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[Salva135]

I'm desperately trying to wrap my mind around this statement...

OK, that was a bit hyperbolic but the idea that Gronk is the difference between an elite offense and a questionable one is ridiculous. The Pats have scored more points and gained more yards than any team in the league. Now all of a sudden, with Gronk out, the team is going to collapse against the fucking Jets. I can't believe the pessimism in this thread.

I love Gronk, I understand his importance in both the passing and running game, but as long as Tom Brady is behind center, this is a chameleon offense that will figure out ways to score points. I am not concerned. I can't believe how down some of you are.

Edited by Salva135, 21 November 2012 - 03:54 PM.

[jsinger121]

Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe
Chandler Jones, Logan Mankins and Rob Gronkowski have been ruled out for tomorrow.

[drleather2001]

well shit.

[Dogman2]

I was hopeful Hernandez would sit to have the extra 10 days off.

[RedOctober3829]

I'm a little more nervous than I thought. No Jones and no Mankins plus Gronk is troubling. Just get out of there with a win somehow.

[Jed Zeppelin]

I don't know what any of you people are talking about. I feel like shit before every single game.

[Al Zarilla]

I was hopeful Hernandez would sit to have the extra 10 days off.

Someone would say this time of year everybody is nicked up some, no Gronk, and I think they want to beat the Jets.

[Dogman2]

Someone would say this time of year everybody is nicked up some, no Gronk, and I think they want to beat the Jets.

I want them to beat them too. I think even without Gronk, Hernandez, Jones and Mankins the Pats are still a better team.

I won't complain if he plays.

[ifmanis5]

I'm a little more nervous than I thought. No Jones and no Mankins plus Gronk is troubling. Just get out of there with a win somehow.

I'm not confident either but just take a deep breath and repeat 10x.... "Mark Sanchez.... Tom Brady. Mark Sanchez.... Tom Brady...."

[drleather2001]

I'm not that concerned. It will probably be a run and screen heavy attack, lots of Woodhead, lots of Vereen.

24-13, Pats.

[tims4wins]

I don't know what any of you people are talking about. I feel like shit before every single game.

Amen to this. I will be concerned before the Jacksonville game, no doubt. Actually the worse the opponent the more nervous I usually get.

[Wilco's Last Fan]

So how do we attack the Jets D without Gronk? IIRC, Trufant did a good job with Welker in Week 7, and Cromartie probably won't have too much trouble with Lloyd.

A heavy dose of Ridley between the tackles (per FO the Jets are 29th and 30th in AYL on runs inside the LT and RT, respectively) and exploit TE matchups in the middle of the field? Some more Edelman? Will we see Shiancoe play a role in the red zone? More 3-WR sets?

Edit: I'm also going to this game, and taking my girlfriend who never watched a game in her life until I turned her on to the Pats last year. It felt like I'd played a cruel joke on her after the SB.

Edited by Wilco's Last Fan, 21 November 2012 - 07:41 PM.

[RedOctober3829]

So how do we attack the Jets D without Gronk? IIRC, Trufant did a good job with Welker in Week 7, and Cromartie probably won't have too much trouble with Lloyd.

A heavy dose of Ridley between the tackles (per FO the Jets are 29th and 30th in AYL on runs inside the LT and RT, respectively) and exploit TE matchups in the middle of the field? Some more Edelman? Will we see Shiancoe play a role in the red zone? More 3-WR sets?

Edit: I'm also going to this game, and taking my girlfriend who never watched a game in her life until I turned her on to the Pats last year. It felt like I'd played a cruel joke on her after the SB.

They should run the shit out of the ball tomorrow. Steven Jackson carved them up on Sunday, but they didn't give him as many touches as they should have. Then, you use play action to dupe Landry into coming up and then go over the middle.

Also, screens with Vereen and Edelman should be featured too.

[pedroia'sboys]

Amen to this. I will be concerned before the Jacksonville game, no doubt. Actually the worse the opponent the more nervous I usually get.

Same here. Any time I get nervous I just look at the spread -7 (-115), vegas knows. Will be fine

[TheoShmeo]

Same here. Any time I get nervous I just look at the spread -7 (-115), vegas knows. Will be fine

Then again, Vegas had the spread at -14 in SB 36....

