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[OttoC]

Alex Prewitt of the Boston Globe writes that Clay Buchholz will miss his next start because of illness according to Valentine. Possible placements are still being considered--Atchison or Mortenson, the the bullpen; Aaron Cook, who is scheduled to start for Pawtucket tonight or tomorrow's starter, Mathis.

http://www.boston.co...as/extra_bases/

[Corsi]

Cook no longer starting for Pawtucket tonight, so it'll be him.

[drtooth]

With Morales starting tonight, it may have to be a call up given that you may not get more than 5 innings tonight. A couple of back-to-back 4-5 starts could tax this pen. No off day until July 5 and they head out on a west coast trip at the end of this week.

[drtooth]

Cafardo reporting it will be Cook. Has only made 1 rehab start and went 4 innings.

Edit: MiLB Gameday now has Jeremy Kehrt starting for the PawSox.

Edited by drtooth, 23 June 2012 - 05:29 PM.

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

Illness? Must be the toxic clubhouse.

[ookami7m]

Hoping that this isn't tied to the Youkilis rumors. Wouldn't shock me, but I'd hate to see Buchholz traded

[lexrageorge]

Hoping that this isn't tied to the Youkilis rumors. Wouldn't shock me, but I'd hate to see Buchholz traded

Doubtful. A team short on starting pitching is not going to trade one of their cost-controlled starters.

[ookami7m]

Doubtful. A team short on starting pitching is not going to trade one of their cost-controlled starters.

Generally agree but if Ben thinks this team isn't going to get there this year - anything is possible for the right return. Again would be surprised.

[JimBoSox9]

Really? I mean, come the fuck on. I know we're all on edge for impending trade news, but do we really need to dive off the cliff of trade speculation because a guy that MAKES ZERO SENSE TO BE TRADED got scratched?

Clay is not going anywhere soon. Per-fucking-iod.

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Generally agree but if Ben thinks this team isn't going to get there this year - anything is possible for the right return. Again would be surprised.

The Sox are 1.5 games out of the playoffs and has had as many injuries as any team in the majors. Who in their right mind would conclude the Sox "aren't going to get there" this year?

Yeesh.

[maufman]

Really? I mean, come the fuck on. I know we're all on edge for impending trade news, but do we really need to dive off the cliff of trade speculation because a guy that MAKES ZERO SENSE TO BE TRADED got scratched?

Clay is not going anywhere soon. Per-fucking-iod.

The logical flaw isn't the notion that Buchholz might be traded (anything's possible), but rather that the Sox would scratch him more than 18 hours before his next start without a firm deal in hand.

I'm curious whether he'll miss a start altogether, or if he'll just get pushed back a couple days -- which would give the other guys in the rotation an extra day's rest.

[DLew On Roids]

According to ESPN.com, the Red Sox' playoff odds are 39%. The day of the White Flag Trade in 1997, the White Sox' playoff odds were 15%.

A throw-in-the-towel trade would not only be a bad idea right now, it would be insane.

[maufman]

Valentine says Buchholz likely to be skipped, not pushed back. (Per MLB.com, sorry for lack of linkage.)

[AB in DC]

Have they announced who's coming of the 25-man to make room for Cook?

[Buzzkill Pauley]

WTF?

EEI Baseball Show: Buchholz apparently going to the DL for his "illness" to make room for Cook.

[fineyoungarm]

WTF?

EEI Baseball Show: Buchholz apparently going to the DL for his "illness" to make room for Cook.

So, is it his back that is "ill"?

[Max Power]

I'd guess that they're looking to get his arm and back a couple week break in the middle of the season and this seemed like the easiest time to do it.

[Plympton91]

15-day DL for an illness? What is it, Lyme Disease? Mono again?

[genivive]

Michael Silverman ‏@MikeSilvermanBB
#RedSox not being 'creative' w Buchholz' illness for roster-spot reasons. It's real, not throwing-related & he's in hospital.

[YTF]

Funny (not ha ha funny) to come here and read this. Thought it strange that yesterday he's scratched with an "illness" and this morning still no word on what that illness is. Usualy if a guys sick it's "he's got a touch of the flu"....."He's caught something that's going around the clubhouse."....."He's been fighting off a bit of a cold so we're going to push him back a few days." ......usually some sort of explanation that lets you know he's going to just skip a start or get moved back a day or two. The word "illness" is a bit vague and vague usually means they don't know, which can be concerning or they know and they're not saying.

[86spike]

My god each new DL trip gets weirder and weirder.

He probably caught a flesh eating virus from rat-shit infused rain puddles in Fenway.

[BoSoxFink]

I'm a little concerned now that this could be something much worse. I hate throwing the word "cancer" around but I hope it isn't something that drastic as that would be just awful luck, like it was with Lester.

[RedOctober3829]

Gastro-intestinal(or intestinal turnoil) issue according to Abraham.

[genivive]

I would bet on something a bit less dramatic

[YTF]

From the Herald.........
http://www.bostonher...141074&srvc=rss

[JMDurron]

It's going to take a little more effort than usual to figure out how this is the medical staff's fault, anyone going to take a crack at it yet? Bonus points for including data that goes back through multiple medical staffs in the blame logic.

[fineyoungarm]

It would be helpful to get confirmation (or denial) that he is in the hospital. If we have the earlier skipped start, DL AND hospitalization that is one heck of a bum stomach.

[genivive]

Its reportedly GI bleeding from Ibuprofen. If one pill is good four should work better....

Edited by genivive, 24 June 2012 - 10:27 AM.

[RedOctober3829]

Clay Buchholz intestinal bleeding likely caused by anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen

Joe Amorosino

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

Its reportedly GI bleeding from Ibuprofen. If one pill is good four should work better....

It would probably help if Buchholz could actually read the label. Or count.

