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[DanoooME]

First Braylon Edwards, now T.O.? Say it ain't so!

At least Antonio Bryant got released yesterday so the head case brigade at WR is kept manageable.

I'll be curious to see if either one makes the team. I'd say Rice, Baldwin, Tate have 3 spots tied up. The rest, meh, so I hope at least one of them steps up.

Edited by DanoooME, 17 January 2013 - 03:22 PM.

[collings94]

All TO can do for Seattle is poison the lockeroom and ruin Matt Flynn's confidence. The best thing they can do is to not let TO practice, and wheel him in on a board Hannibal Lecter style every Sunday.

[CaptainLaddie]

I've long believed that if TO was willing to get his hands dirty, he'd be a nice kind of Aaron Hernandez type of TE -- he's certainly strong enough to do it, but he'd have to be willing to block from time to time.

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

I've long believed that if TO was willing to get his hands dirty, he'd be a nice kind of Aaron Hernandez type of TE -- he's certainly strong enough to do it, but he'd have to be willing to block from time to time.

From basic perusing it looks like TO is an inch taller and 20 pounds lighter. I don't think you could line him up on the line and count on him for anything other than a help blocker. Hernandez isn't the best blocking TE, but he can hold his own if needed. TO would have to do some serious carbo loading if he wanted to make that kind of transition.

[CaptainLaddie]

From basic perusing it looks like TO is an inch taller and 20 pounds lighter. I don't think you could line him up on the line and count on him for anything other than a help blocker. Hernandez isn't the best blocking TE, but he can hold his own if needed. TO would have to do some serious carbo loading if he wanted to make that kind of transition.

Well then. If he's in fact lost weight then this idea is out.

[Salva135]

Randy, Braylon, Ocho, and TO are all still gainfully employed in the NFL now. Phew.

[wibi]

From last nights pre-season game 1

[phragle]

All joking aside Russell Wilson looked phenomenal last night. The interception was about the worst decision I've ever seen, but outside of that he was perfect.

[wibi]

Russell Wilson will start Friday's pre-season game and rumors are that if he plays well he could be named the week 1 starter.

http://espn.go.com/n...on-start-friday

Seattle Seahawks rookie quarterback Russell Wilson has earned his first start in the team's third preseason game, coach Pete Carroll announced Tuesday, and team sources say a strong performance could elevate him into a starting role for the 2012 regular-season opener.

[wibi]

TO is no longer a Hawk!!!!!!!!!!!

http://espn.go.com/n...eattle-seahawks

The 38-year-old receiver said on Twitter on Sunday that he had been cut by the Seattle Seahawks. NFL teams must reduce their rosters from 90 to 75 players by 4 p.m. ET on Monday.

"I'm no longer a Seahawk. I THANK the organization 4 the opportunity, I'm truly blessed beyond belief. My FAITH is intact & will NOT waiver," he wrote.

Owens, who hadn't played in the NFL since 2010, signed with the Seahawks on Aug. 6 after an impressive workout.

[soxfan121]

You won't have Tavaris Jackson to kick around anymore.

Apparently, Wilson has won the job and Flynn will serve as the primary backup. Shedding the salary, not to mention the suck, was a good move.

[wibi]

[DanoooME]

Wow, I'll have to watch my DVR of the game to see who got that hit in.

Happy to see netting any kind of draft pick for Tarvaris, as I think he was a clear release candidate this week. Even a 7th could be good for them as both of their 7th rounders this year (Scruggs and Sweezy) have a shot of making the team and/or practice squad.. That leaves Wilson, Flynn and Portis as the QB contingent.

T.O. I didn't expect to make the team after watching the Denver game. He looked awful from what I could see. Braylon Edwards will probably get one of the WR spots and if he can keep up his good work, he could be a bargain.

I'm looking forward to watching this team although there's still some things to fix (mainly depth in the OL as the backups have mostly looked horrible and overmatched even against 2nd stringers)

[Tony C]

Washington got the block in. I'm psyched and pumped for this season -- both for the Seahawks and for Petey. Can't help but root for them, and my guess is with Irvin and Wilson getting raves (this from the draft that Kiper ranked worst in the NFL), the team will be a sexy pre-season pick.

[SoxinSeattle]

Kiper is an idiot. Turbin looks like an absolute beast. Might look at him for your fantasy bench.

[Freddy Linn]

Bruce Irvin was unbelievable tonight, albeit against 2's and 3's. He has nightmarish burst.