[pedroia'sboys]

Then again, Vegas had the spread at -14 in SB 36....

Shit happens no ones saying the games a lock. 75 percent chance of winning according to the moneyline. If Gronk was playing people on here would be talking about scoring 60 tonight after last weeks performance. Do we really think the loss of Gronk, is bringing us down to the jets. They're a bad football team (24th DVOA). They lost to miami by 21 a week before. Patriots played like shit when they played the jets, I put it more on the pats than the jets playing well. They need to go in there and pound them running the ball on the edges, there bad at defending the run. Make them play a bigger defense.

Having connolly tonight would be huge.

Edited by pedroia'sboys, 22 November 2012 - 08:32 AM.

[dynomite]

I smell another blowout.

One word: 2007.

Most of the media commentary this week has overlooked the fact that a Patriots offense coordinated by McDaniels put together among the greatest offensive seasons in league history while Gronkowski and Hernandez were still attending college classes in warmer climates. Sure, that offense got the best season in league history from a WR. But it also had Watson at TE and Maroney at RB.

With Pou'ha, Ellis and Scott all limited by injuries, the Jets defense is vulnerable up the middle, especially against the run. I see a heavy running game tonight, with disguised runs and screens to Ridley and Vereen setting up play actions downfield to Lloyd and Salas. I'm also expecting a good game from Shiancoe. FO ranks the Jets 23rd in the league against TEs, and Shiancoe will be seeing plenty of single coverage in the middle of the field as the Jets apply their usual (if memory serves) blanket coverage on Welker and protect the flats against screens.

To keep up with us, Sanchez and the Jets offense will have to play mistake-free football, and I just don't see it.

[Turrable]

I don't know about Laddie, but I am in a hotel room. I think we'll be alright.

[TheoShmeo]

For anyone still considering going, tix are plentiful (around 1700 left) and relatively cheap on Stub Hub. The low end before fees is $40. Two tix are available in the Mezz level Club at around the 40-yard line at $100 apiece* before fees ($50 less than the nearest price, which is itself 50% off of face).

* And the desperately priced tix are now gone a few minutes later.

Edited by TheoShmeo, 22 November 2012 - 12:44 PM.

[rodderick]

So how do we attack the Jets D without Gronk? IIRC, Trufant did a good job with Welker in Week 7, and Cromartie probably won't have too much trouble with Lloyd.

A heavy dose of Ridley between the tackles (per FO the Jets are 29th and 30th in AYL on runs inside the LT and RT, respectively) and exploit TE matchups in the middle of the field? Some more Edelman? Will we see Shiancoe play a role in the red zone? More 3-WR sets?

Edit: I'm also going to this game, and taking my girlfriend who never watched a game in her life until I turned her on to the Pats last year. It felt like I'd played a cruel joke on her after the SB.

Trufant has been IR'ed, so we'll likely see Kyle Wilson on Welker, which is a big mismatch in Wes' favor.

[Wilco's Last Fan]

Trufant has been IR'ed, so we'll likely see Kyle Wilson on Welker, which is a big mismatch in Wes' favor.

Whoops, totally missed that. That helps us bigtime.

[Ed Hillel]

I hate night games.

[PseuFighter]

will be in section 342, row 1 tonight.

[RedOctober3829]

Salas cut, Zuevicius active.

[DieHardSoxFan1]

Is Hernandez definitely playing?

[DrewDawg]

Is Hernandez definitely playing?

If he does, he'll be limited.

If Lloyd doesn't breakout this week, it ain't happening.

[Zososoxfan]

With Chandler out, I wonder if we'll see more 3-4 base D to maximize our sweet LBs. Our Dline can still 2-gap and keeping Cunningham, Hightower, Nink, et al on the field seems like the best way to generate a consistent pass rush.

[Mystic Merlin]

Bit of a surprise - Vollmer inactive, Cannon to start at RT.

Chung and Leaf = active.

[RedOctober3829]

Huge that Vollmer is out. He's been the best RT in the AFC this year. Fuck, I'm nervous.

[Ed Hillel]

Jets have a weak pass rush, so I wonder if they just wanted to give Vollmer a long week for his back.

[koufax32]

My wife's family is here now. Please win handily tonight so I don't have to punch my mother in law in the throat.

