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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:51 PM
Just the facts, ma'am.
PFT on which players need to go through waivers and which do not:
Any player who is released with less than four years of service must pass through waivers, with his current contract eligible to be claimed by any other team.Any player who is released with four or more years of service becomes an unrestricted free agent immediately, free to sign with any other team at any time.
Edited by SeoulSoxFan, 12 March 2013 - 03:11 PM.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:51 PM
Michael Boley released by the Giants: http://profootballta...-michael-boley/
The move comes as something of a surprise, but maybe it shouldn’t: Boley will turn 31 before the start of the 2013 season, and although he played well early in the year, he lost his spot in the Giants’ starting lineup late in the 2012 season. Boley was also due $4.25 million this year. He’s still good enough to play for some NFL team, but the Giants didn’t think he was good enough to justify his salary.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:52 PM
Rams claim Titus Young. Yes, he's claimed: http://profootballta...ed-titus-young/
For the Rams, Titus Young’s talent trumped the trouble he’s been known to cause. For the NFL’s other 31 teams, he wasn’t worth the headaches.Mike Garafolo of USA Today first reported, and PFT has confirmed, that the Rams were the only team to put in a waiver claim for Young today.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:54 PM
Kyle Vanden Bosch released in Detroit: http://profootballta...one-in-detroit/
Vanden Bosch’s departure was expected. He was set to count for $10.7 million against the cap in 2013, far too much for a player who produced just 3.5 sacks during the 2012 season. Vanden Bosch signed a four-year deal with the Lions in 2010 and produced 12 sacks over his first two seasons with the team before his production slipped this season.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 07:55 PM
Chris Rainey is unclaimed through waivers: http://profootballta...vers-unclaimed/
Chris Rainey, the 2012 fifth-round draft pick who showed promise as a rookie with the Steelers but was sent packing after the latest in a long line of off-field issues, has passed through the NFL’s waiver wire unclaimed. Now Rainey becomes an unrestricted free agent
Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:14 PM
Kyle Vanden Bosch released in Detroit: http://profootballta...one-in-detroit/
I'd love to sign a guy like this on short money and gamble that he can be productive in limited playing time. If Jones and Vanden Bosch split time 70/30, aren't they both fresher at the end of the games / at the end of the season?
Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:57 PM
I'd love to sign a guy like this on short money and gamble that he can be productive in limited playing time. If Jones and Vanden Bosch split time 70/30, aren't they both fresher at the end of the games / at the end of the season?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:33 PM
Giants release Ahmad Bradshaw, per source with knowledge of transaction.
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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:32 PM
Bump:
https://twitter.com/...014556273565696
Saints do not plan to use their franchise tag on starting left tackle Jermon Bushrod. He will be an unrestricted free agent
Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:13 PM
Giants re-sign William Beatty, one of the premiere tackles on the market (and members of my Fantasy team!) to big money.
The New York Giants have agreed to sign offensive tackle Will Beatty to a five-year, $38.75 million contract, according to a source familiar with the deal, taking one of the top free-agent offensive linemen off the market.
The deal includes $19 million guaranteed.
http://espn.go.com/n...tty-5-year-deal
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:05 AM
Changed the topic from news only to news & discussion, as there may be some interesting chatter that may not involve the Pats directly.
Just as a FYI, here's a good "tracker" with current status for each: http://nfltraderumor...fl-free-agents/
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:08 AM
Major moves in ATL: Falcons are releasing CB Dunta Robinson, RB Michael Turner and DE John Abraham today.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:18 AM
I'd take Robinson and Abraham with open arms.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:28 AM
Robinson is around 30. A vet but not ancient. Has missed 1 regular season game in 4 years. Why not?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:14 AM
I'd take Robinson and Abraham as well, but I don't think their demands will matchup with the way the Patriots operate. Both will be looking to cash in one more time. I bet they'd both be looking for 3ish years. Not a terrible length for Robinson, but obviously long for Abraham. I think Abraham will look at his production level last year (pretty good) and assume he's got multi years left.
