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#1 SeoulSoxFan


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:22 PM

Hats & t-shirts baby! Here are the game balls, AFCE Champ edition:
  • Welker: ho-hum 12/103 day
  • Wilfork & the boys: limits Bush to 65 yards. Tough all day. Trevor Scott comes out of coma.
Special mention to McD for having the most balanced attack since.... ever?

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:41 PM

Sweet Leaf had a few drops, but otherwise looked good in establishing separation. Speaks well of his recovery from the ankle injury.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:50 PM

Ridley for running hard on a really tough run defense.

#4 DegenerateSoxFan

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:51 PM

Solder. Didn't hear his his name much, but every time my eye was drawn to him, he was making a quality block.

Wilfork. Just f&$@ing beasting. Spikes too.

Not as dominant a victory as we'd like, but you ALWAYS take a divisional win on the road. Especially while clinching a postseason spot with some key players (e.g. Gronk & Mankins) resting & recovering.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:54 PM

Wilfork was awesome. Also to the o line for taking over the final 7 minutes.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:58 PM

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:01 PM

Josh McDaniels, for doing a mean Weis impersonation from 2004 on that final drive. Run the ball down their throats, burn a ton of time off the clock, and put the game away. Fukkin' boner-inducing.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:25 PM

Josh McDaniels, for doing a mean Weis impersonation from 2004 on that final drive. Run the ball down their throats, burn a ton of time off the clock, and put the game away. Fukkin' boner-inducing.


Agreed, and this was especially true when they got inside the 10. In a similar situation against the Bills they were too aggressive pursuing the touchdown and ended up with 3 points and a bunch of time left.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:28 PM

Josh McDaniels, for doing a mean Weis impersonation from 2004 on that final drive. Run the ball down their throats, burn a ton of time off the clock, and put the game away. Fukkin' boner-inducing.

Over 7 minutes of time off the clock, plus all three Dolphin timeouts, plus points on the board. The defense carried most of the day, but the offense closed big.

Edited by ragnarok725, 02 December 2012 - 05:29 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:34 PM

Josh McDaniels, for doing a mean Weis impersonation from 2004 on that final drive. Run the ball down their throats, burn a ton of time off the clock, and put the game away. Fukkin' boner-inducing.


Yup. I might need to consult a physician.

Wilfork, Mayo & Scott all had excellent days on the defensive side of the ball. Mayo's sack of Tannehill was textbook in the new NFL.

And also a game ball to the KC Chiefs players & especially to Romeo Crennel.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:06 PM

Agreed, and this was especially true when they got inside the 10. In a similar situation against the Bills they were too aggressive pursuing the touchdown and ended up with 3 points and a bunch of time left.

The difference was they were only up 3 in the Bills game, so they needed a TD to make it a two-score game. Today they were already up 7, so they only need a FG to make the difference two scores.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:50 PM

Dennard completely shut down Davone Bess today. Before you scoff, Bess torched Seattle for 129 yards last week. Today? 6 targets, one catch for 13 yards.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:11 PM

Is this Wilforks best season? Because he's certainly playing out of his mind.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:46 PM

Front 7: Wilfork was his typical nasty self, while Scott and Nink supplied pressure. Mayo had a good game, with a monster hit on Tannehill in the 2nd half. Spikes actually showed some competency against the pass.

Welker: Basic 10 catch/100yd game for Wes, and had the defense scrambled all over the field.

Ghost: Yeah he missed a FG, but he nailed the one that mattered and was a beast on kickoffs.

McDaniels: Like everybody else said, orchestrated a great game ending drive, where we showed the ability to run the ball and control the clock.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:47 PM

Dennard completely shut down Davone Bess today. Before you scoff, Bess torched Seattle for 129 yards last week. Today? 6 targets, one catch for 13 yards.

Bess largely plays in the slot, which would be Arrington's territory, no?

Edited by ragnarok725, 02 December 2012 - 07:48 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:48 PM

The difference was they were only up 3 in the Bills game, so they needed a TD to make it a two-score game. Today they were already up 7, so they only need a FG to make the difference two scores.


It's true, but their sequence of run on quick snap, pass, pass was stupid. They had the ball inside the 5 with around 2:40 or so and left the Bills with 2:07 and 2 timeouts. Obviously you go for the touchdown there, but it's still important to run as much clock as possible.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:18 PM

1: Wilfork. Man is he good.
2: Welker. He's really good, too.
3: lots of candidates, but I think I'll go with the secondary -- I know they were going against an inaccurate rookie QB, but this is the first time I remember the Pats getting coverage sacks in....a long time. Arrington's playing much better in the slot, as someone else mentioned Dennard was good vs Bess , and Talib and McCourty blew that one coverage deep but overall both have been really solid.

negative balls to:
1: Hernandez for his two drops.
2: Woodhead for a terrible run on that screen where he had 3 blockers and what looked like a ton of space, but ran up over his own blocker and basically blew up the play (admittedly I didn't see a good replay, so could be wrong on that).
3: Gost -- yeah, he made the one for money, but.....he's just missing too many FGs overall.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:22 PM

Bess largely plays in the slot, which would be Arrington's territory, no?


