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[Cuzittt]

2012 First Year Player Draft

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ROUND	Pick #	Player	Position	Bats/Throws	School	State	Notes	Signing Slot/Actual Bonus
1	24	Deven Marerro	SS	R/R	Arizona State	AZ		$1.75 million/$2.05million
1 SUP	31	Brian Johnson	LHP	L/L	Florida	FL		$1.575 million/TBD
1 SUP	37	Pat Light	RHP	R/R	Monmouth	NJ		$1.394 million/$1 million
2	87	Jamie Callahan	RHP	R/R	Dillon High School	SC		$566K/$600K
3	118	Austin Maddox	RHP	R/R	Florida	FL		$401K/TBD
4	151	Ty Buttrey	RHP	L/R	Providence Senior High	NC		$291K/$1.3 million
5	181	Mike Augliera	RHP	R/R	Binghamton	NY	Senior	$218K/TBD
6	211	Justin Haley	RHP	R/R	Fresno State	CA		$164K/TBD
7	241	Kyle Kraus	RHP	R/R	University of Portland	OR	Senior	$143K/TBD
8	271	Nathan Minnich	1B	L/R	Sheppard College	WV	Senior	$134K/TBD
9	301	Michael Miller	SS	R/R	Cal Poly San Luis Obispo	CA	5th Year Senior	$125K/TBD
10	331	James Watkins	C	R/R	United States Military Academy	NY	Senior	$125K/TBD
11	361	Jamal Martin	CF	R/R	William T. Dwyer High School	FL
12	391	Mike Meyers	SS	R/R	Silverado High School	NV
13	421	Jeffrey Wendelken	RHP	R/R	Middle Georgia College	GA
14	451	Dylan Chavez	LHP	L/L	Mississippi	MS
15	481	Carson Fulmer	RHP	R/R	All Saints Academy	FL
16	511	Stephen Williams	RHP	R/R	Seminole State College	OK
17	541	Willie Ethington	RHP	R/R	Mountain View High School	AZ
18	571	Shaq Green-Thompson	OF	R/R	Grant High School	CA
19	601	Iseha Conklin	SS	R/R	Iowa Western Community College	IA
20	631	Gregory Larson	RHP	R/R	Florida	FL	Senior
21	661	Jake Davies	1B	L/L	Georgia Tech	GA	Senior
22	691	Joseph Greenfield	RHP	R/R	South Suburban College	IL
23	721	Brandon Magee	CF	L/R	Arizona State	AZ	Senior
24	751	Keaton Briscoe	2B	L/R	University of British Columbia	BC
25	781	Khiry Cooper	OF	R/R	Nebraska-Lincoln	NE
26	811	Jacob Nelson	RHP	R/R	Lake Stevens High School	WA
27	841	Quinn Carpenter	RHP	R/R	Goshen Central High School	NY
28	871	Wes Rogers	CF	R/R	JL Mann High School	SC
29	901	Alex Bregman	2B	R/R	Albuquerque Academy	NM
30	931	Justin Taylor	RHP	R/R	Farmville Central High School	NC
31	961	Austin Davis	RHP	R/R	Southern Mississippi	MS	Fifth Year Senior
32	991	Hunter Wood	RHP	R/R	Rogers Heritage High School	AR
33	1021	Chris Carlson	OF	L/L	Orange Coast College	CA
34	1051	Xavier Turner	3B	R/R	Sandusky High School	OH
35	1081	Pat Delano	RHP	R/R	Braintree High School	MA
36	1111	Miguel Rodriguez	C	R/R	North Carolina-Charlotte	NC	Senior
37	1141	Jonathan Dziedzic	LHP	R/L	Lamar University	TX
38	1171	Donald Smith	C	R/R	Claifin University	SC
39	1201	Kurt Schluter	RHP	R/R	Stetson University	FL
40	1231	Kevin Heller	CF	R/R	Amherst College	MA	Senior
UFA	N/A	Kevin Mager	2B	R/R	Rollins College	FL	Senior

Color Guide
Purple = College
Green = Prep/HS
Orange = JUCO
Red = Signed

[Sox Pride]

This year, it should include "slot money" and "signed for"
And try and keep a tab on our total pool and our total pool plus 5%

I fully expect the Sox to not sign everyone. I think they signed some tougher signability guys late, in case someone like Butters doesn't sign. So then they can use the excess money they were going to throw at Butters and go after some of the late tough sign guys.

