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#1 lxt

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

This is a simple continuation of the great discussion Tyrone Biggums started and we all enjoy with such enthusiasm.

Let's start with the fact we have a new 1B in Napoli.

#2 absintheofmalaise


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:15 PM

I moved the Lavarnway/Salty posts to the Lavarnway/Salty thread.

We already have a thread about first base. Talk about Napoli there please.

#3 lxt

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

The arbitrations are underway and the team is filling out ... Ellsbury, Salty, Aceves, Bailey, Bard, Miller, Morales & Hanrahan. Napoli is at 1B. The Club seems about ready to head off into the season. Spring training fires up in about a month, WBC to be played and then the season.

Is this team capable of making the playoffs? Is this an 80 win team? What does the line up look like? Will the starting rotation be able to produce? What about the pen? What do you think of the coaches?

Where will the Boys of Boston be come the end of this season?

#4 BeantownIdaho

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:48 PM

I think you are right with the team filling out, but according to Nick Cafardo the sox are still looking for a left handed 1b/outfield type. Would not rule out a trade with Seattle
https://twitter.com/nickcafardo/status/291539635165872130
link to tweet

With the saved cash from the Napoli deal I wonder if the Sox are looking at upgrading at another spot in the lineup or looking to take on significant salary in a trade. Of course they could just save the cash and wait until the deadline to see if they are indeed in position to be buyers.

Going into the season right now I would say the sox are a second wild card team at best. Of course this all based on teams on paper. A lot of things could happen between now and September...or even May.

#5 Sampo Gida

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

The starters are for the most part all set.

The lineup most nights probably looks like this, although you can argue the order .

Ellsbury
Pedroia
Papi
Napoli
Victorino
WMB
Gomes
Salty
Drew


And the bench, Ross, Nava, Ciriaco, Player X (1B/OF- maybe Gomez if no trade or additional signing is made),


The rotation seems set with

Lester
Buchholz
Lackey
Doubront
Dempster

And the bullpen could look like this

Hanrahan
Bailey
Morales
Aceves
Tazawa
Breslow
Uehara
Mortenson??

The key for this team is it must stay reasonably healthy. This does not mean no injuries, just avoiding too many to critical players such as Pedroia, Papi, Ellsbury, Lester, Buchholz, Hanrahan and Bailey

I think they win 88 +/-7. The degree of injuries will dictate the +/-. Unlike the last few years, the team has money to fill holes at the trading deadline

The Yankees, Orioles and Rays all look weaker to me. Toronto is obviously quite a bit stronger but I have doubts about their manager. I would not rule out a shot at the division if things go right. If they don't, we may be battling for 4th place.

edit- Uehara

Edited by Sampo Gida, 20 January 2013 - 06:30 PM.


#6 alwyn96

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:38 AM

I think you are right with the team filling out, but according to Nick Cafardo the sox are still looking for a left handed 1b/outfield type. Would not rule out a trade with Seattle
https://twitter.com/...539635165872130

With the saved cash from the Napoli deal I wonder if the Sox are looking at upgrading at another spot in the lineup or looking to take on significant salary in a trade. Of course they could just save the cash and wait until the deadline to see if they are indeed in position to be buyers.

Going into the season right now I would say the sox are a second wild card team at best. Of course this all based on teams on paper. A lot of things could happen between now and September...or even May.


Nick Cafardo is maybe the dumbest Red Sox writer out there, but Mike Carp might not be a bad option from Seattle. Seattle's already made a dumb trade for Morse, and with Bay, Ibanez, Morales, and Smoak, there aren't a lot of places left for an out-of-options Mike Carp. Now, Carp stinks at fielding, he's often injured, and he was pretty lousy last year, but if you squint he's like a LH Jerry Sands. For what that's worth. Which probably isn't much.

Of course, Mark Hamilton is also on the team and I'm not sure Carp is much of an improvement over him, but you never know when you might find the next Ludwick-style late bloomer.

Edited by alwyn96, 19 January 2013 - 04:40 AM.


#7 lxt

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:42 AM

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#8 lxt

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:11 PM

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And the bullpen could look like this

Hanrahan
Bailey
Morales
Aceves
Tazawa
Breslow
Mortenson

You don't have Bard or Uehara which I find odd. You would rather have Mortenson than either of them, Why?

