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[bluefenderstrat]

I want to go back to how he shot himself in front of the coaches. This is horrible but I can't even imagine what they're going through right now. I also can't fucking imagine what would make him drive TO the practice facility before shotting himself.

Who knows what goes through the perp's mind after completing step 1 of a murder suicide? You've already got to be pretty fucking unhinged to start. Trying to rationalize it just doesn't work, because it's not a rational act.

[jacklamabe65]

First and foremost, the poor girlfriend and her family. Jesus, Romeo and Scott having to not only deal with it all but coming to grips with it after witnessing it. I am sure BK and BB will reach out to them in some way.

[Caspir]

I want to go back to how he shot himself in front of the coaches. This is horrible but I can't even imagine what they're going through right now. I also can't fucking imagine what would make him drive TO the practice facility before shotting himself.

Yea, it really is almost beyond comprehension that somebody would commit a murder, then have the wherewithal to drive to a place full of friends and coworkers to kill himself without causing physical harm to anybody in the building. I know people do fucked up shit when they snap, but that's just another level. I wonder how far he had to drive, and how much time had elapsed between the murder and his suicide.

[Hendu's Gait]

That might be the douchiest post in the history of SoSH.

Christ you are such an insufferable and sanctimonious douche.

Wow. Just....wow.

I'm not a fan of dignifying murderers, unintentionally or otherwise. Apologies. If that makes me a sanctimonious douche, so be it.

(This will be my last post on the "friends of murderers" topic)

[Mystic Merlin]

I'm not a fan of dignifying murderers, unintentionally or otherwise. Apologies. If that makes me a sanctimonious douche, so be it.

(This will be my last post on the "friends of murderers" topic)

Can this just be your last post? Like, forever?

[Greg29fan]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
KCPD say the player thanked both men before taking his life, and that Pioli and Crennel did not feel threatened. KCPD not revealing identity

[CR67dream]

I'm not a fan of dignifying murderers, unintentionally or otherwise. Apologies. If that makes me a sanctimonious douche, so be it.

(This will be my last post on the "friends of murderers" topic)

You are constantly a douche all over this board, this is just a new level of fuckfacedness. I'd suggest you shut the fuck up for a while.

[PedroSpecialK]

You are constantly a douche all over this board, this is just a new level of fuckfacedness. I'd suggest you shut the fuck up for a while.

I can only read this in Michael Douglas's voice.

[NDBoston]

Facebook pictures of the gf,baby and player

https://www.facebook...&type=3

[Luis Taint]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
KCPD say the player thanked both men before taking his life, and that Pioli and Crennel did not feel threatened. KCPD not revealing identity

Thats horrible, how can he be expected to coach tommorow?

[Gunfighter 09]

Before today I had been really relishing the Pioli failure in KC, but now I feel awful for the guy.

I can't think of a worse situation than trying to talk someone out of taking their own life and then watching them go through with it. How do you do anything but give your statement to the cops and then go home and hug your wife and kids after watching that happen?

The NFL should cancel the game tomorrow, the Chiefs cant possibly be ready to play.

Edited by Gunfighter 09, 01 December 2012 - 12:16 PM.

[Ferm Sheller]

This is the second UMaine NFLer who had a violent demise. Anyone remember Justin Strzelczyk?

[Gunfighter 09]

Interesting how LaCanfora has all of the details and Glazer or the ESPN guys don't. That is a little surprising.

[NDBoston]

Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher this morning shot and killed his girlfriend before going to Arrowhead Stadium and fatally shooting himself as team personnel tried to stop him, police said.
Police Capt. David Lindaman said Belcher, 25, and his girlfriend, 22, got into an argument around 7 a.m. at their home in the 5400 block of Crysler Avenue in Kansas City. Around 7:50 a.m., Lindaman said, Belcher shot his girlfriend multiple times. She was taken to a hospital, where she was pronounced dead.
Lindaman said Belcher’s mother, who was visiting the couple and their 3-month-old daughter, witnessed the shooting and was being interviewed by police.
Belcher left the scene on Crysler and went to the Chiefs practice facility at Arrowhead, police said.
Police were called to the stadium around 8:10 a.m. When Belcher arrived there he encountered General Manager Scott Pioli, Coach Romeo Crennel and other team personnel. Police said Chiefs staff attempted to keep Belcher from committing additional acts of violence. When police arrived, they heard a gunshot and found that Belcher had shot himself in the head.

Read more here: http://www.kansascit...l#storylink=cpy
http://www.kansascit...girlfriend.html

[barbed wire Bob]

Any news on the baby? Is the baby still alive?

[johnmd20]

Thats horrible, how can he be expected to coach tommorow?

Brutal story, really sad. But they will play tomorrow, because of the aforementioned money. If Romeo can't coach, they will find someone who can. The TV contract demands it.

[Spacemans Bong]

The article is not terribly well written but I think it's saying that Belcher's mom saw him shoot his girlfriend.

Jeez, can this get worse?

