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[Zomp]

Confirmed by the club.

Huge news.

[teddykgb]

Huge news indeed.

Somewhere Rafa Benitez is doing whatever dances fat spanish waiters do.

[Zomp]

I don't think this means Rafa is staying, but it does mean I haven't the foggiest fucking idea who is going to take over Chelsea next.

[cjdmadcow]

Great news. Now the delusional Chelsea fans can either decide to treat Rafa with a little more respect or continue to show the world just how ridiculous a club it is.

On to Pep...he'll come to the Premier League at some point in the future, more experienced than he is now, which should make him even better.

Good luck to him, always comes across as a decent man.

[DLew On Roids]

Wow. I was sure he was going to Man City.

[allaboutthesox]

Very interesting hire. Bayern Munich fans have to estatic about this news.

[SoxFanInPdx]

Bayern Munich is always must watch for me as it is, but this will be something else. I love the Bundesliga. Shame there is a lack of coverage here in the states because I think it's only trailing the EPL by only a slim margin as far as quality.

If Klopp stays at Dortmund for a while, those Bayern Munich Vs. Borussia Dortmund matches will be must see TV for me.

Edited by SoxFanInPdx, 16 January 2013 - 02:14 PM.

[bosox4283]

Mourihno back to Chelsea? He could be out of Madrid if they get shut out this year (that is, they do not win La Copa and/or the Champions League).

I would have bet $100 Guardiola was headed to Man City. Rumors are already flying that Guardiola might bring in Raul, of Real Madrid, to be his right-hand man.

[EP Sox Fan]

Three year deal? In other news, Sir Alex will continue as United manager for another three years. IMO, if Pep is going to coach in the Premiere League, it's going to be as Sir Alex's replacement when he retires.

[Zomp]

Funny, I always felt it would be Mourinho that takes over.

[DLew On Roids]

I thought the whole point of dressing like the Angel of Death at the Liverpool match was to try to scare Ferguson out of the job.

[bosox4283]

Three year deal? In other news, Sir Alex will continue as United manager for another three years. IMO, if Pep is going to coach in the Premiere League, it's going to be as Sir Alex's replacement when he retires.

I think you are on target. To the outside observer, Man U seems like a much better coaching job than Man City or Chelsea.

[Snakebauer007]

I think you are on target. To the outside observer, Man U seems like a much better coaching job than Man City or Chelsea.

It's clearly better than the Chelsea job, but Mourinho goes to teams that let hims pend what ever he wants, perfect for City

[allaboutthesox]

Three year deal? In other news, Sir Alex will continue as United manager for another three years. IMO, if Pep is going to coach in the Premiere League, it's going to be as Sir Alex's replacement when he retires.

I have figured it would be Mourinho or Moyes that will step in for Sir Alex.

[twoBshorty]

Three year deal? In other news, Sir Alex will continue as United manager for another three years. IMO, if Pep is going to coach in the Premiere League, it's going to be as Sir Alex's replacement when he retires.

Well, Bayern has only had one manager last 3 years since the Wall came down, so maybe not.

[Zomp]

Reports from Bild today are that Bayern have matched the buy out clause of Mario Goetze's contract, and he has agreed to join the club.  IF this is true, I think Guardiola's prints are all over this decision.

 

Goetze is the perfect player for Bayern to play a false 9 with. 

[SoxFanInPdx]

Reports from Bild today are that Bayern have matched the buy out clause of Mario Goetze's contract, and he has agreed to join the club.  IF this is true, I think Guardiola's prints are all over this decision.

 

Goetze is the perfect player for Bayern to play a false 9 with. 

 

Have always loved Munchen, only club I support more than them is Liverpool. However, I am not sure about the Götze rumor. I mean, as much as I love to watch him play and would love to have him on Bayern, I wonder why Dortmund would send him to a rival? Seemed that either Manchester clubs were going to get in a bidding war for him. Will be interesting how this shakes out.

[Apisith]

Dortmund wouldn't have a choice if Bayern matched the 37m clause in his contract. It would be a troubling development for the Bundesliga. Bayern normally hoover up talent but this would be far more damaging. It would also make the De Bruyne to Dortmund rumour much more realistic.

[SoxFanInPdx]

Dortmund wouldn't have a choice if Bayern matched the 37m clause in his contract. It would be a troubling development for the Bundesliga. Bayern normally hoover up talent but this would be far more damaging. It would also make the De Bruyne to Dortmund rumour much more realistic.

[SoxFanInPdx]

Durrr, my mistake. Totally spaced the buyout clause portion. Damn insomnia.

Edited by SoxFanInPdx, 23 April 2013 - 03:01 AM.

[Schnerres]

Huge transfer for Bayern and german national team.

 

If Dortmund knew about this earlier, they would have made a move for Schürrle. Let´s see if he already signed his papers for Chelsea or is still available. They have the money and the positional need to get him and he doesn´t have a history with Schalke or Bayern or whoever. Came up from Mainz, now Leverkusen and would fit in nice at Dortmund.