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#9 Sampo Gida

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

You don't have Bard or Uehara which I find odd. You would rather have Mortenson than either of them, Why?


Missed Uehara. As for Bard, he has to prove he can pitch effectively again, and I would prefer Mortenson at this point.. Not on my 25 man roster until he does..

Edited by Sampo Gida, 20 January 2013 - 06:34 PM.


#10 FinanceAdvice

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

The starters are for the most part all set.

The lineup most nights probably looks like this, although you can argue the order .

Ellsbury
Pedroia
Papi
Napoli
Victorino
WMB
Gomes
Salty
Drew


And the bench, Ross, Nava, Ciriaco, Player X (1B/OF- maybe Gomez if no trade or additional signing is made),


The rotation seems set with

Lester
Buchholz
Lackey
Doubront
Dempster

And the bullpen could look like this

Hanrahan
Bailey
Morales
Aceves
Tazawa
Breslow
Uehara
Mortenson??

The key for this team is it must stay reasonably healthy. This does not mean no injuries, just avoiding too many to critical players such as Pedroia, Papi, Ellsbury, Lester, Buchholz, Hanrahan and Bailey

I think they win 88 +/-7. The degree of injuries will dictate the +/-. Unlike the last few years, the team has money to fill holes at the trading deadline

The Yankees, Orioles and Rays all look weaker to me. Toronto is obviously quite a bit stronger but I have doubts about their manager. I would not rule out a shot at the division if things go right. If they don't, we may be battling for 4th place.

edit- Uehara


For me it all begins and ends with starting pitching and there are far too many question marks in the starting rotation, top to bottom,to even consider making the playoffs. I honestly hope I'm wrong and that they do make the playoffs but with the starting rotation I think its highly unlikely.

will Lester get off to a good start, will he stop crying about any call that doesnt go his way and will he regain his form from years ago? and he is my favorite in the rotation.
will Buchholz remain healthy?
how can Dempster compete in tough AL East? will he suffer like he did in TX?
not to mention the thought of a 34 yo, with a bad attitude, coming off TJ surgery.

Dont get me wrong. I am an avid Red Sox fan for 37 years and want them to succeed but realistically I dont see how they can this year. Im waiting for the likes of DeLaRosa, Webster and Barnes

#11 lxt

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

For me it all begins and ends with starting pitching and there are far too many question marks in the starting rotation, top to bottom,to even consider making the playoffs. I honestly hope I'm wrong and that they do make the playoffs but with the starting rotation I think its highly unlikely.

will Lester get off to a good start, will he stop crying about any call that doesnt go his way and will he regain his form from years ago? and he is my favorite in the rotation.
will Buchholz remain healthy?
how can Dempster compete in tough AL East? will he suffer like he did in TX?
not to mention the thought of a 34 yo, with a bad attitude, coming off TJ surgery.

Dont get me wrong. I am an avid Red Sox fan for 37 years and want them to succeed but realistically I dont see how they can this year. Im waiting for the likes of DeLaRosa, Webster and Barnes


I agree it's about pitching. The pen I feel will be a strong point for the team in 2013. However, there are plenty of "What if" about the starting rotation. You present many of them well. If the starters can get the team through the sixth without much damage I think the pen can get them to a win. The offense will need to produce about 5 runs a game which is doable if they remain healthy. The defense I think will be fine, especially up the middle and RF.

I give them about 86 - 89 wins if all the "What if" turn out positive and the team remains generally healthy.

Not sure that gets them into the playoffs but it would be a solid step in the right direction.

#12 FinanceAdvice

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:50 PM


I agree it's about pitching. The pen I feel will be a strong point for the team in 2013. However, there are plenty of "What if" about the starting rotation. You present many of them well. If the starters can get the team through the sixth without much damage I think the pen can get them to a win. The offense will need to produce about 5 runs a game which is doable if they remain healthy. The defense I think will be fine, especially up the middle and RF.

I give them about 86 - 89 wins if all the "What if" turn out positive and the team remains generally healthy.

Not sure that gets them into the playoffs but it would be a solid step in the right direction.

Your asessment of getting 5 runs per game was perhaps the thinking of Cherington in signing the likes of Napoli and Victorino.  I believe his plan was to concentrate on getting some strong power hitting to help the "ifs" in the starting rotation.  5 runs or 6 might do it and the BP should be able to hold even a small lead.  I think its possible to get 86 wins (originally I thought a .500 season was thier best but I try to be optimistic.)  86 might not get to the playoffs but its possible that all the what ifs turn to their favor.  Id love to see Lester bounce back.  I mean what he did in battling cancer must make getting back into form like a walk in the park.