[DanoooME]

Well, it's a 1-1 start, although it didn't go the way I would have thought, losing to a crappy Arizona team (their current 2-0 record be dammed) on the road 20-16 when they couldn't score on their final drive despite multiple gifts from Arizona or the refs (depending on your point of view), but then physically beating up Dallas at home 27-7.

The defense has played really well, 3rd in scoring defense, 2nd in rushing defense overall, 3rd in yards/carry defense. The pass rush has been lacking, that needs some help.

Special teams have done well for the most part, leading the league in kickoff return average and at least middle of the pack or better in punt returns, and coverages.

Offense is 26th overall in yardage, which breaks down to 7th in overall rushing and dead last in overall passing. They do move up to 31st in yards/att in passing but fall to 12th in yards/rush. The offensive line has been awful, to put it bluntly, particularly against Arizona's constant blitzing. Losing Okung to yet another ankle injury is a big problem. He looks like a guy who'll never hold up over a full season.

Next game is Monday night at home against Green Bay, then road games at St. Louis and Carolina. I'm hoping they aren't 1-4 at the end of that stretch, but it's conceivable. It's also conceivable they could be 4-1. Most likely scenario is that they are 2-3.

[DanoooME]

Yeah, 14-12 over Green Bay.

No further comments tonight.

[Dick Pole Upside]

That DL is going to give Dante, Tom, et al fits if they keep things up. In addition to his impressive burst, Irvin was demonstrating incredible strength and leverage for a guy his size. He ragdolled his opposite number several times...

[TimNJsoxfan]

a win is a win is a win is a win

[Montana Fan]

As a one time attendee at whatever Seahawks stadium is named, that is a tough place to play. Im 2006 the Giants went in there and it was 42-3 when I left for Montana midway through the 3rd quarter. The Giants and Eli had about 8 false starts, many of which were Eli's fault. I only caught a little of the game last night but that D and that crowd were in a frenzy. During the week leading up to the game I attended, the Giants accused the Seahwaks of piping in noise. The fans were riled up and louder than any crowd I had ever heard. Deafening. I wouldn't want to be the visitor in Seattle during the postseason.

[CaptainLaddie]

a win is a win is a win is a win

Well...

[MarcSullivaFan]

That DL is going to give Dante, Tom, et al fits if they keep things up. In addition to his impressive burst, Irvin was demonstrating incredible strength and leverage for a guy his size. He ragdolled his opposite number several times...

Came here to post this but you beat me to it. Lost in the refereeing disaster is the fact that Seattles D looked fantastic. They have a number of really, really good players: Irvin, Red Bryant, Earl Thomas, Clemons--and the new(er?) corners looked very solid. Russell Wilson isn't there yet, but I've been impressed by his ability to minimize errors and connect on the occasional big play. The long touchdown to Tate in the first half was a thing of beauty. The Pats are going to have their hands full.

[Compass Rosy]

John Boyle @johnpboyle
Interesting note on Seahawks 8 sacks. Clemons noted the job Flynn did in practice mimicking Rodgers' pocket movement. Said it was a big help

ah... the embedded Packer.

[DanoooME]

Finally catching up, a disappointing loss to the Rams 19-13 in which the defense played well again except they didn't get as much pressure on Bradford as they did Rodgers. Special teams were okay. The rushing game had another good day (5.3 YPC overall, Marshawn was at 5.9), but this time it was turnovers that killed them (3 INTs, 2 in Ram territory). The right side of the OL was a sieve most of the game and that desperately needs improvement. It's becoming clear for next year's draft that OL will be a big priority after a playmaking WR, since no one except Tate has shown any signs of making big plays (disputed or not).

[SteveF]

Watched a few of their games. They play a lot of cover 1 and cover 1 robber, but oftentimes it's zone in the middle of the field while the corners just play man on the #1s (they don't blitz very often out of cover 1 -- normally you associate cover 1 with blitzing). That leaves a ton of bodies covering the middle of the field on intermediate routes. Their safety plays very, very deep in cover 1 -- like 24 yards off the line of scrimmage at the snap of the ball deep. The ends often play 9 technique (lining up outside the TE) in obvious passing situations, and they often stunt out of it and that's caused some offensive lines serious problems.

Screen passes haven't been overly effective against them.

From what I saw, they horizontally bracket dangerous slot receivers, which is different from how teams have been defending the Patriots (most teams have been using two safeties to bracket the slot receivers -- #2s or #3s-- veritcally while playing man coverage on #1). The inside zones seem to pass off out breaking routes and match to the inside breaking routes. A few times they busted coverage on double moves when you could get the free safety to bite on an inside breaking route from the other side of the formation. The problem for the opposition is that double moves take time to execute, and Seattle's pass rush hasn't exactly been giving teams lots of time to find open guys.