[Spacemans Bong]

Brutal story, really sad. But they will play tomorrow, because of the aforementioned money. If Romeo can't coach, they will find someone who can. The TV contract demands it.

I don't doubt you're right but it's stupid. If they can postpone games for natural disasters they can postpone a totally fucking meaningless game because a player killed himself in front of his coach 24 hours and change before the game.

Ironically, I think the fact these are two shitty teams makes it less likely they'll postpone the game. If the Chiefs were battling for a playoff spot Clark Hunt would probably raise a giant fuss.

[KiltedFool]

Only reason I can think that he might go the team facility at arrowhead is that's basically his home, his space where things are normal and makes sense. Pro football players have been at the football field for the majority of their lives, and often have been shielded from mistakes and messy reality from outside because of what they do on the field. He might have been going to a place that had always been a place of safety.

But at the end of the day I'm making a weak attempt to rationalize an irrational act that's the definition of senseless tragedy.

[Laser Show]

The article is not terribly well written but I think it's saying that Belcher's mom saw him shoot his girlfriend.

Jeez, can this get worse?

Pray for the baby. Good lord...

[Gunfighter 09]

Any news on the baby? Is the baby still alive?

With the Mother, I assume, or hope or something like that.

[collings94]

This is crazy. He killed his gf, then drove to practice and killed himself IN FRONT of coaches and his teammates. How the fuck do you play a game the next day with that going on? I know the NFL operates on money, but Goodell needs some serious brownie points here, I think the game gets postponed.

My prayers go out to the man's family and his girlfriends, god help that kid.

[Red(s)HawksFan]

This is crazy. He killed his gf, then drove to practice and killed himself IN FRONT of coaches and his teammates. How the fuck do you play a game the next day with that going on? I know the NFL operates on money, but Goodell needs some serious brownie points here, I think the game gets postponed.

My prayers go out to the man's family and his girlfriends, god help that kid.

My hope is that Goodell won't make any decisions until the Chiefs players and staff are polled on the topic. If that doesn't happen until later in the day, and the Panthers are in the air or even in Kansas City, so be it. It ultimately should be up to them whether they want to play or not, not the commissioner.

[AimingForYoko]

This is horrifying. And their poor child...

And I can't even begin to imagine how Pioli and Crennel feel.

Edited by AimingForYoko, 01 December 2012 - 12:45 PM.

[Scoops Bolling]

My hope is that Goodell won't make any decisions until the Chiefs players and staff are polled on the topic. If that doesn't happen until later in the day, and the Panthers are in the air or even in Kansas City, so be it. It ultimately should be up to them whether they want to play or not, not the commissioner.

I think this is the way to do it. If the Chiefs want to play, let them play. Who knows, maybe at a time like this going out and playing the game is something that will help, rather than having nothing else to do but think about what just happened. That said, if they don't want to play, cancel the game.

[Reverend]

You are constantly a douche all over this board, this is just a new level of fuckfacedness. I'd suggest you shut the fuck up for a while.

There's something very radical about reading a thread about a murder-suicide and thinking "There's something seriously wrong with that guy," when the thought is about someone other than the perpetrator of the murder-suicide.

[Steve Dillard]

This is horrifying. And their poor child...

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And I can't even begin to imagine how Pioli and Crennel feel.

I wonder whether being raised by a grandmother is better than being raised in a hyper abusive, dysfunctional environment.
As to the latter, I'm sure they are both thinking "thank god I didn't cut him."

More seriously, I suspect this, Seau (and the hockey goons' suicides) are less concussion related and more roid rage related

Edited by Steve Dillard, 01 December 2012 - 12:58 PM.

[Reverend]

Sometimes you get to see the precise moment that a thread goes sideways.

[collings94]

People probably already know this, but the ESPN comments section might be the worst thing on the internet. http://espn.go.com/n...e-team-facility

95% of these people deserve to have their computers destroyed by a 9 iron.

[Laser Show]

People probably already know this, but the ESPN comments section might be the worst thing on the internet. http://espn.go.com/n...e-team-facility

95% of these people deserve to have their computers destroyed by a 9 iron.

I was hoping it was one of the chiefs players I was facing this week in fantasy football. Need to make the playoffs!!

I would love to say I'm stunned by this kind of behavior... but I can't say I am.

[Monbo Jumbo]

A subtle reminder that our "civilization"is just a few generations or time zones (take your pick) removed from incredible acts of public barbarity.

And mental health is a very fragile commodity.

[quint]

I wonder whether being raised by a grandmother is better than being raised in a hyper abusive, dysfunctional environment.
As to the latter, I'm sure they are both thinking "thank god I didn't cut him."

More seriously, I suspect this, Seau (and the hockey goons' suicides) are less concussion related and more roid rage related

Why don't you go sit next to Hendu in timeout for a bit.

[Reverend]

Why don't you go sit next to Hendu in timeout for a bit.

That was the edited version--earlier he was rambling about if a clever lawyer might be able to sue his roids dealer because suicide voids the life insurance policy.