 

On a related note, Pedro as special assistant might be an ace in the hole to help the SP. I think I read somewhere that Pedro saw a glitch in Lester's delivery that contributed to his problems.  I think hes an  excellent addition to help the pitching.  Although Im biased and have considered Pedro my all time favorite.



#13 lxt

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

Not only Pedro but also Varitek. I even heard Wakefield will be working with the team.

 

I think the Sox have built a respectable team, filled with baseball players, that will go out each day and try to win. This group will push the youngsters and help guys like Peddy & Ells to stay in the game because they know they have others to lean on.

 

The potential is there for a solid performance this year that could make your 500 season more than reasonable, 86 a strong possibility and 88 – 89 a reasonable stretch.

 

It’s all up to the rotation to keep them in the game … no more 5 – 6 runs given up by the fourth inning.

 

No more excuses, it is time to step up or get out of the way.


 



#14 Stanley Steamer

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:44 PM

For me it all begins and ends with starting pitching and there are far too many question marks in the starting rotation, top to bottom,to even consider making the playoffs. I honestly hope I'm wrong and that they do make the playoffs but with the starting rotation I think its highly unlikely.

will Lester get off to a good start, will he stop crying about any call that doesnt go his way and will he regain his form from years ago? and he is my favorite in the rotation.
will Buchholz remain healthy?
how can Dempster compete in tough AL East? will he suffer like he did in TX?
not to mention the thought of a 34 yo, with a bad attitude, coming off TJ surgery.

Dont get me wrong. I am an avid Red Sox fan for 37 years and want them to succeed but realistically I dont see how they can this year. Im waiting for the likes of DeLaRosa, Webster and Barnes


Well said, though in as much I appreciate the realism, I find it a tad pessimistic. Indeed there are a lot of question marks in the rotation, but just as many opportunities. There is so much room to improve on last year's effort that if even 2 of Lackey, Lester, and Dempster are able to put up about 15 wins, they could be in great shape. Alot has to go right, but the division is so up in the air right now. Inevitably, 1-2 teams will get beaten down by July. The Sox could definitely be one of them. But they could also catch some breaks and win 90+.
I don't think I can hazard a guess as to how many games they'll win this year. It's quite a wide range, to my eye.

#15 nameless

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:03 PM

Weighted 3 year average fWAR projects the 2013 Red Sox to win 89 games. 

 

Optimized lineups:

vs RHP
Ellsbury
Napoli
Pedroia
Ortiz
[Ross]
Nava
Middlebrooks
Drew
[Saltalamacchia]
Victorino


vs LHP
Gomes
Napoli
Middlebrooks
Victorino
Pedroia
Ortiz
[Ross]
Ellsbury
Drew
[Saltalamacchia]
 



#16 Hugh G Rection

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

With Kalish missing what appears to be the entire Spring, it is more important than ever that a trade be made for a Left -Handed hitting OUtfielder who could play some 1st base on occasion. Nava probably will win the job as a platoon mate for Gomes, but I was hoping a healthy Kalish could come in this year and be healthy and realize the potential we saw in 2010 and as a quick moving prospect.



#17 lxt

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:55 AM

Weighted 3 year average fWAR projects the 2013 Red Sox to win 89 games. 

 

Optimized lineups:

vs RHP
Ellsbury
Napoli
Pedroia
Ortiz
[Ross]
Nava
Middlebrooks
Drew
[Saltalamacchia]
Victorino


vs LHP
Gomes
Napoli
Middlebrooks
Victorino
Pedroia
Ortiz
[Ross]
Ellsbury
Drew
[Saltalamacchia]
 

 

Not sure I'd go with Napoli in the 2nd hole as his speed would be a handcap on the base paths. I'd go with Pedroia 2nd Vs RHP and Victorino 2nd Vs LHP. Put some speed up in front of Napoli's and Ortiz's bats. It's not a very fast team unless Ellsbury, Victorion & Pedroia are up in front.

