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[Corsi]

Practically DOA.

With Crawford up, Lillibridgw to be DFA'd

https://twitter.com/...949933642489856

Edited by Corsi, 16 July 2012 - 02:35 PM.

[bosockboy]

Not shocking but its hard to believe part of the return for Youk is valued lower than Gomez.

[Red(s)HawksFan]

So much for the thought that this "image-conscious" front office wouldn't DFA Lillibridge with Youk riding into town. Probably for the best...maybe they can sneak him through waivers and he'll accept an assignment to Pawtucket. He's not great, but he's still depth.

[uncannymanny]

Hopefully they don't go by looks and accidentally DFA Buchholz.

Where does this leave the IF depth chart? Gomez was playing 1B a few days ago, but didn't look particularly great there.

Punto @ 3B, SS, 2B(?)
Ciraco @ 2B, SS
Gomez @ 1B, ?

Edited by uncannymanny, 16 July 2012 - 02:48 PM.

[Quintanariffic]

Another fantastic job by Cherington getting two nickels for a quarter, and one of those already fell out of his pocket.

[Lose Remerswaal]

Hopefully they don't go by looks and accidentally DFA Buchholz.

Where does this leave the IF depth chart? Gomez was playing 1B a few days ago, but didn't look particularly great there.

Punto @ 3B, SS, 2B(?)
Ciraco @ 2B, SS
Gomez @ 1B, ?

Ortiz?

[uncannymanny]

Ortiz?

This should really be a desperation, last resort in extreme emergency. The potential of losing our best threat at the plate to put him in over any of the others is not a wise move.

[Rudy Pemberton]

Another fantastic job by Cherington getting two nickels for a quarter, and one of those already fell out of his pocket.

This. So, he acquires this guy, who his manager appears to have no use for (and who appears to be terrible), and then dumps him a few weeks later. Perhaps Stewart was the real key to the deal, and Lillibridge was never meant to be here long, but seems like a real curious set of events.

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Hopefully they don't go by looks and accidentally DFA Buchholz.

Where does this leave the IF depth chart? Gomez was playing 1B a few days ago, but didn't look particularly great there.

Punto @ 3B, SS, 2B(?)
Ciraco @ 2B, SS
Gomez @ 1B, ?

Gomez is already back in Pawtucket.

The question is who's backing up the corners since Aviles, Ciriaco and Punto have the middle covered. Ortiz and Saltalamacchia are probably the primary back-ups at first, with Punto as a break-glass emergency option.

[Adrian's Dome]

Gomez is already back in Pawtucket.

The question is who's backing up the corners since Aviles, Ciriaco and Punto have the middle covered. Ortiz and Saltalamacchia are probably the primary back-ups at first, with Punto as a break-glass emergency option.

Lavarnway could always come up if someone gets hurt to platoon 1B/C/DH.

[C4CRVT]

Another fantastic job by Cherington getting two nickels for a quarter, and one of those already fell out of his pocket.

If every decision was in a vacuum, today's was the "right one" (kind of). But on the whole, the value of KY was all but lost for nothing other than sheer idiocy.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Another fantastic job by Cherington getting two nickels for a quarter, and one of those already fell out of his pocket.

This made me laugh. Absolutely true...and still two weeks to go until the trade deadline!

[lexrageorge]

The team did get $1M in salary relief; that alone will keep Cherington in ownership's good graces.

[mauidano]

Hopefully they don't go by looks and accidentally DFA Buchholz.

This is funny and I'm sad to see Clay's twin go...sorta. But not as sad as the crying kid in Chicago.

And as this all relates to the Youk trade...whatever. Youk had to go.

[Eric Van]

I've been saying for a while this was the right thing to do, but I bought the SoSH CW and thought they wouldn't do it. He'll probably end up at Pawtucket and get a chance to play more, which might help him.

Meanwhile, a Nava / Sweeney / Ross platoon in RF could be very productive. And double meanwhile, they've got to teach one of those guys how to play 1B. ASAP. Papi and Salty are the only two guys besides Gonzalez on the roster who have played as much as professional inning at 1B. So right now they can't even run for Gonzalez without either losing the DH or moving Salty from behind the plate.