The team is pretty disciplined on the edges. Since they play alot of cover 1, with 8 in the box they've been tough to run on. Running outside will be tougher than running inside from the games I saw them play.

It will be interesting to see if they play as much cover 1 against the Patriots as they have against everone else. I suspect they will, given the boost to the run defense. Defensively, given the Patriots lack of speed on the outside, I'd say Seattle matches up pretty well with them. This should be among the toughest tests (in addition to San Fran, but that's at home) the Patriots offense faces all year.

[DanoooME]

Seahawks pull out a 16-12 win on the road at Carolina to get to 3-2. They shut down the Cam Newton led pass offense completely (12-29 for 108 net yards). They did give up 5.3 per carry on the ground, although much of that was Newton scrambling. Take his numbers out and the RBs went 12 carries for 40 yards (3.3 per carry). The defense gave up 1 field goal at the end of the first half and that was it (Carolina's other points were an INT return for TD and the deliberate safety at the end of the game). The offense continues to struggle with turnovers, a fumble and two picks this game left them at -2 for the game and the season. They did dominate time of possession with almost 36 minutes. This is the kind of game they need to play to keep the defense fresh and effective.

Another big test for the defense this week against the Pats. Steve F provides a good accounting above. The Seahawks general philosophy is to shut down the run early and often and dare teams to beat the secondary, which has been really good again this year. My major concern is going to be Gronkowski. I suspect KJ Wright is going to have his hands full covering him and they might have Earl Thomas give him a lot of help. The Seahawks' team speed has been a big factor in their success, particularly in the run game, so I'd expect the Patriots would try to run inside as much as possible to try and negate some of that speed. This should be an interesting matchup as the coaching staff is starting to take the reins off of Russell Wilson a little and open up the offense a little more.

[Compass Rosy]

Really looking forward to Sunday....

Battle of the bests

These teams don't face each other much but, interesting to note that Brady has never thrown a pass in Seattle.

Here's to the C-Link advantage...
Ranking the NFL's toughest stadiums | ESPN

[Super Nomario]

I broke down Seattle's pass rush against Green Bay (when they had 8 sacks in the first half and 0 in the second). I concluded the biggest difference was Rodgers getting rid of the ball super-quickly. I think the TE will be key this week, in chipping the DE and in giving Brady a safety valve.

http://davebreaksdow...ks-packers.html

[Compass Rosy]

whodathunk that 3 of the 4 Seahawks wins would be vs. the Boys, the Pak and the Pats?

Nice to see the continued progression of Mr. Wilson.

Really tall order coming up in 4 days...

Edited by Compass Rosy, 14 October 2012 - 06:45 PM.

[Turrable]

I hope the Sonics move back and then get contracted.

[DanoooME]

Big win over the Pats 24-23 for a number of reasons. One, they move into a 3-way tie for first with the Arizona loss at home to Buffalo (snicker) and the surprising SF loss at home to the Giants (a much better team than Buffalo). Two, the big comeback from 13 down with 1/2 a quarter to go. While the Pats secondary was a big help down the stretch, it's good to see the offense execute. When the OL plays well (and they have been spotty), the offense moves down the field steadily. Three, they've opened up the offense even more, trusting Wilson to make good decisions (which he has all year, very few plays where you shake your head and wonder what he's thinking). They kept a tight rein on Wilson early on, letting him get comfortable with certain elements of the offense, trusting that Lynch and the running game could handle the bulk of the offensive load (with mixed results for the first 4 weeks). We saw the offense loosen up a little last week against Carolina and now a little more against the Pats.

Some notes:

Turnovers continue to be an issue, no picks from Wilson, but he did fumble in the pocket and the Miller fumble really could have been a killer.

Only 3.3 YPC on the ground, which you have to give a lot of credit to the Pats D for shutting that down early in the game.

Penalties were way down to 4 for 35 yards, 2 false starts in the first half, a hold that made a 3rd and 10 into 3rd and 20 in the 3rd quarter and the blow to the head which gave NE a first down on 3rd and 7.

Mixed day for the punt team, Ryan had the fumble, but did average 60 yards per punt, but only netted 43 yards per punt after the returns.

The defense gave up 475 yards of total offense, 388 of that passing, but considering they did have 85 plays, the Pats only got their season average of 5.6 yards per play and held them under their season scoring average. After the first two TD drives, they only yielded 3 FGs.

Thursday is a huge game at San Francisco. The #2 and #3 scoring defenses face off. This game will be for at least a share of the division lead. With an 0-2 record in the division already, this is a big one for the Seahawks.