 

Let´s see how both teams perform in the CL semis. I am really looking forward to the matches.

[soxfan121]

Huge transfer for Bayern and german national team.

 

Can you say some more? 

[AgentOrange]

I'm not one of those guys who roots for big clubs in every league, but I admired the hell out of the way Dortmund built their team. The question now is who among Gundogan, Klopp, and Lewandowski follow Gotze out this summer. They'll have plenty of money to spend on replacements and their scouting is obviously brilliant, but it seems a step back or two is in order. And that's too bad.

[Schnerres]

Can you say some more? 

 

Regarding german national team:

When Dortmund loses an integral part of their future and one of their best players who could become one of the best 5 players in the world, this changes a lot for german national team.

 

I´ve had a feeling that when national team players came together, everything was balanced, proven by the last two championships by Dortmund and Bayerns dominating play this season and CL runs. But with this, you could basically field (almost) a whole team with Bayern players (Neuer, Lahm, Boateng, Badstuber, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Götze, Müller, Götze who could all start, together).

When you see the growing interest in Hummels from the big market teams (someone from Barca, Real, ManU has to get him), they could face big reload after WC´14.

They have Reus, Gündogan, Bender, Hummels, Schmelzer, still a great group, but the balance is clearly shifting. Maybe Dortmund could snatch Schürrle...

[Schnerres]

I'm not one of those guys who roots for big clubs in every league, but I admired the hell out of the way Dortmund built their team. The question now is who among Gundogan, Klopp, and Lewandowski follow Gotze out this summer. They'll have plenty of money to spend on replacements and their scouting is obviously brilliant, but it seems a step back or two is in order. And that's too bad.

 

 

Gündogan isn´t going anywhere this summer. He said he will play the next season in Dortmund, 100%. (my translation, but that was what he said in german paper SportBILD). He has a contract until 2015 and wants to get a longer contract. It´s easy to see why: he thinks more money and buy-out clause. If it isn´t getting done, he could leave next summer for smaller money.

 

Lewandowski could leave this summer, but i doubt it. Dortmund says everywhere he will stay. Could be a bluff, but as they now have enough money to make a big move (spend 25mil on Schürrle) and keep Lewandowski and still make a profit, why not? If they don´t get a replacement a la Gomez or Son from HSV, i don´t see a need to let him go.

 

And why the hell should Klopp leave? He had a contract until next summer (2014) and extended it for another two seasons (2016). I could see an opt-out for him if Jogi leaves team Germany after WC14 and Klopp is in the talking, but national team and daily training at a club are different worlds, so we may never see him for team Germany.

 

Edit: Hummels is the one generating the most interest from international clubs, but i don´t see him leaving, yet. I don´t think he would switch clubs/leagues before the WC and he still has 3 more years of his contract running. Maybe after Brazil...

Edited by Schnerres, 23 April 2013 - 10:48 AM.

[sachmoney]

Strange to see Dortmund lose a player like this, but it certainly isn't surprising. Bayern's economic power just dwarfs that of its competitors.

[Schnerres]

Just WOW:

http://www.sport1.de...kel_708427.html

 

article basically says that there was a "warrant of arrest" (i don´t know if that´s the correct term) for U.Hoeneß. He was released for a bond of 5mil. Euro on 20th of march.

Really, if he paid that much money just to get released for a few weeks maybe, then how much money is there involved in his Bratwurst-company? That is insane.

[Homa]

Hoeness' company has revenues of ca 45m € per year. That won't make him a billionaire even with a generous salary at Bayern.

 

Why should Dortmund buy Schürrle? They already have a similar but better player in Reus. I have to admit that I'm somewhat baffled by Chelsea's continued interest in him. Schürrle is a nice player but not on a level of Götze or Reus or Kroos. At least he should be better than Marin...

[SoxFanInPdx]

I don't see what the big deal really is about Bayern triggering the buy-out clause. Götze is from Bavaria and his boyhood club is Bayern Munich and they had a need at that position. Dortmund did the same thing when signing Reus (originally from Dortmund) from an up and coming Mönchengladbach squad. As long as Klopp is managing BvB and they have the same great scouts, they'll reload.

[Schnerres]

Why should Dortmund buy Schürrle? They already have a similar but better player in Reus. I have to admit that I'm somewhat baffled by Chelsea's continued interest in him. Schürrle is a nice player but not on a level of Götze or Reus or Kroos. At least he should be better than Marin...

 

They need 11 players on the field, you know? Reus and Schürrle can play forward and on the wing. Götze started there, too. In Dortmunds 4-2-3-1 system you need versatile players. YOu have Lewandowski in front and Götze in the middle, Reus on the left, Kuba on the right. Reus is as versatile as Götze, so it would be a natural fit to place Schürrle on the left wing and Reus behind Lewandowski on Götzes position.