If the money is right on Robinson, it's not an awful option.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:17 AM
Robinson is around 30. A vet but not ancient. Has missed 1 regular season game in 4 years. Why not?
Is he still any good? Players go from good to out of the NFL really fast and I personally haven't watched the Falcons enough recently to know what any of those three have left.
Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:20 AM
I'd take Robinson and Abraham as well, but I don't think their demands will matchup with the way the Patriots operate. Both will be looking to cash in one more time. I bet they'd both be looking for 3ish years. Not a terrible length for Robinson, but obviously long for Abraham. I think Abraham will look at his production level last year (pretty good) and assume he's got multi years left.
If the money is right on Robinson, it's not an awful option.
There are a lot of players out there looking to cash in, and seemingly even more teams just straight up dumping players to make the cap work. There are going to be some insane bargains towards the end of this free agency period when the games of musical chairs end. The team that have cap space as well as the patience to wait that out I think will be the big winners this offseason.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:24 AM
Is he still any good? Players go from good to out of the NFL really fast and I personally haven't watched the Falcons enough recently to know what any of those three have left.
Don't know either, but the baseline is pretty low if they could get the money to work. This is based on Talib presenting lots of issues. ESPN crawl indicates the Falcons net $18+MM cap savings from these moves, which is 15% of next year's salary cap.
Falcons' fans -- what's the deal? I understand the RB; what about Abraham and Robinson?
Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:48 AM
I've probably watched about 5 Falcons games last season. I can say this - their pass defense wasn't very good - both pass rush and secondary. I think Abraham is definitely slowing down and any team that is thinking about him would have to pencil him in as a situational player only. I didn't key in on Dunta Robinson when watching the Falcons so I can't say anything about him other than the Falcons secondary as a unit was surprisingly bad considering the names back there - Samuel, Robinson, Moore.
Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:36 AM
I don't know about Abraham. He's 34 and has primarily played DE in a 4-3 defense. He's purely a pass rusher and I'm not sure he'd be a great fit to play 3-4 DE. There might be a spot for him (like a Mark Anderson in 2011), but he's probably going to be too expensive to use him in a limited role.
As for Robinson, I don't know about him either. He's a big name, but he was pretty bad in coverage last year (-7 according to PFF) and was up and down all year. He's an above average tackler for a CB and plays the run very well (+5.5), which helped him grade out positively overall. If he was cheap, I'd take a look, but he gets burned quite a bit and will be on the wrong side of 30 when the season starts. I wouldn't feel comfortable having him replace Talib.
Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:47 AM
I don't know about Abraham. He's 34 and has primarily played DE in a 4-3 defense. He's purely a pass rusher and I'm not sure he'd be a great fit to play 3-4 DE. There might be a spot for him (like a Mark Anderson in 2011), but he's probably going to be too expensive to use him in a limited role.
The Pats are running pretty much a 4-3 now anyway ... or do you have information otherwise?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:48 AM
I don't know about Abraham. He's 34 and has primarily played DE in a 4-3 defense. He's purely a pass rusher and I'm not sure he'd be a great fit to play 3-4 DE. There might be a spot for him (like a Mark Anderson in 2011), but he's probably going to be too expensive to use him in a limited role.
As for Robinson, I don't know about him either. He's a big name, but he was pretty bad in coverage last year (-7 according to PFF) and was up and down all year. He's an above average tackler for a CB and plays the run very well (+5.5), which helped him grade out positively overall. If he was cheap, I'd take a look, but he gets burned quite a bit and will be on the wrong side of 30 when the season starts. I wouldn't feel comfortable having him replace Talib.
Thanks, that's what I was trying to break down here a little bit. More precisely, would you franchise Talib @ $11 MM first and regardless of what Robinson would cost?
Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:31 PM
Rotoworld reporting that the Bills franchised Byrd (S).
>>Bills assigned the franchise tag to FS Jairus Byrd.<<
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:39 PM
Bengals to franchise DE Michael Johnson. Bedard says he was a top target of the Patriots if he got to the open market.
Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:50 PM
The Pats are running pretty much a 4-3 now anyway ... or do you have information otherwise?
Yeah, that's true. The reason I didn't think Abraham was a good fit is because I think they like some versatility in their lineman and be able to show different looks depending on who they're playing. If they go to a 3-4 look, Abraham is a round peg in a square hole. I just feel like a team who has a more aggressive philosphy with their DE's and plays a strict 4-3 would value a guy like Abraham more than we would. But I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.
As for franchising Talib, I don't know. That number seems too much for him. I'd rather they use the franchise on Welker again and find a more reasonably priced option in the secondary. With McCourty's ability to play both CB and S competently, they can be a little more flexible in who they target in the secondary. I'd rather spend less money on a vet safety like Reed or Woodson and move McCourty back to CB over franchising Talib at $11M. I wouldn't want to go more than $6M or so per year on a 2 yr deal with Talib due to the injury and off the field concerns. I loved what he brought to the team last year, but that doesn't mean we need to overpay.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:06 PM
What does everyone think about going after Paul Kruger? We know he probably won't be tagged as they will hold it for Flacco if they can't reach a deal.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:12 PM
What does everyone think about going after Paul Kruger? We know he probably won't be tagged as they will hold it for Flacco if they can't reach a deal.
Is he really that much of an upgrade from Ninkovich? If the Pats are gonna drop coin, I'd want it to be a difference maker. I'm not sure Kruger is it, which is apparent from the Ravens having placed priority on retaining Ellerbe.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:19 PM
Is he really that much of an upgrade from Ninkovich? If the Pats are gonna drop coin, I'd want it to be a difference maker. I'm not sure Kruger is it, which is apparent from the Ravens having placed priority on retaining Ellerbe.
He's a better edge rusher than Ninkovich is(not saying Nink is bad, but Kruger is very good). His Pass Rusher Proficiency rating was 12.2 ranking him #1 at OLB. He had 55 QB pressures and 20 more in the playoffs. His overall grade was +7.9, good for 6th best at OLB.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:20 PM
Is he really that much of an upgrade from Ninkovich? If the Pats are gonna drop coin, I'd want it to be a difference maker. I'm not sure Kruger is it, which is apparent from the Ravens having placed priority on retaining Ellerbe.
I predict he gets a shocking payday--5/30 or something like that. There are enough teams running the Baltimore system that somebody is going to go nuts trying to get him
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:21 PM
What does everyone think about going after Paul Kruger? We know he probably won't be tagged as they will hold it for Flacco if they can't reach a deal.
Tag aside, he's not likely back unless Ozzie concludes that Suggs will never regain his explosiveness and keeps Kruger instead. I'm with Mystic -- pass. For some team, Kruger could well be Adalius Thomas II; not in terms of behavior, but in terms of not worthy os a massive pay day.
Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:53 PM
As for Robinson, I don't know about him either. He's a big name, but he was pretty bad in coverage last year (-7 according to PFF) and was up and down all year. He's an above average tackler for a CB and plays the run very well (+5.5), which helped him grade out positively overall. If he was cheap, I'd take a look, but he gets burned quite a bit and will be on the wrong side of 30 when the season starts. I wouldn't feel comfortable having him replace Talib.
With Robinson being such a big hitter (for a corner), maybe he's at the point in his career where gets Woodson'd.
Edited by ethangl, 01 March 2013 - 02:54 PM.
Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:00 PM
With Robinson being such a big hitter (for a corner), maybe he's at the point in his career where gets Woodson'd.
