hurt. As usual, being young and deep and having starting arms on the upswing of their careers (and the whole rotation costing less than Lackey) should serve the Rays quite well.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:08 PM

Olney on Twitter

 

He later does acknowledge that his real name is Roberto Henrandez.  The Rays seem to have the best coaching staff in baseball, so it wouldn't surprise me that they make him an effective pitcher.

The Rays have the best pitching coach.  I don't know that you can really say all that much for their hitting instruction.  Since Pena suddenly exploded and then went consistently downhill, what hitters have come up through their system or been acquired by them and gotten significantly better?

 

Jim Hickey is a frigging genius.  Their other guys?  Ehh.



#18 tbrep

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:01 PM

Roberto Hernandez officially named the fifth starter. Decision based on his impressive spring training (minus the last poor start). For me, I thought Niemann was coming around as the season approached, with a great last start, and the decision seems to me to be more about quantity than quality (Hernandez hass pitched over 180 innings in both 2010 and 2011) to compensate for the loss of Shields.

 

Rotation now looks like this: Price, Hellickson, Moore, Cobb, Hernandez.

 

Maddon indicating, however, that he will probably split up Moore and Hellickson as both tend to put strain on bullpen. If neither Niemann or Hernandez click as a 5th starter, then we could alse see Archer come up before too long.



#19 drtooth


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:48 PM

Luke Scott goes on the DL with a right calf strain.



#20 VORP Speed

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:10 AM

Opening Day at the Trop! The smell of plastic grass....the gloomy warehouse shadows...the fluorescent lighting...the cool, cool air conditioning that keeps the sticky heat at bay...the first (and last) sellout of the year!!! Here's to another improbable year!



#21 drtooth


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:35 PM

Rays fall 7-4 to the O's in the opener.

 

Jake McGee  allows 5 runs int the 7th, including a 3-run Chris Davis HR, to take the loss.  David Price labors through 6 innings (100 pitches, 7 H, 2 R, 2 BB, 4 K).  Ben Zobrist homered and drove in 2 while  Desmond Jennings and Sam Fuld each had 1 RBI.



#22 drtooth


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:30 AM

Tampa tops the O's 8-7.

 

Matt Joyce hits a walk-off HR for the win after Fernando Rodney blows a save in the top of the 9th.  Shelly Duncan had a 3-run HR while Ben Zobrist added 2 RBI,  James Loney's PH RBI 2B accounted for the other Rays RBI.



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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:24 PM

Rays lose 2 of 3 to Balt 6-3.

 

Chris Davis turned this 3 game series into his own personal BP, as he homered again and drove in 4 (3 HR and 11 RBI in the series). TB got RBI from Evan Longoria, James Loney and Jose Molina.  Roberto Hernandez took the loss as he allowed 4 runs on 6 hits in 6.2 IP



#24 drtooth


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:53 PM

Rays shutout Tribe 4-0.

 

Matt Moore allows 2 hits over 6 innings (2 BB, 8K).  Ben Zobrist had 2 hits and 3 RBI to pace the offense.  Yunel Escobar drove in the other TB run



#25 drtooth


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:06 AM

Another shutout as Rays win 6-0 over Clev.

 

Alex Cobb allows 4 4 hits (3 BB, 6 K) over 7.1 innings.  Tampa benefited from 9 walks.  JAmes Loney and Kelly Johnson (2-run 4th inning HR each drove in 2 to pace the offense.Evan Longoria and Shelly Duncan drove in the other runs.



#26 drtooth


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:46 PM

Indians return the favor to TB 13-0.

 

 David Price allows 8 runs over 5 innings for the loss.  Ben Zobrist had 2 of the Rays 4 hits.



#27 drtooth


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:30 AM

Texas tops Rays 5-4.

 

All that needs to be said is that Ben Zobrist was called out with the tying run on first on one of the worst strike calls one will ever see.

 



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:45 AM

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#29 IHateDaveKerpen

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:48 AM

...so all THREE strike calls were pretty shitty.  Got it.

 

Maddon hasn't exactly been shying away from the situation.  He tweeted "That can't happen in a major league game."

 

Interesting that Marty Foster has copped to it being a horrible call.  Ugh.  Bring on the robot umps.

 

EDIT: Stupid tweet formatting.  How do you guys imbed tweets, again?


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#30 LuckyBen

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 12:22 PM

Poor Rays, they never get the calls!

#31 VORP Speed

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:08 PM

That strike zone plot should be titled...."hey, i've had a long day, it's hot here in texas and i just want to get all this gear off and nail the hooker that is waiting for me back at the hotel"

 

Good for Maddon for speaking up about it. 



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:26 PM

My favorite part about that was the RANGERS announcers saying ". . Ball Four.  . . No!  It's called a strike . . !"  Even the guys wearing Rangers colored glasses were sure it was a ball.  I think that if that had been the White Sox's closer throwing that pitch, even Hawk "persecution complex" Harrelson would have admitted it was a ball.