[Al Zarilla]

People probably already know this, but the ESPN comments section might be the worst thing on the internet. http://espn.go.com/n...e-team-facility

95% of these people deserve to have their computers destroyed by a 9 iron.

The thing is updating so fast it's hard to read, not that it's worth reading anyway.

[ypioca]

This is just awful. And, since he shot himself in the head, there's no way of knowing if he suffered from concussion symptoms.

[ypioca]

The thing is updating so fast it's hard to read, not that it's worth reading anyway.

You can pause the updates... not that you'd want to. So many people are just scumbags.

[Scoops Bolling]

Appears the Chiefs had an article up about him just a couple days ago talking about him in fairly glowing terms ("Belcher’s-Drive-to-Succeed-Helps-Team-and-Self"). I wonder if there was some kind of precipitating event that caused this?

[AimingForYoko]

Why don't you go sit next to Hendu in timeout for a bit.

You missed the first bit before the edit.

Sideways indeed.

[Mooch]

Worst NFL story since Rae Carruth. Hopefully this woman's poor mother can take some inspiration and comfort from Saundra Adams's story about raising Carruth's disabled son.

[fairlee76]

My hope is that Goodell won't make any decisions until the Chiefs players and staff are polled on the topic. If that doesn't happen until later in the day, and the Panthers are in the air or even in Kansas City, so be it. It ultimately should be up to them whether they want to play or not, not the commissioner.

One would hope the Chiefs organization will have a prominent say in whether to play or not. But, as others have mentioned, money and what the league views as best on the PR front will probably factor more heavily into that decision.

Just a terrible story. Cannot imagine how the bystanders in this will go about healing (if that is even possible).

[LogansDad]

People probably already know this, but the ESPN comments section might be the worst thing on the internet. http://espn.go.com/n...e-team-facility

95% of these people deserve to have their computers destroyed by a 9 iron.

You know, ESPN has the ability to shut down the comments section. The fact that they haven't yet just makes me respect them even less.

Also, as badly as I feel for the mother, it may be a good thing he was there this morning. She was able to protect the baby (possibly during, and for sure after the shooting), and once the shock wears off she may even be able to shed some light on why something so tragic happened. As always in a case like this there will likely be more questions than answers, but to have some insight as to what happened leading up to the final moment may help more than just the investigators. I think the most important thing to do in situations like these is to learn from them, and she was there the moment that switch popped. I just hope they give her some time to recover, because I can't imagine what she is going through.

Edited by LogansDad, 01 December 2012 - 01:30 PM.

[Steve Dillard]

That was the edited version--earlier he was rambling about if a clever lawyer might be able to sue his roids dealer because suicide voids the life insurance policy.

Not to get too sideways, but I was wondering what resources the kid would have, and thought that the NFL player probably had a decent life insurance policy to provide for the kid. Then I realized that policy probably would not pay out given the suicide.

But that is sideways at this moment. It's a tragic murder.

[E5 Yaz]

Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing
From 5-year-old Boston Globe story on Jovan Belcher: His major at University of Maine was Child Development and Family Relations.

Speaking of inappropriate comments, King apparently is trying establish "irony" in a murder-suicide based on a college major.

Edited by E5 Yaz, 01 December 2012 - 02:06 PM.

[Mooch]

Not to get too sideways, but I was wondering what resources the kid would have, and thought that the NFL player probably had a decent life insurance policy to provide for the kid. Then I realized that policy probably would not pay out given the suicide.

But that is sideways at this moment. It's a tragic murder.

Some insurance policies do pay out for suicide.

[BS_SoxFan]

Speaking of turds in the punchbowl, King apparently is trying establish "irony" in a murder-suicide based on a college major.

Was just coming to post this. God, he's just the worst.

[SMU_Sox]

From personal experience (not mine but someone very close to me - as some of you here know) I know how hard it is for a child when one of their parents committed suicide at an early age. Even if the child doesn't remember the parent you still go through years of dealing with why they wanted to end their life instead of being in yours. My thoughts, prayers, and hope go out to the baby.

[Al Zarilla]

Speaking of turds in the punchbowl, King apparently is trying establish "irony" in a murder-suicide based on a college major.

I don't know where there would be a punchbowl in this whole thing.

[E5 Yaz]

I don't know where there would be a punchbowl in this whole thing.

Excellent point

[Boston Brawler]

This is terrible. I think we all know what the right decision is here in regards to the game tomorrow, but does anyone here expect the league to make the right one? I really hope that potential monetary loss doesn't win over a civil decision. The Chiefs could forfeit, right? Anyone see that as a viable option if the league wants them to play?

Edit: Rulebook link to emergencies. Forfeits are covered. League could also cancel and not reschedule.

http://www.nfl.com/r...ook/emergencies

Edited by Boston Brawler, 01 December 2012 - 02:05 PM.

[E5 Yaz]

In weather circumstances, the NFL has sometimes moved a game back to Monday. They could go that route.