Most of the time, he was covered by Dennard since the Dolphins had him split out opposite Hartline much of the game.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:31 PM

The play where Vince shoved the guy he was blocking backward and then nonchalantly picked up that fumble was a sneaky-great play. He just seems to know everything that's going on on the field at all times. What a player.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:13 PM

Is this Wilforks best season? Because he's certainly playing out of his mind.


Definitely not. I thought he played pretty poor compared to his usual standards until the bye week. Since then he's been beastly though.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:06 AM

2: Welker. He's really good, too.

negative balls to:
1: Hernandez for his two drops.

With all due respect, Welker dropped a SURE TD. Hit him in the chest. They had to settle for a FG. It was bad. Hernandez had two drops, but Welker had a way bigger than Hernandez did.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:04 AM

Definitely not. I thought he played pretty poor compared to his usual standards until the bye week. Since then he's been beastly though.


Really? I remember Wilfork and Jones being the only bright spots on the defense for most of the beginning of the year, the Baltimore game being the only time where it seemed like they really struggled against the run. I was going to agree with KFP, but if this isn't his best year I think it is his most dynamic. Where he used to be a run stuffer that they would just clog the middle of the field with, he seems to have taken on a much more active role in the past year and a half, probably because the progression of the players around him allow him to. I just don't remember him being quite so single-handedly disruptive in the past. Whether it's shrugging off two blockers to bring a running back down one handed in the hole, something he does weekly, or collapsing the pocket on the biggest play of the game, he just seems to be EVERYWHERE this year.

#23 JJ17

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:19 AM

Matt Slater. He got down the field in a hurry on special teams with a couple of great tackles, plus was first man in on the muffed punt, if memory serves.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:16 AM

Josh McDaniels, for doing a mean Weis impersonation from 2004 on that final drive. Run the ball down their throats, burn a ton of time off the clock, and put the game away. Fukkin' boner-inducing.


This. Last year we would have run 3 pass plays that took a total of 55 seconds off the clock and punted. It was so nice to seem them dominate the dolphins defense and march up the field when they needed to.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:22 AM

Definitely not. I thought he played pretty poor compared to his usual standards until the bye week. Since then he's been beastly though.


My instinct is to punch you in the nutsack right now, but you may be right. I'm not going to say definitively that it's been his best year, but I really don't remember him playing poorly at all this year. When he plays poorly its noticeable (the Baltimore game comes to mind, as PRG pointed out), and I don't really recall ever thinking he was less than very good. I also think that the inside linemen can/should be judged on the players he's freeing up with double teams. Spikes has been fantastic most of the year against the run due in large part to Wilfork.

I think we've been spoiled (again). It's so rare for fans to notice interior defensive linemen. They can fill their role beautifully without getting their name called all game. There's players lined up right beside Wilfork (Love, Cunningham, Deaderick, Scott, etc.) that you barely hear mentioned during the game. That's normal for 90% of defensive linemen. Here's the list of 4-3 interior linemen who have more tackles than Wilfork:

Brandon Mebane, Seattle: 48 tackles
Dwan Edwards, Carolina: 47 tackles
Jurrell Casey, Titans: 39 tackles
Justin Bannan, Denver: 37 tackles
C.J. Mosley, Jacksonville: 37 tackles
Tyson Alualu, Jacksonville: 36 tackles
Vince Wilfork, Patriots: 35 tackles

Now, here's the list of rushing attempts against these teams:

Jacksonville, 406 attempts (ranked 32nd)
Tennessee, 365 attempts (ranked 28th)
Carolina, 349 attempts (ranked 25th)
Denver, 323 attempts (ranked 17th)
New England, 311 attempts (ranked 15th)
Seattle, 292 attempts (ranked 5th)

And just to put them all on the same playing field, here is the % of tackles each player accounts for against the run (these numbers include sacks as well):

Brandon Mebane: 16.4%
Dwan Edwards: 13.4%
Justin Bannan, Denver: 11.4%
Vince Wilfork, Patriots: 11.2%
Jurrell Casey, Titans: 10.6%
C.J. Mosley, Jacksonville: 9.1%
Tyson Alualu, Jacksonville: 8.8%

While we're here, I'd also like to mention that only Denver (3.6 YPA, 3rd overall) has a better rushing defense than New England (3.9 YPA, 9th overall). Tennessee (16th), Jacksonville (17th), Carolina (22nd), and Seattle (24th) are all in the bottom half of the league against the run. My natural instinct, then, is to say that Wilfork and Bannan (the two players with the lowest sack total of the group) do the best jobs at filling their lanes and not allowing creases for backs to run through.