 

What about:

Ellsbury

Victorino

Pedroia

Ortiz

Napoli

Middlebrooks

Gomes/Sweeney/Nava

Drew

Salty/Ross  ... move players according to L/R and their individual performances but keep speed in front of the lumber. Not sure of Gomes speed or Sweeney which may provide other options ... Middlebrooks seemed to be able to move on the base paths but his power would be more useful behind runners on base.


Edited by lxt, 26 January 2013 - 08:58 AM.


#18 alwyn96

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

Weighted 3 year average fWAR projects the 2013 Red Sox to win 89 games. 

 

Optimized lineups:

vs RHP
Ellsbury
Napoli
Pedroia
Ortiz
[Ross]
Nava
Middlebrooks
Drew
[Saltalamacchia]
Victorino


vs LHP
Gomes
Napoli
Middlebrooks
Victorino
Pedroia
Ortiz
[Ross]
Ellsbury
Drew
[Saltalamacchia]
 

 

How exactly are you using fWAR to predict wins? I don't think you can just add up projected WAR to get win totals. 



#19 alwyn96

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

With Kalish missing what appears to be the entire Spring, it is more important than ever that a trade be made for a Left -Handed hitting OUtfielder who could play some 1st base on occasion. Nava probably will win the job as a platoon mate for Gomes, but I was hoping a healthy Kalish could come in this year and be healthy and realize the potential we saw in 2010 and as a quick moving prospect.

 

For what it's worth, the Red Sox signed Ryan Sweeney to a minor league deal, so he could compete for the job. I don't think he's ever played 1B in a professional game, though. 


Edited by alwyn96, 26 January 2013 - 03:21 PM.


#20 Rich Garces Belly

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:19 PM

If I was making the lineup for the Sox it would be based a lot on 2012, with the exception of Napoli (I believe he will hit lefties better in 2013 then he did in 2012).  For the top spot I would want someone who gets on base and with some speed, I do think Ellsbury will improve on 2012 in his contract year to avoid the Bourn effect.  Let me know what you think.  One issue I thought of is that someone could bring in a lefty specialist for Drew, Ellsbury, walk Pedroia, then for Ortiz, but Ellsbury and Ortiz have both shown the ability to hit lefties, so that is why I left the lineup like this.

 

vs. RHP

 

1.)    (L)    Ellsbury .310 OBP vs RHP in 2012

2.)    ®   Pedroia .775 OPS vs RHP in 2012

3.)    (L)   Ortiz 1.050 OPS vs RHP in 2012

4.)    ®   Napoli .869 OPS vs RHP in 2012

5.)    ®   Middlebrooks  .798 OPS vs RHP in shortened 2012

6.)    (L)   Nava  .797 OPS vs RHP in 2012

7.)    (S)   Salty  .779 OPS vs RHP in 2012,   ®  Ross .818 OPS vs RHP in 2012 filling in to keep both fresh during a stretch verse many RHP in a row

8.)    (L)   Drew  .697 OPS vs RHP in 2012

9.)    (S)  Victorino .629 OPS vs RHP in 2012

 

vs LHP

 

1.)    (L)     Ellsbury .318 OBP vs LHP in 2012

2.)    ®    Pedroia  .848 OPS vs LHP in 2012

3.)    (L)    Ortiz  .985 OPS vs LHP in 2012

4.)    ®    Gomes .974 OPS vs LHP in 2012

5.)    ®    Napoli  .706 OPS vs LHP in 2012, though a career .911 OPS

6.)    (S)    Victornio .906 OPS vs LHP in 2012

7.)    ®    Middlebrooks .906 OPS vs LHP in 2012

8.)    ®    Ross .712 OPS vs LHP in 2012

9.)    (L)     Drew .563 OPS vs LHP in 2012



#21 nameless

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

How exactly are you using fWAR to predict wins? I don't think you can just add up projected WAR to get win totals. 

 

Wins above replacement + replacement wins = pythagorean wins.

 

I calculated 3 year weighted average fWAR for the expected roster, but didn't regress anything or apply any age adjustments.   It's crude, but it should be reasonably close to what the sophisticated projection systems say. 



#22 Sampo Gida

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:43 AM

Wins above replacement + replacement wins = pythagorean wins.

 

I calculated 3 year weighted average fWAR for the expected roster, but didn't regress anything or apply any age adjustments.   It's crude, but it should be reasonably close to what the sophisticated projection systems say. 

What did you use for replacement wins, 48?

 

What do you mean exactly by weighted average.  Are you adjusting or weighting the 3 yr average toward a certain number of PA or games for each player? If so, how many games or PA.