I was actually thinking the same thing as I was posting that earlier and it's certainly an idea worth exploring. The question is, at that point, how much is he worth as a safety? You'd be taking a gamble in hoping he can make the conversion. If you can get a Reed or Woodson at similar money, despite being a few years older, I think I'd prefer one of them. If he's cheaper, he might be worth a look. Although with his skill set, he may be more of an in-the-box safety rather than a Reed/Woodson who can provide better deep coverage.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 10:55 PM
Eric Winston is released. I was surprised when he was let go by the Texas a year ago, and now the Chiefs.
Perfect depth move for the Patriots:
Although he was a guard, sounds a lot like the Brian Waters situation. Make it so, BB!
Edited by SeoulSoxFan, 06 March 2013 - 11:11 PM.
Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:28 AM
http://www.rotoworld.../brian-hartline
Dolphins re-signed WR Brian Hartline to a five-year, $30.775 million contract with $12.5 million guaranteed.
Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:55 AM
And Wes Welker will absolutely test free agency. Unless the salary is so high its fake for the last year or so, if Hartline is worth $6M, Welker must want at least $8 per for 3 years
Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:20 AM
And Wes Welker will absolutely test free agency. Unless the salary is so high its fake for the last year or so, if Hartline is worth $6M, Welker must want at least $8 per for 3 years
I think you're underrating Hartline.
I'd be willing to bet Welker doesn't get $8 per for 3 years.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:31 AM
And Wes Welker will absolutely test free agency. Unless the salary is so high its fake for the last year or so, if Hartline is worth $6M, Welker must want at least $8 per for 3 years
Actually I read the opposite. Only $12.5m guaranteed - that's better news for the Pats FO IMO.
Posted 08 March 2013 - 08:52 AM
http://www.rotoworld...4535/matt-moore
I'm surprised by this. I thought 1) Moore would have preferred to go elsewhere, perhaps a team where he'd have a better chance at competing for a starter's role. And 2) I thought Miami would have preferred to spend his money elsewhere.
Edit: Financial numbers not yet available.
Edited by pdaj, 08 March 2013 - 08:52 AM.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:08 AM
I'm surprised by this. I thought 1) Moore would have preferred to go elsewhere, perhaps a team where he'd have a better chance at competing for a starter's role. And 2) I thought Miami would have preferred to spend his money elsewhere.
Edit: Financial numbers not yet available.
Two years, $8 million, according to this
http://www.nfl.com/n...-miami-dolphins
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:12 AM
Peter King put out his Top 50 Free Agent list and the best fits for each player.
He lists best fits for New England as: Ed Reed, Osi Umeniyora, Wes Welker, and Aqib Talib. He said Vollmer's best fit is Chicago.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:22 PM
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As @mikejurecki reported, Adrian Wilson will be released by the Cardinals today. Bedrock player over the Whisenhunt years.
Bring him to New England.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:26 PM
Bring him to New England.
Strong Safety. Maybe he can be our new Rodney Harrison.
Edited by jsinger121, 08 March 2013 - 12:27 PM.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:27 PM
Strong Safety. Maybe he can be our new Rodney Harrison.
Adrian Wilson and Devin McCourty could be your new safety tandem.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:30 PM
Adrian Wilson and Devin McCourty could be your new safety tandem.
With Tavon Wilson and Steve Gregory as top backups. That would be a solid depth position if they can land Wilson.
Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:30 PM
Bring him to New England.
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Posted 08 March 2013 - 12:34 PM
With Tavon Wilson and Steve Gregory as top backups. That would be a solid depth position if they can land Wilson.
He was only going to be owed $4.925 million this year so it makes me wonder how much he really does have left. But, a change of scenery for a player can do wonders. Back in 2006, I worked with the Cardinals and I specifically worked with the secondary grouping every day in practice. I got to know Adrian a bit and he truly loves the game. He would bring an attitude(kind of like Spikes and Talib in this manner) to the secondary and more of a physical presence. I really hope they can land him.
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