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[soxhop411]

I remeber there being a similar thread in the MLB board last offseason....

Rumors are that the Brewers will make a push for Hamilton. I wonder if that means they will be trading one of their current OF'er

There’s mounting evidence that the Brewers could be one of the teams that emerges in the market for Josh Hamilton. Milwaukee is at least looking into the possibility, though their top priorities are still finding a starting pitcher and revamping their bullpen

http://www.mlbtrader...37ewmJcxClPI.99

Edited by soxhop411, 28 October 2012 - 11:08 PM.

[Grin&MartyBarret]

What better place for a recovering alcoholic than the Milwaukee Brewers?

[Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat]

Cross Peavy off the list for the Red Sox. Two more years in White.

http://espn.go.com/c...tt-myers-option

[Rudy Pemberton]

I'm shocked Peavy agreed to that deal. I get that he wanted to stay in Chicago, but seems like he left a lot of money on the table. 2 year deal? Huh?

[MakMan44]

Brandon League-3 years/22.5$ Mill back to the Dodgers

https://twitter.com/...445338973696001

[ForceAtHome]

Brandon League-3 years/22.5$ Mill back to the Dodgers

https://twitter.com/...445338973696001

Is that really the market for a guy like League? That seems like a ridiculous (and unnecessary) overpay. I assume a healthy Jansen regain the job as closer again next year, with Guerra and Belisario available for late inning duties as well. That makes League a pretty expensive 6th/7th/8th inning guy who could easily be the 4th option out of the bullpen...

[Gdiguy]

Is that really the market for a guy like League? That seems like a ridiculous (and unnecessary) overpay. I assume a healthy Jansen regain the job as closer again next year, with Guerra and Belisario available for late inning duties as well. That makes League a pretty expensive 6th/7th/8th inning guy who could easily be the 4th option out of the bullpen...

Related to this, Dave Cameron has a pretty in depth article on the new CBA & compensation / qualifying offers: http://www.fangraphs...ot-stove-rules/

The related section:

Relief pitchers are the other area where we’ll likely see significant change in strategy due to the new compensation rules. Because the Elias rating drastically overvalued relievers, they made up a disproportionate number of Type A and B free agents who received arbitration offers, as teams could essentially treat their bullpens as revolving doors and get numerous additional prospects as a result. The qualifying offer is going to remove compensation from every middle reliever in the sport, which may drive salaries up for some of the guys who have previously come with the loss of a draft pick for their new teams. It might be hard to believe now, but in 2010, the Tigers gave the Astros the 19th pick in the draft for the right to sign Jose Valverde. How much more would he have gotten had that loss of a pick not been a factor? We may find out this winter.

I don't know if I completely buy it, but it is possible that without the threat of loss of draft picks relief pitchers (who were getting tagged left and right under the old system) are going to see a bump in salary costs

[paulb0t]

Royals declined their 2013 option on Joakim Soria.

Source: Royals Report (twitter)

Not sure where he is in the rehab process (he missed all of 2012 with TJ surgery), but hopefully he's on the Sox radar.

[Gdiguy]

Mets have exercised options on David Wright ($16M) & RA Dickey ($5M) (per http://espn.go.com/n...d-new-york-mets)

[Greg29fan]

Ervin Santana has been traded to KC per a Rosenthal tweet. Return unknown right now.

https://twitter.com/...745186247606272

Edited by Greg29fan, 31 October 2012 - 03:53 PM.

[MakMan44]

Ervin Santana has been traded to KC per a Rosenthal tweet. Return unknown right now.

https://twitter.com/...745186247606272

That's a mistake on so many levels.

Edited by MakMan44, 31 October 2012 - 03:58 PM.

[RedOctober3829]

Sources: #Angels receive Brandon Sisk in Ervin Santana trade.

Angels also giving the Royals some cash.

https://twitter.com/...751517042008064

Edited by RedOctober3829, 31 October 2012 - 04:20 PM.

[dylanmarsh]

That's a mistake on so many levels.

It can't be any worse than what Jonathan Sanchez gave them last season, right?

[E5 Yaz]

That's a mistake on so many levels.

Care to list them?

[MakMan44]

Care to list them?