One could probably argue that Bannan and Wilfork have been the two best 4-3 defensive linemen in the league this year, both accounting for more than 10% of team tackles against the run while leading their team to top 10 rushing defenses. The Patriots defense also have faced cumulatively tougher rushing opponents. I took the rushing rank of Patriots and Broncos opponents (1 through 32) and divided it by games played to see the average rank of opponent. The Patriots averaged out to 16.4 while the Broncos graded out 2 points worse with an 18.5. In fact, the Patriots top 5 rushing opponents were ranked:

3rd (Buffalo)
3rd (Buffalo)
6th (Tennessee)
10 (St Louis)
11 (Seattle)

while Denver squared up against:

7th (Kansas City)
8th (Tampa Bay)
13th (New England)
14th (New Orleans)
15th (Carolina)

So, while I don't have an exact reference point to how big of a gap 16.4 to 18.5 is, based on the teams they've actually faced, I'd say it's fairly significant.

Anyway this is an extremely long winded way of saying that I think Wilfork has been fantastic this year and could very well be the best 4-3 defensive lineman in the game this year.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:52 PM

This does a good job expressing how I feel.

https://www.profootb...ng-with-wilfork

It was released a couple of days before his best game of the year versus Indy. Rumor has it Bianca Wilfork showed him the article. He's been playing great since then.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:26 PM

Why must you link PFF shit?

This makes such little sense to me. The most valuable player on our defensive line grades out to his worst season in 5 years. Ironically, this is the first time in the past 5 years that the team is holding opponents under 4YPC and is ranking in the top 10 teams against the run.

I have no idea how PFF gets their grades, but I've always been skeptical of their results.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:31 PM

I think you're overreacting. The linked article specifically mentions scheme as a factor - less playing as a NT on running downs (as a percentage of overall snaps) and more playing as a DT or DE on passing downs. That could negatively impact his grade even if he is completely 'doing his job'. It's also worth noting just for the Bianca anecdote (which I wouldn't mind a link/source for).

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

I have no idea how PFF gets their grades, but I've always been skeptical of their results.


Essentially a person watches the television broadcast of a game and gives every player a grade on every play, from +2 to -2. They don't use coaching tape and the viewers are normal fans. I think there's some value to the process (Joe Blow the fan is at least trying to watch very carefully) but, to use Wilfork as an example, is he really getting enough credit for standing up double teams without getting moved but without making a tackle play after play?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:42 PM

I think you're overreacting. The linked article specifically mentions scheme as a factor - less playing as a NT on running downs (as a percentage of overall snaps) and more playing as a DT or DE on passing downs. That could negatively impact his grade even if he is completely 'doing his job'. It's also worth noting just for the Bianca anecdote (which I wouldn't mind a link/source for).


There are plenty of people on this board who question PFF. I'm not sure what "overreaction" you're referring to, to be honest.

First, the article mentions scheme as a factor...but doesn't explain how it affects his score. Did he perform better in the 3-4 this year? Better in the 4-3? Was he getting blown off assignments in one particular set? The article says "Wilfork stinks this year" and then list a few reasons why that might be without actually showing any proof.

Secondly, they say he's become a 3 down player and it may be affecting him. They say he started playing 3 downs as of last year. So, why was he "good" last year as a 3 down player, but "bad" this year? That makes zero sense.

While we're on that point, the fact that they called Myron Pryor a "pass rush specialist" was...well, slightly amusing.

Again, I'm not saying that Phragle or the article is wrong (although I do disagree), but PFF has never bathed itself in glory, and I think the article does nothing to change my opinion of that.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:48 PM

PFF has yet to watch the now-available all-22 film, IIRC. Until they start doing that it's tough to take their grading system very seriously.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:57 PM

While we're on that point, the fact that they called Myron Pryor a "pass rush specialist" was...well, slightly amusing.


Wasn't he? They used him almost exclusively as a DT in passing situations.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:04 PM

Most of the time, he was covered by Dennard since the Dolphins had him split out opposite Hartline much of the game.

FWIW

Belichick and Patricia on the play of cornerback Kyle Arrington, particularly against Davone Bess"

BB: "Bess is a real good player. He’s one of the best receivers we see inside in the slot. I thought Kyle played well; really had a solid game in terms of coverage, tackling, made a play on the blitz. But again, I think that’s also a function of the overall team defense. Sometimes a pass rush helps out the defensive backs. Sometimes the coverage helps out the pass rush and all that. Overall defensively, I thought we for the most part did a fairly solid job. We had some plays that weren’t the way we’d like for them to be, but overall it was a pretty consistent game for us -- good on third down, a couple stops in the red area... Kyle certainly held up his end of it and did a good job, as I said, in all phases of the game, not just coverage -- run force, opportunities he had to rush. It was solid."