[CaptainLaddie]

Dick Sherman needs to learn to shut the fuck up.

[wibi]

Dick Sherman needs to learn to shut the fuck up.

He didnt talk the talk until after he (and the D) walked the walk.

And FWIW some of his comments were responding to Brady's comment about shutting the 12th man up

[CaptainLaddie]

He didnt talk the talk until after he (and the D) walked the walk.

And FWIW some of his comments were responding to Brady's comment about shutting the 12th man up

Yeah, but Brady never said that.

"This place will be really loud," Brady predicted. "Deion [Branch, who played four seasons in Seattle] said in opening warm-ups, just the way the stadium is built, it feels like there’'s a lot of energy and a lot of sound. It’'s going to be fun. It will be fun for us players . . . They have a lot of very talented players and it’'s a challenging place to play. They play well at home."


"It'’s always nice when you take 53 guys on the road and you say, '‘This is all we'’ve got and this is all we need and this is what we have to do.'’ And see 70,000 fans, if you can keep them quiet or turn them on their own team. I think that’s an exciting part for road teams, is to see if you can get them booing their own players."

Right. So not exactly what Sherman claiming what Brady said. He didn't even MENTION the words "12th man". He even praised the Seattle defense.

Now he's taking on the field trash talking and spewing it to the media? He's a clown.

Edited by CaptainLaddie, 15 October 2012 - 02:02 PM.

[Mystic Merlin]

I think Sherman is using Rex's translator.

He even included a 'we physical, they finesse' to cap it off (is there a more vacuous, counterfactual, downright stupid thing you could say about a professional football team with guys like Mankins/Welker/Wilfork/Spikes?). Maybe he's been listening to Braylon Edwards a bit too much, I don't know.

Edited by Mystic Merlin, 15 October 2012 - 02:01 PM.

[Fishercat]

Laddie got there before I could say it. I mean, it's not even as bad as what Schilling said about quieting down the Bronx.

I'm guessing that the coaching squad did a really good job at pumping up their team for this game by taking anything and making a big deal out of it.

And for all the good work their defense did (and let's be honest, the pressure of the front seven causing at least one INT and an IG and the rain were two big factors stopping Brady from putting up a monster day beyond what he did), Brady nearly put 400 yards up on them and were probably a bobbled pass to INT and intentional grounding away from getting 29 put up on them, at home, in the rain. I thought Sherman looked fantastic out there, but this seems like the kind of game you basically say "good game, we did well, we're excited" and move on.

Edited by Fishercat, 15 October 2012 - 02:06 PM.

[wibi]

Christ you guys get butt hurt easily. Stop trolling the Seattle thread with your butthurt we lost to Seattle so we are going to call them douches and tools so we feel better about our team losing. There are many other threads on SoSH were you can comment on your belief that Seattle players are douchey but FFS stay the fuck out of the one decent Seattle thread

[Mystic Merlin]

I'd call it more amusement than butthurt (very Jets-esque stuff), but fair enough.

[Ed Hillel]

To be fair, Sherman is going out of the way to make this a national story. It's the second story on ESPN now. If he had gone out of his way to say the same about Rodgers, the story would have ended up in this thread, no? I can't see how this doesn't create distractions for Seattle, but maybe they have the kind of defense that will thrive on that. Pete's not going to stop him, or anyone else, we can be sure of that.

[CaptainLaddie]

Christ you guys get butt hurt easily. Stop trolling the Seattle thread with your butthurt we lost to Seattle so we are going to call them douches and tools so we feel better about our team losing. There are many other threads on SoSH were you can comment on your belief that Seattle players are douchey but FFS stay the fuck out of the one decent Seattle thread

Oh Christ almighty.

Sherman took a tiny comment in which Brady PRAISED the Seattle defense and turned it into something offensive.

It's one thing to use that kind of stuff to pump you up -- all these guys do it. It's another to make it into a national story on your own. Sherman's a fucking clown, and the only reason you don't think he is is that he's a Seahawk.

To be fair, Sherman is going out of the way to make this a national story. It's the second story on ESPN now. If he had gone out of his way to say the same about Rodgers, the story would have ended up in this thread, no? I can't see how this doesn't create distractions for Seattle, but maybe they have the kind of defense that will thrive on that. Pete's not going to stop him, or anyone else, we can be sure of that.

Exactly. If he said this about Rodgers or Brees or whomever, this is where the story would go.

Edited by CaptainLaddie, 15 October 2012 - 02:35 PM.