 

 

I don't see what the big deal really is about Bayern triggering the buy-out clause. Götze is from Bavaria and his boyhood club is Bayern Munich and they had a need at that position. Dortmund did the same thing when signing Reus (originally from Dortmund) from an up and coming Mönchengladbach squad. As long as Klopp is managing BvB and they have the same great scouts, they'll reload.

 

It is not that big deal. But when one of the best players of his generation and possibly one of the best ever changes from one of the best german clubs to the best german team who year-in and year-out buys the best players and then buys Götze (a 20-year-old) for 37mil.€, it creates big waves and the fans of course go nuts (of course this argument is silly, as they would do the same with other players as you said).

 

With the internet and so much money involved these days, players face really much hate. When Manuel Neuer was bought from Schalke, he was hated from Bayern fans and from Schalke fans a lot, although he played really great for Team Germany. Ulli Hoeneß stepped up and spoke a powerful word to the fans. But without Neuer being a good keeper, this would not have ended well.

Same could be with Götze. He gets time, yes, but he already faces a lot of hate, but does not face the pressure, yet. When he will be at Bayern, there will be a lot at stake to perform. When Javi Martinez came for the huge money, everybody said "why did they spend so much money for the guy??" and nobody really knew him really. Bayern eased him into the starting eleven for a half season and now they have their star who will be playing for Team Spain at WC´14.

This won´t be so easy for Götze next summer. If he isn´t performing great or is injured or sits on the bench or whatever happens, then he will face a lot of steam instantly.

[DLew On Roids]

I don't think the gravity of the Hoeness situation at Bayern can be overstated.  He's as important to them as Ferguson is to Man U.  If he can't continue due to his own legal troubles, they'll have serious issues down the road when the current squad needs to be replenished.  They'll need his input because the new Bundesliga TV deal is going to start leveling the playing field in Germany--Bayern won't be able to treat the rest of the league like the Yankees used to treat the Royals as often as they have in the past.

[SoxFanInPdx]

Speaking of the upcoming Bundesliga TV deal, what is the timeline of that being completed? Only channel I've been able to watch Bundesliga matches was on GOL TV. Been wanting more chances to watch for years.

[AgentOrange]

Bayern announce Lewandowski signing so there's another one gone. As for why the hell Klopp should leave? If Madrid want him he will leave because they are Madrid, and also filthy rich.

[sachmoney]

Just a quick question, would Götze have had the option to decline the deal after Bayern matched the release clause? Has that happened before?

[DLew On Roids]

Sure, this isn't a trade.  Once the release clause is triggered, Bayern still had to reach contract terms with him.

[Schnerres]

lol, this is not slavery like the NBA, where someone gets traded to a club and is then "owned"...

Bayern had the chance to buy him, like everyone else, but they can only buy him if he signs a contract.

[bosox4283]

Bayern announce Lewandowski signing so there's another one gone. As for why the hell Klopp should leave? If Madrid want him he will leave because they are Madrid, and also filthy rich.

 

What are Bundesliga fans saying? These two signings seem terrible for the league. 

[sachmoney]

Sure, this isn't a trade.  Once the release clause is triggered, Bayern still had to reach contract terms with him.

I mean, I know that. Are there specific examples of this happening? I can't think of this occurring in the last few years, but you (and others) might know more than me on this...

[Infield Infidel]

Demba Ba

[DLew On Roids]

I mean, I know that. Are there specific examples of this happening? I can't think of this occurring in the last few years, but you (and others) might know more than me on this...

 

 

Because of the agent system, these things tend to be wrapped up before they become public, since the buying team doesn't want the selling team to know they're pulling the trigger until it happens.  The player's agent can tell the buying team the player's release clause figure, then negotiate the deal, without the selling team knowing.  It isn't supposed to happen that way--it's considered tampering--but considering how many teams walk in and offer the player's exact release clause figure, it'd be naive to think it doesn't.  Liverpool did it with Joe Allen last year, for example.

 

According to Raphael Honigstein, Lewandowski doesn't have a release clause, but he's agreed to a contract with Bayern.  Bayern is offering Dortmund 25M euros, and since Lewandowski is out of contract in 2014, if he wants to go, Dortmund is likely to take the best offer they get this summer.  What I don't get is why Lewandowski doesn't wait and then pocket a healthy percentage of that 25M for himself in 2014.  If Bayern is willing to pay 25M + X for his contract now, if he has another great season, won't they be willing to pay the same thing next summer?

[Schnerres]

In the radio news i heard that Dortmund officials (including coach Klopp) said that they don´t have a deal and were not contacted by Bayern for Lewandowski. He sure seems to go there and Bayern would want to pay for him, but as Dortmund got a lot of money for Götze+got a ton of money through the Champions League this season, they could now look for a replacement and if they don´t find someone, keep Lewandowski.