[seageral]

Jets have a weak pass rush, so I wonder if they just wanted to give Vollmer a long week for his back.

not really bill's style.

[ragnarok725]

Jets have a weak pass rush, so I wonder if they just wanted to give Vollmer a long week for his back.

They don't have the most talented rushers, but they certainly scheme pressure well and I think having Cannon in there is pretty worrisome.

[Mystic Merlin]

not really bill's style.

Yes it is.

[seageral]

Yes it is.

umm. to hold someone out who can play in case he gets injured? ok. no it's not.

Edited by seageral, 22 November 2012 - 07:31 PM.

[Mystic Merlin]

umm. to hold someone out who can play in case he gets injured? ok. no it's not.

That's not what Hillel said. Vollmer has been dealing with a back issue since the preseason, and this is the first time the team has been on a short week, so it's not surprising to me that he either wouldn't be able to go or he would be iffy. If it's the latter, Bill has held out players in the past who fall into this category (last year - Chung, Hernandez). I.e., the equivalent of 'could play if it was a playoff game'.

Edited by Mystic Merlin, 22 November 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[seageral]

That's not what Hillel said. Vollmer has been dealing with a back issue since the preseason, and this is the first time the team has been on a short week, so it's not surprising to me that he either wouldn't be able to go or he would be iffy. If it's the latter, Bill has held out players in the past who fall into this category (last year - Chung, Hernandez).

unless his back is worse than it has been previously i find it unlikely that bill would hold him out. football players play. if it's really been bothering him that much i find it hard to believe he'd be playing as well as he has. therefore i think he either tweaked it or there's something else.

Edited by seageral, 22 November 2012 - 07:36 PM.

[Mystic Merlin]

unless his back is worse than it has been previously i find it unlikely that bill would hold him out. football players play.

It could be 'worse' because he hasn't had normal rest this week. Or he aggravated it. Or he suffered a new injury. We have no idea, but at the very least your statement that Bill doesn't manage his roster with lingering injuries - and the playoffs - in mind is not correct. You can ignore the well-publicized Chung and Hernandez examples if you like.

[RedOctober3829]

unless his back is worse than it has been previously i find it unlikely that bill would hold him out. football players play.

Bill or any coach isn't going to risk losing a player like Vollmer for the long-term if they can hold him out and buy him 2 weeks of additional rest. It's the smart thing to do.

[seageral]

It could be 'worse' because he hasn't had normal rest this week. Or he aggravated it. Or he suffered a new injury. We have no idea, but at the very least your statement that Bill doesn't manage his roster with lingering injuries - and the playoffs - in mind is not correct. You can ignore the well-publicized Chung and Hernandez examples if you like.

i'm not ignoring it. and neither you nor ed said "worse" - if it's "worse" of course he could be holding him out. if it's bad enough every thursday that he needs more rest that's also news which hasn't been mentioned/noticed fore the previous games. whatever dude. "no it's not" is just wrong.

Edited by seageral, 22 November 2012 - 07:39 PM.

[Stitch01]

No it's not is correct

[seageral]

No it's not is correct

no it's not.

[Mystic Merlin]

i'm not ignoring it. and neither you nor ed said "worse" - if it's "worse" of course he could be holding him out. if it's bad enough every thursday that he needs more rest that's also news which hasn't been mentioned/noticed fore the previous games. whatever dude. "no it's not" is just wrong.

You're doing a poor job of making inferences.

[Ed Hillel]

Oh dear.

[soxfan121]

You're doing a poor job of making inferences.

It's hard to make inferences without brick OR straw.

[RedOctober3829]

In warmups, TE Daniel Fells lines up at right wing of field-goal protection unit, the spot previously occupied by Rob Gronkowski.

Also in warmups, Cannon was at RT and the starting secondary was Talib on the left, Dennard on the right, and McCourty/Gregory at the safeties. Unless BB changes it before the game then Chung isn't starting.

[OldSaintJohn]

Christ, even I think that sitting Vollmer makes sense to give him some rest

[H78]

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[RedOctober3829]

Ian O'Connor

7 minutes before kick & never seen MetLife/Giants Stadium so empty for a Jets/Giants game that's still meaningful (sort of)

[ilol@u]

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Look out for a "Jim White," email address: jimmyw18@yahoo.com

Royally pissed right now.

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