Edited by Eric Van, 16 July 2012 - 03:26 PM.

[mauidano]

I've been saying for a while this was the right thing to do, but I bought the SoSH CW and thought they wouldn't do it. He'll probably end up at Pawtucket and get a chance to play more, which might help him.

Meanwhile, a Nava / Sweeney / Ross platoon in RF could be very productive.

Has Nava played RF at all? Just happy he made "the cut" and will remain.

[smastroyin]

It is worse to compound the mistake of thinking he was going to be useful when you traded for him by continuing to think he is useful after he has proven that he isn't. The worst thing Ben could have done was keep him on the roster just so he had something to show for the Youkilis trade. So, I guess what I'm saying is that I'm glad they did it.

[glennhoffmania]

It is worse to compound the mistake of thinking he was going to be useful when you traded for him by continuing to think he is useful after he has proven that he isn't. The worst thing Ben could have done was keep him on the roster just so he had something to show for the Youkilis trade. So, I guess what I'm saying is that I'm glad they did it.

Yup, it was the right move. But it still shows how awful the Youkilis deal was. Hopefully Stewart becomes a usable pitcher in the future.

[Quintanariffic]

It is worse to compound the mistake of thinking he was going to be useful when you traded for him by continuing to think he is useful after he has proven that he isn't. The worst thing Ben could have done was keep him on the roster just so he had something to show for the Youkilis trade. So, I guess what I'm saying is that I'm glad they did it.

The Wikipedia entry for "damning with faint praise" should be linked to this post.

[TomRicardo]

This made me laugh. Absolutely true...and still two weeks to go until the trade deadline!

I expect our bullpen depth will get a little deeper with every Thanks for everything thread

[Buzzkill Pauley]

I expect our bullpen depth will get a little deeper with every Thanks for everything thread

With Lillibridge DFA'd there must be room for another utility player on the roster...

[Cellar-Door]

Gomez is already back in Pawtucket.

The question is who's backing up the corners since Aviles, Ciriaco and Punto have the middle covered. Ortiz and Saltalamacchia are probably the primary back-ups at first, with Punto as a break-glass emergency option.

3rd should be fine with Punto (aviles or ciriaco in an emergency) I'm guessing 1st is Ortiz and Punto? If there is an injury to Gonzo they'd call up one of Gomez, Lars, LaRoche.

[Savin Hillbilly]

Lavarnway could always come up if someone gets hurt to platoon 1B/C/DH.

I suppose he could, although the first inning he plays at 1B for the Red Sox will also be the first he plays at any professional level. If we're going to ask somebody to learn a new position midseason, I might prefer it to be somebody relatively athletic, like Sweeney or Ross. Sweeney has the right size for the position (6'4"), so I would ask him first.

[Red(s)HawksFan]

I suppose he could, although the first inning he plays at 1B for the Red Sox will also be the first he plays at any professional level. If we're going to ask somebody to learn a new position midseason, I might prefer it to be somebody relatively athletic, like Sweeney or Ross. Sweeney has the right size for the position (6'4"), so I would ask him first.

I think Lavarnway could back up 1B in the same way that guys like Sean Casey and Casey Kotchman were effectively the back-up 3B on past Red Sox teams by allowing Youks to move over. Lavarnway can catch or be on the bench as the back-up to Shoppach to free up Salatalamacchia to play 1B.

[MikeM]

Another fantastic job by Cherington getting two nickels for a quarter, and one of those already fell out of his pocket.

Except Youk wasn't even worth a quarter at the time, and the trade never revolved around acquiring that nickle piece in the first place. Lillibridge was the lesser third throw in of a flyer/salary dump trade, nothing more. Implying in any shape or form that Ben somehow zeroed in on Lillibridge as some desirable target is not only a purposeful misrepresentation of the surrounding circumstances, it's just plain silly imo. I mean c'mon, i laugh as much as the next guy at that picture of Ernie talking on the phone, but let's not too carried away with the criticism here.