[gammoseditor]

According to the ESPN story Sherman followed Brady off the field to talk his ear off. I don't care what team it is that's classless. He and the Seahawks earned the right to gloat. They deserved the win. But teams win every week without following the other teams leader off the field telling him he sucked.

[DanoooME]

Sherman should just let his play do his talking for him.

Having said that, here's the part that seems to be left out of the stories nationally.

CB RICHARD SHERMAN "I kept saying I’m going to get that next time. Every TV timeout, I went up and said it right to (Brady): ‘Please keep trying me. I’m going to take it from you.’ That was when they were winning. He just gave me that look and said, ‘Oh, I’ll see you after game.’ Well, I made sure I saw him after the game."

It started out as typical trash-talking during the game and escalated from there. Personally, I think trash-talking is counterproductive. All it does is inspire the other guy. Maybe a few get so pissed that it takes them out of their game. Most of the time it backfires IMO. It's disappointing, but part of that is relatively little veteran leadership. There are 6 guys 30 or older on the 53-man and the only one older than 30 is Marcus Trufant at 31. So they are a young team. I'm not using that as an excuse, but there isn't that Reggie White-type leader on this team that can help with something like that.

Some of it is playing the respect card. Here's the other part of his quote:

“They’re going to say, ‘What’s wrong? He threw two picks. Well, he should have thrown five picks. If Earl catches every one, then it’s a long day for him. People don’t understand. We’ve got great players out here. We’ve got great players in the Pacific Northwest. The Seattle Seahawks have a lot of talent. People, they don’t look at the film. They don’t analyze anything. That’s why these analysts and commentators need to shut their mouth.”

I'm not saying it's justified but this kind of shit happens all the time. I'm surprised anyone gets up in arms about it any more.

Edited by DanoooME, 16 October 2012 - 08:26 AM.

[Fishercat]

I'm not saying it's justified but this kind of shit happens all the time. I'm surprised anyone gets up in arms about it any more.

I'm guessing if it just stayed on the field, it would be a non-story (even when Sherman and Thomas approached Brady after the game). And if it stayed with the post-game interviews, it might have been a news blip or two. When it continued on to social media as a one-sided barrage is where it really began to build attention.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Lots of shit talk from a defense that gave up 475 yards.

I mean, it's harmless and I get why they're doing it, but still.

It's entertainment, so I except this type of stuff to go on. Best way to stop it is to kick their asses next time and not take moronic grounding penalties and make dumbfuck decisions.

[Ed Hillel]

I'm not saying it's justified but this kind of shit happens all the time. I'm surprised anyone gets up in arms about it any more.

Trash talking is more than fine on the field, but the issue here was when he chased Brady down as Brady was walking off the field, started screaming in his face, and then tweeted the picture of it, all well painting Brady as a guy who was aggressively disrespecting the players and fans. It's pretty weak.

[Compass Rosy]

I'm not saying I think the trash talkin' after the fact is the bee knees but, Brady did ask for it, so to speak

paraphrased

....they were up 23-10 and Earl Thomas said, "Man you got lucky man - I shoulda had 3 from you today, I dropped 2 of 'em. I shoulda had 3."
Brady says, "Man what are you talking about? Look at the scoreboard, I'll see you after the game. See me after the game and we'll talk."

podcast

[CaptainLaddie]

Right, and the thing is that 99.9% of the time, that trash-talking stays on the field and isn't brought up in the freakin media. Wasn't this what the whole KG/Charlie Villenueva thing was about?

[Tony C]

Well, whatever. But do have to give props to Pete Carroll. People around Boston love to mock the guy -- not a Parcells-style tough guy, which is ok by me. He's done a hell of a job both at USC and now at Seattle. The drafts, in particular, have been off the charts -- reamed by the Mel Kipers of the world, but looking really good.

Sure as hell wish they'd dropped passes like they did tonight last week versus the Pats, though.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Well, whatever. But do have to give props to Pete Carroll. People around Boston love to mock the guy -- not a Parcells-style tough guy, which is ok by me. He's done a hell of a job both at USC and now at Seattle. The drafts, in particular, have been off the charts -- reamed by the Mel Kipers of the world, but looking really good.

Sure as hell wish they'd dropped passes like they did tonight last week versus the Pats, though.

A helluva job in Seattle? He's currently 18-21 there. Maybe he's got them on the right track or something, but let's not get too hasty. Let's see how they do over the rest of this year first.

He's 51-52 in his NFL coaching career. The only place he had a decent run of success is ironically NE, where he went 27-21 and won a playoff game. This would point to his underrating by NE fans, of course.