#23 lxt

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

For all those who preached youth and the promise of Red Sox prospects in the recent MLB.com top 100 prospects only four Red Sox players made the list. All had promising seasons in double-A or lower. They are: Henry Owen LHP, Blake Swihart C, Xander Bogaerts SS & Jackie Bradley CF.

 

Now, that is a good list of candidates but none of them were expected to make a major impact at the ML level this season. So, maybe, just maybe the Sox did some good hiring the players they did with the contracts they got and plan for the future by giving these guys an opportunity to learn more in triple-A.

 

I look at the list and see players filling many key positions in the coming years. All of them seem to fit into a role we will most definitely need in the next couple of years.



#24 lxt

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:57 PM

If I was making the lineup for the Sox it would be based a lot on 2012, with the exception of Napoli (I believe he will hit lefties better in 2013 then he did in 2012).  For the top spot I would want someone who gets on base and with some speed, I do think Ellsbury will improve on 2012 in his contract year to avoid the Bourn effect.  Let me know what you think.  One issue I thought of is that someone could bring in a lefty specialist for Drew, Ellsbury, walk Pedroia, then for Ortiz, but Ellsbury and Ortiz have both shown the ability to hit lefties, so that is why I left the lineup like this.

 

vs. RHP

 

1.)    (L)    Ellsbury .310 OBP vs RHP in 2012

2.)    ®   Pedroia .775 OPS vs RHP in 2012

3.)    (L)   Ortiz 1.050 OPS vs RHP in 2012

4.)    ®   Napoli .869 OPS vs RHP in 2012

5.)    ®   Middlebrooks  .798 OPS vs RHP in shortened 2012

6.)    (L)   Nava  .797 OPS vs RHP in 2012

7.)    (S)   Salty  .779 OPS vs RHP in 2012,   ®  Ross .818 OPS vs RHP in 2012 filling in to keep both fresh during a stretch verse many RHP in a row

8.)    (L)   Drew  .697 OPS vs RHP in 2012

9.)    (S)  Victorino .629 OPS vs RHP in 2012

 

vs LHP

 

1.)    (L)     Ellsbury .318 OBP vs LHP in 2012

2.)    ®    Pedroia  .848 OPS vs LHP in 2012

3.)    (L)    Ortiz  .985 OPS vs LHP in 2012

4.)    ®    Gomes .974 OPS vs LHP in 2012

5.)    ®    Napoli  .706 OPS vs LHP in 2012, though a career .911 OPS

6.)    (S)    Victornio .906 OPS vs LHP in 2012

7.)    ®    Middlebrooks .906 OPS vs LHP in 2012

8.)    ®    Ross .712 OPS vs LHP in 2012

9.)    (L)     Drew .563 OPS vs LHP in 2012

Ellsbury's numbers are low for a lead off role. I imagine he'll improve in 2013. I like Ellsbury & Perdroia in the first two spots ... they did well in 2011. I'm hoping Drew & Victorino bring their numbers up this year. Gomes is the one that I hope surprises everyone, he could be the Ace in the hole.

 

I like it, plenty of contributors from top to bottom, not the 2003/4/7 crowd but I think one that will attack 1 - 9.



#25 Sampo Gida

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:02 PM

If I was making the lineup for the Sox it would be based a lot on 2012, with the exception of Napoli (I believe he will hit lefties better in 2013 then he did in 2012).  For the top spot I would want someone who gets on base and with some speed, I do think Ellsbury will improve on 2012 in his contract year to avoid the Bourn effect.  Let me know what you think.  One issue I thought of is that someone could bring in a lefty specialist for Drew, Ellsbury, walk Pedroia, then for Ortiz, but Ellsbury and Ortiz have both shown the ability to hit lefties, so that is why I left the lineup like this.