MP: "Obviously Bess is a great player for them, a very productive receiver and obviously a key part of that offense. They have a lot of good skill players so it’s a great challenge for us to play against them every time we face them. In general, like always, we have some different schemes and stuff that we played coverage-wise and Kyle Arrington plays inside a little bit in those schemes and did a good job for us handling the assignment he had to do and the job he had to do. It was really a good job by him."


http://espn.go.com/b...rrington-others

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:43 PM

Wasn't he? They used him almost exclusively as a DT in passing situations.


He was a pass rushing specialist the same way Nick Punto is a utility specialist. Yeah, it's what he does, but there ain't a whole lot "special" about him. I suppose its just my way of picking nits with the article.

Edited by Kenny F'ing Powers, 04 December 2012 - 02:44 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:50 PM

Is getting injured a specialty? Because he's pretty damn good at that.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:59 PM

Apropos of nothing, BB always says "red area" rather than "red zone." He's two syllables ahead of everyone else.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 06:41 AM

Apropos of nothing, BB always says "red area" rather than "red zone." He's two syllables ahead of everyone else.


He's trolling. This is a classic old guy power move.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:26 AM

FWIW
http://espn.go.com/b...rrington-others


Coming from Belichick, those are Nobel Peace Prize/Medal of Honor-type accolades. I guess he was really impressed by Arrington's play. Good for them both to give credit where due.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:17 AM

Arrington did look pretty good except for that one play where he, in his usual fashion, got 5 yards behind Hartline and was saved by a terrible throw from Tannehill.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:00 AM

You mean the play where it was actually Talib in coverage, and Hartline was wide open because Gregory completely bit on the play action?

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:01 AM

You mean the play where it was actually Talib in coverage, and Hartline was wide open because Gregory completely bit on the play action?


He means the one where Hartline got roughly five yards behind Arrington (it was in the right-center area of the field, not quite sideline), Tannehill threw up a duck of a ball that Hartline had to wait for, and Arrington was able to break up the pass without actually seeing the pass when he caught up to a stationary Hartline.

Edited by Fishercat, 05 December 2012 - 10:02 AM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:03 AM

Ah yeah I remember that one... he's right, Arrington got beat there, no doubt

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:29 AM

Arrington did look pretty good except for that one play where he, in his usual fashion, got 5 yards behind Hartline and was saved by a terrible throw from Tannehill.

He means the one where Hartline got roughly five yards behind Arrington (it was in the right-center area of the field, not quite sideline), Tannehill threw up a duck of a ball that Hartline had to wait for, and Arrington was able to break up the pass without actually seeing the pass when he caught up to a stationary Hartline.

To be fair, it's not like Arrington was lined up on Hartline and Hartline blew by him. The Dolphins had a bunch right and Arrington and Talib had to figure out who was going to take whom.

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Arrington's the inside guy but the only receiver running a route that way is Fasano (guarded by Spikes). Arrington's in bad position to defend Hartline running the fly or Bess in the flat. I think he hesitated a little bit, but this is also why most teams choose to play a safety over the top of bunch formations. The Pats just had McCourty in deep centerfield. Gregory actually blitzed on the play. Mayo blitzed, too, but still not a lot of pressure.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:37 AM

To be fair, it's not like Arrington was lined up on Hartline and Hartline blew by him. The Dolphins had a bunch right and Arrington and Talib had to figure out who was going to take whom.

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Arrington's the inside guy but the only receiver running a route that way is Fasano (guarded by Spikes). Arrington's in bad position to defend Hartline running the fly or Bess in the flat. I think he hesitated a little bit, but this is also why most teams choose to play a safety over the top of bunch formations. The Pats just had McCourty in deep centerfield. Gregory actually blitzed on the play. Mayo blitzed, too, but still not a lot of pressure.


Fair point. You have the video, and it's definitely not an ideal coverage for Arrington to work on with a guy like Hartline and him not being in a great position to cover him to start. Who did Talib end up covering (the blue arrow WR)? It just looked particularly terrible on the first viewing and KA did catch up in the end, so it's hard to be that upset.

I'm still stunned the coverage shut down Bess and Fasano that much, I think a gameball could go to Matt Patricia for keeping down two guys who have historically hurt New England.

Edited by Fishercat, 05 December 2012 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:09 PM

FWIW
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http://espn.go.com/b...rrington-others


Hmm... Maybe I was looking at the wrong number on the jersey. Thanks for the link.




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