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[The Four Peters]

And the Flyers defense gets worse.

PHT

Defensively speaking, it’s already been a rough summer for the Flyers.

On Monday, it got worse.

A tweet sent out by Philadelphia’s official account reported defenseman Andrej Meszaros suffered a torn Achilles tendon while training in his native Slovakia — this coming just days after Flyers GM Paul Holmgren said Meszaros was completely healed from last season’s back surgery.

[PedroSpecialK]

Yowza. And they still need to get under the opening-day cap with him and Pronger on the cap, but they can remedy that a bit by starting B. Schenn's $3.11m in the AHL for day 1.

Timonen - Schenn
Coburn - Grossmann
Bourdon - Gervais
Lilja/Gustafsson

[Titoschew]

Swiss cheese.

[FL4WL3SS]

I'd happily remedy their defensive corps by trading Hamilton for Giroux. Chia should make that phone call.

[Spaulding Smails]

I am awaiting the tweet saying, "after learning of the Meszaros injury, goaltender Ilya Bryzgalov could be heard gently weeping into his humaaaangus pillow".

[MoGator71]

I'd happily remedy their defensive corps by trading Hamilton for Giroux. Chia should make that phone call.

He's busy trying to coax Brad McCrimmon out of retirement.

[Monbo Jumbo]

He's busy trying to coax Brad McCrimmon out of retirement.

That's cold....



Siberian corpse cold.

[cshea]

Looks like Carolina signed Jeff Skinner to a 6 year extension with a $5.75mm AAV. So that's basically what it's going to take to get Seguin locked up.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Looks like Carolina signed Jeff Skinner to a 6 year extension with a $5.75mm AAV. So that's basically what it's going to take to get Seguin locked up.

Seguin's one of the few guys on the team that it's really not worth getting cute with at all. Whatever it takes to keep him at least through age 30.

Edited by Jed Zeppelin, 08 August 2012 - 08:43 AM.

[PedroSpecialK]

Flames, Red Wings talking about Bouwmeester

$6.68m AAV thru 2013-2014.

[MoGator71]

If Bouwmeester's on the table I hope Homer at least checks in. The Flames contingent at HF has been insisting he's not, and that Calgary doesn't want or need to move him. I wouldn't overpay, but if they want to move the contract I'd love him on the Flyers. He's overpaid for sure, but they've ridden him hard up there too; with a little less TOI and responsibility I think he could excel.

[kenneycb]

How the hell would Philly be able to get under the cap before the season with him on the roster?

[PedroSpecialK]

They're $3.57m under the cap right now with Walker waived to the AHL and Leighton as the backup. They could send B. Schenn down for Day 1 for $3.11m more in cap space, which is (oddly enough) the exact $6.68m of Bouwmeester's cap hit.

Holmgren is crazy enough... he'll have $5.1m in cap space with Meszaros and Pronger on LTIR and Schenn back up, so I can see why he'd do it. I'd have to believe a package like a 1st, one of Gustafsson/Bourdon, Ranford, and Wellwood would be as far as he'd be willing to go, given his cap situation.

[cshea]

As we await news on today's CBA talks, it appears as though the Habs have extended Max Pacioretty. 6-years, $4.5mm AAV.

[PedroSpecialK]

Per McKenzie, Wayne Simmonds has signed a 6 year, $4m AAV extension with Philly.

[j44thor]

All while Bettman continues to push for 5yr contracts, this is amusing. Not that there is anything wrong with the contract but still funny that any owners would do this at this time.

[MoGator71]

They basically bought his entire prime for under $4M AAV, I love the deal. I get what you're saying re: Bettman and giving 6 years, but that really is a solid deal for the Flyers considering what guys have gotten. I love Simmonds' game, and I wouldn't mind seeing an "A" on his sweater, or even a "C".

[Spaulding Smails]

Hartnell signs an extension, 6 years/$28.5. Real solid deal for Philly, fuck.

[AMcGhie]

4.75/yr seems like right for Harntnell. I think he could have gotten more elsewhere, but the whole "not switching teams, not moving, not relearning shit" is probably worth something.

[Monbo Jumbo]

4.75/yr seems like right for Harntnell. I think he could have gotten more elsewhere, but the whole "not switching teams, not moving, not relearning shit" is probably worth something.

I'm sure his wife didn't want to make new friends.