 

vs. RHP

 

1.)    (L)    Ellsbury .310 OBP vs RHP in 2012

2.)    ®   Pedroia .775 OPS vs RHP in 2012

3.)    (L)   Ortiz 1.050 OPS vs RHP in 2012

4.)    ®   Napoli .869 OPS vs RHP in 2012

5.)    ®   Middlebrooks  .798 OPS vs RHP in shortened 2012

6.)    (L)   Nava  .797 OPS vs RHP in 2012

7.)    (S)   Salty  .779 OPS vs RHP in 2012,   ®  Ross .818 OPS vs RHP in 2012 filling in to keep both fresh during a stretch verse many RHP in a row

8.)    (L)   Drew  .697 OPS vs RHP in 2012

9.)    (S)  Victorino .629 OPS vs RHP in 2012

 

vs LHP

 

1.)    (L)     Ellsbury .318 OBP vs LHP in 2012

2.)    ®    Pedroia  .848 OPS vs LHP in 2012

3.)    (L)    Ortiz  .985 OPS vs LHP in 2012

4.)    ®    Gomes .974 OPS vs LHP in 2012

5.)    ®    Napoli  .706 OPS vs LHP in 2012, though a career .911 OPS

6.)    (S)    Victornio .906 OPS vs LHP in 2012

7.)    ®    Middlebrooks .906 OPS vs LHP in 2012

8.)    ®    Ross .712 OPS vs LHP in 2012

9.)    (L)     Drew .563 OPS vs LHP in 2012

I believe Farrell has said he is thinking of having Victorino hit 2nd against LHP'ers.

 

Its a good lineup if everyone hits close to their career averages and most stay healthy.

 

On the downside, how does WMB hit coming off a wrist injury and in his sophomore year where pitchers have a book on him, Napoli with the hip time bomb in his mind, Papi off an achilles injury and 1 yr older with a 2 yr contract (no contract year).  Can Ellsbury, Drew and Pedey stay healthy.   Gomes is coming off a career year in a contract year so some regression seems likely.

 

I think if they are relatively healthy and the big 3 (Ellsbury, Pedey, Papi) perform offense probably won't be much of an issue.  Their fate probably will come down to the rotation performing at league average or better.



#26 nameless

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

What did you use for replacement wins, 48?

 

What do you mean exactly by weighted average.  Are you adjusting or weighting the 3 yr average toward a certain number of PA or games for each player? If so, how many games or PA.

 

43.5 replacement wins, simple weighting  (5 x fWAR[2012] + 3 x fWAR[2011] + 1 x fWAR [2010])/9.      



#27 alwyn96

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:22 PM

43.5 replacement wins, simple weighting  (5 x fWAR[2012] + 3 x fWAR[2011] + 1 x fWAR [2010])/9.      

 

Fair enough, although I like the less crude (although also mostly useless) CAIRO predictions a little better, although not as much the result, which predicts an 83-win team.

 

Also, it involves me doing no math, which is an added bonus.


Edited by alwyn96, 29 January 2013 - 10:48 PM.


#28 lxt

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:30 AM

Well the team looks set and the truck has taken off to Florida. We have our team and on Monday the season gets underway. Lots of luck and success to the boys.



#29 LostinNJ

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:36 PM

They'll be better, enough so that they will be legitimate contenders for the postseason until pretty late in the season. For that reason, and because they got rid of certain personalities. they will be a fun team to root for. That's enough for me. In 2014 we should expect more, and in 2015 we should expect a whole lot. For now, it's just about enjoying baseball.



#30 Sampo Gida

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:12 AM

They'll be better, enough so that they will be legitimate contenders for the postseason until pretty late in the season. For that reason, and because they got rid of certain personalities. they will be a fun team to root for. That's enough for me. In 2014 we should expect more, and in 2015 we should expect a whole lot. For now, it's just about enjoying baseball.

 

On paper this team does not look any better than last years team going into ST.  Stronger bullpen, less uncertainty in the rotation offset by a downgrade at 1B, and hoping that Papi recovers from that achilles tendon injury, and that Drew can stay healthy at SS.   Better manager, although most people seemed to like Bobby V fine at this time last year.

 

The only negative personality the Red Sox lost to my mind was Beckett and he is replaced by a healthy Lackey.  Agon got too much grief over his comments in 2011 I thought.  I actually liked guys like Cody Ross, Aviles and Atchison,  and they are gone.

 

Don't know much about the personality of Gomes, Napoli, Victorino, Drew, Dempster, Ross, Uehara and Hanrahan.  Maybe they turn out to be good guys we like, supposed to be, but too early to say.

 

Our hopes for 2014 seem to depend on preventing prospects from getting hurt, sick or shot and developing as expected.  IAt this time last year we thought Iglesiais, Lavarnway and Kalish would be starting to open 2013, didn't happen.  Maybe the killer B's suffer a better fate.






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