I'm happy to see Youk putting up the sexy SS again since this trade. I was even happier for him 2 days ago, before his 8 game hit streak got snapped by 2 straight 0-4 games (although i hope this latter continues the next couple days). But at the core, nothing has changed between then and now imo. Kevin Youkilis still wouldn't have any legitimate trade value, he still wouldn't of been happy as a backup, and this team (arguably more then ever in recent memory) would still be best served giving every AB possible to Middlebrooks for the remainder of this cinderella-hopeful season.

Hopefully we can sneak Lillibridge through waivers and he'll take the AAA tour, but i doubt it.

Edited by MikeM, 16 July 2012 - 05:37 PM.

[Eric Van]

Has Nava played RF at all? Just happy he made "the cut" and will remain.

Came into the system as a RF, was gradually moved to LF and played there exclusively the last two years, but still has more total RF than LF in the minors. No reason he can't play there decently. He's been +11 in LF this year, which you can regress halfway to the mean, and the rule of thumb moving from LF to RF is losing 6 ... so that makes him average in RF.

[Sprowl]

Nava was quite poor as a left-fielder when he first came up in 2010: -15.6 UZR/150, which is pretty damn bad, even in Fenway's cozy left field. In 2012 he is +11.1. By observation he really has been better: he's got an accurate and fairly strong arm, he has gotten better at playing the wall, and he doesn't drop balls when he gets his glove on them. His range is limited for a fulltime rightfielder in Fenway. I think that he would make a competent stopgap in right field, mostly because of his arm -- whatever else he might fail to do, Nava would not miss the cutoff man.

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With due regard to the subject of this thread, let us bid a sentimental but dignified farewell to Lilli Marleen

[SoxScout]

GordonEdes: Red Sox trade Lillibridge to Cleveland for minor league reliever De La Torre

[Lose Remerswaal]

Shame he has no first name, but I like those numbers

[Bowlerman9]

Shame he has no first name, but I like those numbers

Jose?

[joe dokes]

Shame he has no first name, but I like those numbers

With those numbers, you'd think Joe of the Torre would have had the proverbial cup of green tea somewhere along the way. I'm guessing that the 2011 ride through 3 levels of the Mets system was injury-related.

[Otis Foster]

De La Torre could be another Jason Neighborgall and it still would be a winner for the RS.

[joe dokes]

De La Torre could be another Jason Neighborgall and it still would be a winner for the RS.

Wow! I wonder how a Neighborgall-Shaq Thompson matchup would go.

[Cellar-Door]

Wow! I wonder how a Neighborgall-Shaq Thompson matchup would go.

well it's probably 50-50.

[Dick Pole Upside]

Wow! I wonder how a Neighborgall-Shaq Thompson matchup would go.

In 10 AB's, ST would K 10 times, but reach first each time on 3rd strike wild pitch.

Push.

[mabrowndog]

De La Torre got the save in his PawSox debut this afternoon, working a scoreless 9th. A leadoff single to old friend Yamaico Navarro, a fielder's choice grounder, and swinging K's of Jeff Larish and Chase d'Arnoud. 12 pitches, 9 strikes.

[Van Everyman]

Cue folks saying they would prefer Navarro to Aviles.

[roundegotrip]

Any chance this foreshadows shipping a relief pitcher (or two) before the deadline?

[Cuzittt]

Any chance this foreshadows shipping a relief pitcher (or two) before the deadline?

In and of itself, no.

But... the Red Sox have on the active roster: Aceves, Albers, Melancon, Miller, Morales, Padilla and Tazawa... with Atchison coming off the DL soon and Andrew Bailey eventually coming back. And they have Chris Carpenter on rehab right now too.

And, in Pawtucket... they have Bard, de la Torre, Mortensen, Mark Prior and Alex Wilson who could all be reasonable bullpen additions.

So... yeah, I think some bullpen arms go at the trade deadline.

[mabrowndog]

Any chance this foreshadows shipping a relief pitcher (or two) before the deadline?

I'd like to hope so, though I doubt JTLD would be the one getting promoted to Boston. More likely he'd provide bullpen depth at AAA with Mortenson/Wilson or perhaps Prior getting call-ups.