[MoGator71]

This is iffy. Yes, Hartnell had a good year playing with Giroux, but it's easy to forget that early on he looked like complete crap, was getting 4th-liner minutes, and was apparently being shopped around as something close to a salary dump. I like the guy, and I hope he's the guy we got for most of the year production-wise, but there's also a chance he stops producing and we've got a 4.75AAV falling-all-over-himself goof. But it's a chance I'd take, and overall I'm happy with the deal; with what guys are getting this summer it's fair.

I'm sure his wife didn't want to make new friends.

All joking aside, whenever I read somebody ripping the Flyers for signing guys to long-term team-friendly deals and then dealing them, and how the organization is disloyal to its players I can't help thinking, well conversely you could say they had a guy who was such a team player he fucked his LW's wife, and they acted accordingly and exiled his ass to Columbus. Karma.

Of course, Howson fucked that up too, and Carter ended up with a Cup. But they tried.

[The Napkin]

Hall signs a 7 year deal, 6 AAV. Probably sets the ballpark for Seguin.

[OilCanCoulter]

Hall signs a 7 year deal, 6 AAV. Probably sets the ballpark for Seguin.

Saw this last night, and was thinking the same thing. At this point, is there anyone who has second thoughts about having Seguin instead of Hall? Is it conceivable we could get him signed for less, or was this a bit of an overpay to keep the faux-hawk in Edmonton?

[TheShynessClinic]

Here's Hall's career numbers:

GP G A P +/- PIM
10/11 - 65 22 20 44 -9 27
11/12 - 61 27 26 53 -3 36

Now Seguin's

GP G A P +/- PIM
10/11 - 74 11 11 22 -4 18
11/12 - 81 29 38 67 34 30

Definitely not having second thoughts, when you consider the entire skill set, plus durability.

If Seguin continues his improvement on the same curve from year 2-3 as he did year 1-2...the Bruins may be lucky to wrap him up at Hall's current numbers.

[kenneycb]

Not to mention Seguin can play center.

[jk333]

Hall signs a 7 year deal, 6 AAV. Probably sets the ballpark for Seguin.

Probably; I hate this contract for Edmonton; they're paying the market rate but don't get to watch Hall develop for another season. All this does is tie them to Hall, they should be resigning the right combination of Hall/RNH/Eberle/Yakupov, not getting tied up to a potentially injury prone player. Paying extra money to the best player is better than getting a good deal on lesser (or worse, injured) players.

As an RFA, Hall and Seguin aren't leaving. Even if the Bruins save ~1M/yr, it makes sense to wait a year and watch him develop. (it makes even more sense for the Oilers as they have multiple RFAs to resign and savings would be more important to the Bruins)

Edited by jk333, 23 August 2012 - 10:41 AM.

[The Napkin]

No diving!

The meeting featured representatives of the players, front offices, coaching staff and officials of the NHL in order to discuss several matters pertaining to the rule book. Once the meetings concluded, NHL senior executive vice president Colin Campbell said that the diving discussion was the most enlightening, and the group might’ve come up with a solution for it – a list of known divers to be posted in every dressing room in the league.

[cshea]

The wall of shame is a nice idea and all, but I really don't understand the referees refusal to actually call the penalty. Don't match it up, just call the dive and put the offending team shorthanded. If a player exhibits a pattern of diving, start handing out fines. It is really that simple but, for whatever reason, the ref refuse to put a team shorthanded for diving.

Edited by cshea, 23 August 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[Jed Zeppelin]

What is the point of a wall of shame? The divers know they are diving already. The players know who the divers are. Fans know who they are. CBC announcers are the only ones who act like they don't. If the list leads to something then fine, but don't do this pointless thing and call it resolved.

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

I like the idea. If they expanded the list from NHL dressing rooms to include ref's dressing rooms as well, I'd like it even more.

The players already know they flop and the ref's already know they flop, but it might be some mental reinforcement to both players/refs to (A) not flop because the ref's just saw your name on their "flop list" and (B) start to call flopping since the ref's have some reinforcement (prejudice?) in their locker room before every game.

[The Napkin]

@NHL_Oilers
GM Steve Tambellini announces the #Oilers have agreed to terms with Jordan Eberle on a 6-year $36 million contract extension

link

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Hmm...looks like the Oilers have set the market with Hall/Eberle.

Seguin for $6/year it is.

Edited by Kenny F'ing Powers, 31 August 2012 - 10:50 AM.

[EJPats]

I didn't think this warranted its own thread just yet, but apparently Yandle would love to be a Bruin. That alone isn't a big deal, but this nugget towards the end of the column is very interesting.