[barbed wire Bob]

It's going to take a little more effort than usual to figure out how this is the medical staff's fault, anyone going to take a crack at it yet? Bonus points for including data that goes back through multiple medical staffs in the blame logic.

Its reportedly GI bleeding from Ibuprofen. If one pill is good four should work better....

Damn medical staff. Don't they know that Clay has a sensitive stomach.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

It would probably help if Buchholz could actually read the label. Or count.

The classic million-dollar arm, ten-cent head is none other than Clay Buchholz.

[radsoxfan]

Its reportedly GI bleeding from Ibuprofen. If one pill is good four should work better....

The binge drinking likely didn't help either....

If anyone on the Red Sox would have this problem, I definitely would have put my money on Clay.

[YTF]

It would probably help if Buchholz could actually read the label. Or count.

Medical staff should have done that for him. I blame them.

Edited by YTF, 24 June 2012 - 11:08 AM.

[singaporesoxfan]

It would probably help if Buchholz could actually read the label. Or count.

He doesn't get paid to read.

[Harry Hooper]

The next question is what is causing so much pain or inflammation that he's gobbling down pills.

[JMDurron]

It would probably help if Buchholz could actually read the label. Or count.

Well, he's a pitcher. If he had the bottle of pills, and was looking for a sign of how many to take, if somebody waved at him, he might automatically take too many.

Edited by JMDurron, 24 June 2012 - 11:51 AM.

[DannyHeep]

My god each new DL trip gets weirder and weirder.

He probably caught a flesh eating virus from rat-shit infused rain puddles in Fenway.

More likely that it is fish shit from a Fenway puddle.

[YTF]

The next question is what is causing so much pain or inflammation that he's gobbling down pills.

Exactly and why not something other than Ibuprofen if it was that bad? Don't always want to assume the worst from the Sox medical staff, but have to guess they would have cautioned against so much Ibuprofen if they were aware of what was going on. Spectulation, but have to wonder if Buchholz was reluctant to say anything given that he turned his season around.

[RedOctober3829]

Exactly and why not something other than Ibuprofen if it was that bad? Don't always want to assume the worst from the Sox medical staff, but have to guess they would have cautioned against so much Ibuprofen if they were aware of what was going on. Spectulation, but have to wonder if Buchholz was reluctant to say anything given that he turned his season around.

It could be as simple as him taking the ibuprofens on an empty stomach which can cause damage. We don't know what went wrong, so idle speculation about the incompetence of the medical staff isn't the best way to discuss this issue.

[Harry Hooper]

It could be as simple as him taking the ibuprofens on an empty stomach which can cause damage. We don't know what went wrong, so idle speculation about the incompetence of the medical staff isn't the best way to discuss this issue.

Not questioning the medical staff, I'm assuming this was a self-medicating regimen.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Not questioning the medical staff, I'm assuming this was a self-medicating regimen.

Oh yes, I think there's about a 120% chance that this was caused through self-medicating.

[AimingForYoko]

Its reportedly GI bleeding from Ibuprofen. If one pill is good four should work better....

Good Lord. My "yellow fever for WMB" prediction isn't looking so far-fetched. Get better, Clay.

It could be as simple as him taking the ibuprofens on an empty stomach which can cause damage. We don't know what went wrong, so idle speculation about the incompetence of the medical staff isn't the best way to discuss this issue.

This is absolutely true. Also, sometimes if you take even more than 2 more of the recommended dosage you can do damage. As will taking it in the same time frame as alcohol. And taking other pills (allergy meds for example) in the same time-frame. There's a reason you're not supposed to do these things, even though many, many people do.

So no, I won't jump on the medical staff right now. Shit happens.

[czar]

I unconditionally love how a couple tweets appear and this thread immediately devolved into an absurd hypothetical analysis of how many ibuprofens Clay took and why he took them.

DID HE TAKE FIFTEEN OF THEM BECAUSE HE'S STUPID?

DID HE TAKE THEM BECAUSE HIS BACK IS SECRETLY SCREWED UP?

DID HE TAKE THEM BECAUSE THE INCOMPETENT MED STAFF TOLD HIM TO?

DID HE EVEN TAKE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Edited by czar, 24 June 2012 - 11:48 AM.

[Lupe Whalewatch]

In the year leading up to my back surgery I took so much Advil I developed a bleeding ulcer in my intestine...it's pretty common for these guys to pop 4-6 Advil a clip, and it adds up quick if you are dealing with any prolonged pain management issue. The bigger issue is the back or something else bothering him enough to be pounding aspirin...

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

A lot of these guys live on NSAIDs in-season, so no big surprise there. He may have just taken them on an empty stomach, washed them down with a few beers.... GI bleed FTW. Guess he's on Celebrex only now.

[lexrageorge]

Jumping on the medical staff for this is just dumb. Sometimes even the standard dose of Ibuprofen can cause stomach bleeding, even under supervised treatment. Uncommon in athletes in their mid-20's, but not unheard of. As said above, could be a self-medicating issue, or could have been just bad genetics/luck/phase of the moon.

[YTF]

It could be as simple as him taking the ibuprofens on an empty stomach which can cause damage. We don't know what went wrong, so idle speculation about the incompetence of the medical staff isn't the best way to discuss this issue.

Nothing in the post you cited claimed that. It was to the contrary actually.

[YTF]

Jumping on the medical staff for this is just dumb. Sometimes even the standard dose of Ibuprofen can cause stomach bleeding, even under supervised treatment. Uncommon in athletes in their mid-20's, but not unheard of. As said above, could be a self-medicating issue, or could have been just bad genetics/luck/phase of the moon.

Haven't seen anyone jump on the medical staff yet.

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

Haven't seen anyone jump on the medical staff yet.

I'd like for someone to jump on my medical staff. HEYO!