They're giving him 12 million.
He put up an ERA over 5 last season.
Their rotation needs a bigger boost than this and spending 12 mil of their limited budget is stupid.
Giving up anything of value (and the prospect they gave up sounds like he could be a decent reliver) is stupid
Also following their trade for JS last year, you'd think they would've learned.
Finally, and this is key IMO, if they wanted him they could have just waited till free agency and signed him. I'm would think a 1 year 9-10 mil would get to KC even if it isn't that desirable a location plus they save money which is huge for a small market team. (Not saying I think he's worth 9-10 mil though)

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Finally, and this is key IMO, if they wanted him they could have just waited till free agency and signed him. I'm would think a 1 year 9-10 mil would get to KC even if it isn't that desirable a location plus they save money which is huge for a small market team. (Not saying I think he's worth 9-10 mil though)

Waiting for free agency also means that some other team could offer Santana a multi-year deal (or even a similar one-year deal) and they miss out on him entirely. Unless Brandon Sisk is some ace in the making (most scouting reports I've seen peg him as a middle reliever), I don't think they gave up all that much to take a flier on Santana regaining his former form in his age 31 season. $13M might be a slight overpay but that's what the Royals are faced with having to do to bring viable free agent players anyway. 1/$13M is probably more palatable to them than giving this year's Gil Meche a five year deal.

[MakMan44]

Here's my problem with this. 1 year is great because if he sucks, he's gone after this year. At the same time, they want to see if they can be competitive (and in the AL central, this isn't hard to do). Now, by committing so much money to him, they take away from whatever amount they could've used on a much better pitcher in FA than Santana. 13 mil as an overpay makes a lot more sense for a team that take the hit if he fails and I just don't see that being the Royals. It's tying up too many resources into one player, who isn't worth close to that much.

[E5 Yaz]

Here's my problem with this. 1 year is great because if he sucks, he's gone after this year. At the same time, they want to see if they can be competitive (and in the AL central, this isn't hard to do). Now, by committing so much money to him, they take away from whatever amount they could've used on a much better pitcher in FA than Santana. 13 mil as an overpay makes a lot more sense for a team that take the hit if he fails and I just don't see that being the Royals. It's tying up too many resources into one player, who isn't worth close to that much.

Or, if he's good and the team is bad, they can trade him in July

[MakMan44]

Or, if he's good and the team is bad, they can trade him in July

That's a big if. I don't know, the trade could work out well for them, it could not. We'll see.

[dylanmarsh]

Upton, Swisher, Soriano, and Kuroda all received qualifying offers. The Upton one is surprising to me.

[MakMan44]

Upton, Swisher, Soriano, and Kuroda all received qualifying offers. The Upton one is surprising to me.

Why? Is there any serious risk of him accepting? Even if he did, I'm sure they could find a trade partner

[soxhop411]

John Perrotto ‏@jperrotto
From someone who knows these things: Josh Hamilton's asking price is 7 years and $175M. #Rangers #MLB

[soxhop411]

Yancen Pujols ‏@YancenPujols
Carlos Marmol (Cubs) have been traded to the Angels. The pitcher confirms the move to @ElCaribeRD. "Anaheim is a good team".

[Greg29fan]

that's the Dan Haren trade

[TheYellowDart5]

What a lousy trade for Anaheim. A frontline starter, and all they get back is a guy with a power arm but horrible command issues, injury concerns and a terrible demeanor? What's the point? I know everyone's in love with Marmol's speed and slider, but he's just as likely to cost the Angels wins as he is to help them.

EDIT: And he's getting paid $9.8M this year!

Edited by TheYellowDart5, 02 November 2012 - 07:15 PM.

[MakMan44]

Deal May not be done yet

[axx]

Haren deal dead. Did Bud step in?

[MakMan44]

http://www.mlbtrader...mes-aviles.html

Aviles already gone to the Indians. Him and Gomes were shipped off for Esmil Rogers

[the1andonly3003]

http://www.mlbtrader...mes-aviles.html

Aviles already gone to the Indians. Him and Gomes were shipped off for Esmil Rogers

so they gave up Farrell for a fringe prospect

[MakMan44]

Colon resigned by the A's

Beane think it's low risk deal :https://twitter.com/...834828355117056

Edited by MakMan44, 03 November 2012 - 05:21 PM.