"Also hearing that the #Bruins are actively shopping for a top pair d-man to partner up with Chara. Interested in Yandle and Bouwmeester."

"At this very moment, my Boston source informed me that the #Bruins do not have an offer on the table for Bouwmeester, but have 1 for Yandle."

[The Napkin]

a tweet over the weekend from @HockeyyInsiderr

next?

[BoSoxFink]

I didn't think this warranted its own thread just yet, but apparently Yandle would love to be a Bruin. That alone isn't a big deal, but this nugget towards the end of the column is very interesting.

The piece also speculates that it could be a Krejci for Yandle swap that makes sense. If that is indeed the cost, then no thanks. I think the team needs more scoring, not less.

[kenneycb]

Here's a little writeup about Hockey Insiderr for the uninitiated, http://www.csnne.com...53&feedID=10944.

[PedroSpecialK]

next?

Edited by PedroSpecialK, 04 September 2012 - 05:12 PM.

[ForceAtHome]

Colorado names Landeskog as their new captain.

Color me slighty surprised. This was starting to look like a no brainer move to happen... by 2015. It's not like a teenage captain hasn't worked before, though.

[AMcGhie]

The piece also speculates that it could be a Krejci for Yandle swap that makes sense. If that is indeed the cost, then no thanks. I think the team needs more scoring, not less.

Last year the B's were tied for 2nd in Goals For with Phi at 3.17, only behind Pit who had 3.33. They were 6th in GAA with 2.43/gm behind Phoenix (2.37), Vancouver(2.33), NYR(2.22), LAA(2.07), and St. Louis (1.89). They're also going from Tim Thomas to Tuukka Rask.

I'd be ok with a hit on offense if it means that we shore up the D in front of a still-relatively-inexperienced goalie, I'd go for it. I know Krejci is a great glue player, but a top 3 on D of Seides/Yandle/Chara would be ridiculous. Would it be straight up Yandle for Krejci, or would there be some other pieces?

[MoGator71]

Wow, if I'm Boston I do Krejci for Yandle in a...well, maybe not a cocaine heartbeat, but I definitely make the deal. Yea it's risky, but if you're comfortable with Seguin-Bergeron as your top 2 C's then adding Yandle makes a ton of sense. Especially when your best d-man is on the wrong side of his prime. But this is probably all pointless, since HockeyInsiderr makes Eklund look like Bob McKenzie.

[EJPats]

But this is probably all pointless, since HockeyInsiderr makes Eklund look like Bob McKenzie.

I was unaware of Insiderr's rep, but Napkin's reply clued me in pretty quickly. I certainly had no idea he was worse than Eklund. I didn't know you could be worse than Eklund.

[kenneycb]

Eklund: Slightly more reliable than a 17 year old!

[NickEsasky]

Oh you cynics. The extra R is for reliable!

[The Napkin]

And the extra Y is for the extra chromosome..

In other news, I know people talk about poor attendance in PHX and other places but saw this this morning:

John Buccigross ‏@Buccigross
Tampa Rays drew 17,652. The White Sox, leading AL Central, drew 15,698. A’s crowd was 11,688 for a big game with rival Angels last nite

Retweeted by Michael Hurley

I know, 80 games vs 40, etc. But still. Some pretty poor crowds for teams in the thick of things down the stretch. I don't really have much of a point (what else is new) but thought it was vaguely interesting to read before my first cup of coffee.

[kenneycb]

The White Sox at least have the excuse of being right next to the projects and in an area where there's been an absurd amount of shootings this summer.

[Ed Hillel]

It's September, idiots.

[Spacemans Bong]

Tampa and Oakland are two of the hottest relocation candidates in baseball. Jim Caple basically wrote an article this weekend saying Montreal would do better. The White Sox have the shootings issue, and they're also having a surprise year - does anybody really think they aren't going to sell out their playoff games, or draw 2 million or less next year provided Chris Sale's arm doesn't fall off?

Plus the whole crappy Sun Belt crowds issue is being driven by the Canadian media, who (rightly) think they have better markets in Canada waiting for a team. Quebec's got an owner and an arena sorted out and Southern Ontario is flush with possibilities. The best market without an MLB team is probably still Montreal and while I'm a big fan of bringing back the Expos it's nowhere near as good as either QC or SO.

[Blacken]

Quebec can't have a goddamn thing. Brought it upon themselves, they did. Too dangerous, what with the attempted shooting of their separatist premier and all.