 

It was really odd how complimentary Foster was toward Maddon in the press writeups.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:21 AM

Rays lose 3rd in a row, 6-1 to Texas.

 

Roberto Hernandez labors through 6.1 innings (8 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 113 pitches) to get the loss.  Desmond Jennings had 2 of Tampa's 4 hits.  Ben Zobrist drove in the only run.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:02 PM

Rays finally beat the Rangers 2-0.

 

Ben Zobrist and Evan Longoria each drove in 1 run.  Matt Moore goes to 2-0 (5.1 IP 1H 6 BB 5 K).  Fernando Rodney closes it out for his 1st save



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 05:37 AM

Rays lose 7th of his last 8 5-4 to Orioles.

Roberto Hernandez falls to 0-3 as he allows 5 runs (3 ER) in 5.1 IP (3 BB, 7 K). TB get HR's from Desmond Jennings, Kelly Johnson ans Evan Longoria (2-run).

#36 drtooth


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:33 AM

Tampa tries to right the ship in a 6-2 win over the O's

Matt Moore goes to3-0 as allows 2 runs in 5.2 innings (5 H, 3 BB, 7 K). James Loney had 3 hits and 3 RNI. Kelly John son and Shelly Duncan each homered.

#37 VORP Speed

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:50 PM

Can we start discussing what they might get for Price at the deadline?

#38 tims4wins


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

The way he's pitching...not much

#39 VORP Speed

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:41 PM

That makes it doubly depressing.

#40 sean1562

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:07 AM

why would they trade price now again? the idea is they wont even go to arbitration for him? he isnt a free agent until 2016, trading him would be kind of ridiculous unless they get someone like profar or tavares back. 



#41 MakMan44


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 11:13 AM

why would they trade price now again? the idea is they wont even go to arbitration for him? he isnt a free agent until 2016, trading him would be kind of ridiculous unless they get someone like profar or tavares back. 

That's the point. Doesn't hurt to shop him around see who bites. It's pretty well known at this point that they won't be able to afford him and trading him sooner nets them more


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:10 AM

That's the point. Doesn't hurt to shop him around see who bites. It's pretty well known at this point that they won't be able to afford him and trading him sooner nets them more



Exactly. If he goes, it will be for a king's ransom. Profar plus plus. Rays won't be able to afford him, he's got more value now with more years of control and pitching is not the Rays' issue. Being the Rays is like living in the zombie apocalypse, no room for error, no sentimentality for the past, must always be planning ahead and maximizing value of all assets at all times. If they can get a young Wil Myers type stud and lock him up with a long term deal, that's the jackpot.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 07:12 AM

Rays top A's 8-3.

Alex Cobb raises his record to 2-1 as he allows 3 runs in 7.1 innings. Ben Zobrist, Evan Longoria (HR), and Jose Lobaton each drove in 2 runs.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:58 PM

Tampa eeks out 1-0 win over Okaland.

 

Matt Joyce's 2nd inning HR accounted for the scoring.  Jeremy Hellickson, Joel Peralta and Fernando Rodney combined to allow just 3 hits.



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 10:23 AM

Top 100 prospect Hak-Ju Lee messed up his knee and might be done for the season:

 

http://www.milb.com/...s_milb&sid=milb



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:31 AM

Exactly. If he goes, it will be for a king's ransom. Profar plus plus. Rays won't be able to afford him, he's got more value now with more years of control and pitching is not the Rays' issue. Being the Rays is like living in the zombie apocalypse, no room for error, no sentimentality for the past, must always be planning ahead and maximizing value of all assets at all times. If they can get a young Wil Myers type stud and lock him up with a long term deal, that's the jackpot.

 

best description of rays life i have ever read



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Posted 21 April 2013 - 04:58 PM

Top 100 prospect Hak-Ju Lee messed up his knee and might be done for the season:
 
http://www.milb.com/...s_milb&sid=milb


Tim Beckham gave him a shitty toss on a DP ball. Beckham's existence continues to plague Rays.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 08:11 AM

Tampa sweeps Oakland 8-1.

 

Roberto Hernandez earns his 1st win with 6 innings of 3 hits, 1 run ball (3 BB, 7 K).  Yunel Escobar had his best game as a Ray with 3 hits, HR and 2 RBI.



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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:25 AM

Another strong outing by Matt Moore in a 5-1 Rays wins over NY. 8 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 3 BB, 9 K.  He is now 4-0 with 1 ,04 ERA.  Ryan Roberts hit 2 HR's and Yunel Escobar added a 2-run 1st inning HR (part of a 4 run 1st). 5 in a row of Tampa.


Edited by drtooth, 23 April 2013 - 09:26 AM.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 09:26 AM


Another strong outing by Matt Moore in a 5-1 Rays wins over NY. 8 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 3 BB, 9 K.  He is now 4-0 with 1 ,04 ERA.  Ryan Roberts hit 2 HR's and Yunel Escobar added a 2-run 1st inning HR (part of a 4 run 1st)


You can blame Terry for those two hits as well




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