[Red(s)HawksFan]

so they gave up Farrell for a fringe prospect

Wouldn't call Rogers a prospect any longer with 237 innings in parts of four big league seasons. The Indians picked him up after the Rockies DFAd him, and he pitched reasonably well out of their bullpen (53 IP, 9.2 K/9, 4.5 K/BB, 1.11 WHIP, 3.06 ERA). Essentially, he's a step, maybe two above the guy they gave up to the Sox along with Farrell. If Escobar isn't actually going anywhere, Rogers might wind up being of more value to the Jays than Aviles would.

[OttoC]

Mike Aviles traded to the Indians--Aviles and C-1B-3B Yan Gomes to the Indians for RHP Esmil Rogers. Gomes was drafted in 39th round of 2008 draft by Boston, but did not sign; Rogers is the pitcher that broke Middlebrooks' wrist.

Somehow didn't see the above reports.

Edited by OttoC, 03 November 2012 - 03:57 PM.

[canderson]

Josh Hamilton is hoping to find a team to pay him $175 million over seven years, a source told Baseball Prospectus' John Perrotto this week.

http://www.dallasnew..._medium=twitter

[axx]

http://www.dallasnew..._medium=twitter

How about No. Not sure what team would be crazy to do that.

[abty]

Good luck on that josh. He will break down and teams have to realize this - right??

[Tyrone Biggums]

Good luck on that josh. He will break down and teams have to realize this - right??

No way in hell he gets 7 years, he'd be pushing sanity at 5, way too many red flags. Then again, all it takes is one team....

[Yaz4Ever]

He'll get a minimum of 5/115. I simply cannot fathom a 7-year deal for someone with the baggage he's had over the years. Hopefully not from the Red Sox.

[AlNipper49]

Is that in American dollars?

[Dewy4PrezII]

Is that in American dollars?

yes but they are Mercury years

[Gambler7]

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
Maicer Izturis getting close to a deal with Maicer Izturis. Very good fit there.

[FFCI]

Jon Heyman @JohHeymanCBS
Maicer Izturis getting close to a deal with Maicer Izturis. Very good fit there.

Izturis seems redundant to me.

[Lowrielicious]

Signing a contract with himself? isn't there a conflict of interest there?

[Rough Carrigan]

MLB network is playing up the rumor that the Mets are shopping R.A. Dickey.

[Corsi]

#Cubs announce that they've agreed on one-year deal with former#twins pitcher Scott Baker.

https://twitter.com/...395629678579712

[TOleary25]

Solid flyer by Theo. Baker could potentially be good trade bait come the deadline if he returns to form.

Edited by TOleary25, 13 November 2012 - 12:04 PM.

[TOleary25]

Looks like Miami may not be done selling:

The #Marlins are letting teams know that virtually everyone is available on trade market, and plenty of teams are calling.

https://twitter.com/BNightengale

[dylanmarsh]

ESPN is reporting Torii Hunter is heading to the Tigers: 2yrs/$26MM.

[Tangled Up In Red]

(few days old, but couldn't find it posted)
The San Francisco Giants have signed left-handed relief pitcher Jeremy Affeldt to a three-year contract through 2015.

Affeldt completed his fourth full campaign in a Giants uniform this past season, going 1-2 with a 2.70 ERA (19er, 63.1ip) in 67 relief appearances. He struck out 8.1 batters per 9.0 innings and issued just 3.3 walks per 9.0 frames. He also allowed just one home run in his 63.1 innings and didn't issue a long ball in his final 42.2 regular season frames.

3/18. Big overpay for the role, or fair value for proven performer?

[Savin Hillbilly]

3/18. Big overpay for the role, or fair value for proven performer?

It's funny, Cameron at Fangraphs likes the deal. Yet if you trust his site's valuations, the Giants are basically promising to pay Affeldt as much for each of the next three years as he's earned in the past three years combined.

[Al Zarilla]

It's funny, Cameron at Fangraphs likes the deal. Yet if you trust his site's valuations, the Giants are basically promising to pay Affeldt as much for each of the next three years as he's earned in the past three years combined.

I was going to type "in Brian Sabean we trust" (at least lately), but according to to BRef, Affeldt made $4, 4.5 and 5 million in '10 - '12. Somebody doesn't know what they're talking about there.