It's always good to have a backup plan when dealing with 17-year-olds.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

If they don't sign someone, they lose that chunk of "slot money." So they can't then pass it along to other draftees who might be tough signs. It appears that the only way to transfer funds is to sign someone for less than that slot's allocated money and then transfer the remainder. So not signing Butters would be nothing but a loss beyond the pick it would generate for next year.

Edited by Snodgrass'Muff, 07 June 2012 - 09:13 AM.

[FFCI]

I'm going to try to rephrase and elaborate on Sox Pride's message - I think there is a good point in there and is an important part of analyzing this year's draft.

With the new rules in place for the draft - the Red Sox have a bonus pool of $6.884 million to spend on their 12 draft picks in the first 10 rounds.

The next $344,000** they spend beyond (5% overage) would be taxed at 75 cents on the dollar, and cost them only more money (no draft pick loss).

From rounds 11-40, players can receive bonuses up to $100,000; however, any bonus above $100,000 would count against the bonus pool from the first 10 rounds.

Tracking the recommended bonus/slot bonus for each pick vs. their actually signing bonus will keep track of where the team stands in relation to its total bonus pool/aka spending cap for the draft.

While Snod correctly points out that if they don't sign someone (in the first 12 picks) - that slot money is lost and taken from the bonus pool. However, if the player they fail to sign (i.e. Buttrey) would have required overslot money - there is a "freeing" up of the overslot amount to be re-allocated to another draft pick.

[JoeyBelle]

I will be interested to see if any below-slot guys use the leverage of the "found money" to negotiate higher bonuses. That is to say, if I am drafted in a slot that has a bonus allocation of $1M, and the team offers me $500k hoping to use the other $500k for someone else, I have some leverage to ask for $600k knowing that if I don't sign, the team doesn't get the extra $500k to use towards another draftee's bonus.

[OCD SS]

I will be interested to see if any below-slot guys use the leverage of the "found money" to negotiate higher bonuses. That is to say, if I am drafted in a slot that has a bonus allocation of $1M, and the team offers me $500k hoping to use the other $500k for someone else, I have some leverage to ask for $600k knowing that if I don't sign, the team doesn't get the extra $500k to use towards another draftee's bonus.

I'd be surprised if the Sox didn't call the "advisior" for Johnson and Light (and anyone else who falls into this category to talk beforehand. I'd bet the bonus parameters for these guys are pretty close to set in some cases.

[LeftyTG]

I will be interested to see if any below-slot guys use the leverage of the "found money" to negotiate higher bonuses. That is to say, if I am drafted in a slot that has a bonus allocation of $1M, and the team offers me $500k hoping to use the other $500k for someone else, I have some leverage to ask for $600k knowing that if I don't sign, the team doesn't get the extra $500k to use towards another draftee's bonus.

This is why the team drafted a lot of college seniors in the first ten rounds. A college junior might be able to play that leverage game, or even back out of a pre-draft "understanding", but a college senior has very little leverage - either sign and take your shot at pro ball, or good luck in indy ball.

[Joshv02]

I'd be surprised if the Sox didn't call the "advisior" for Johnson and Light (and anyone else who falls into this category to talk beforehand. I'd bet the bonus parameters for these guys are pretty close to set in some cases.

Right - which is why, despite the "leverage," Blue Jay's senior draftee Tucker Donahue signed for less than $10k (terms undisclosed) with a slot value of over $300k. Presumably, in an alternative world, he could have held out for something less than $300k, but greater than $9,999. But, he was probably asked "will you sign for $7500 if we draft you?" and said "yes" before he was picked.

[Cuzittt]

First half of the draft is up... second half in the next day or two.

[santadevil]

I just wanted to post this, because he's a Canadian kid and was playing in the same summer wood bat league that I used play in as well.

Keaton Briscoe, drafted 751st overall
I've never met him and with that low of a pick, I doubt he'll amount to much, but still nice to see.

Side note: Current most famous WMBL alumni, John Axford.

[Sox Pride]

@Snodgrass

FFCI elaborated on my point pretty well. If Butters doesn't get signed, we lose the 291K+5% from the bonus pool.

But presumably some of the other selections were made with the idea of signing them for below slot, so that we can throw that excess money at Butters to get him to sign - say Maddox signs for 200K, that's ~220K extra we can offer Butters

If he chooses not to sign with us for whatever reason, we still have that additional 220K we can use to entice other hard signs later in the draft.

[bosox79]

Why would Butters generate a pick for next year? It used to be the first 3 rounds, did that change?

Edited by bosox79, 07 June 2012 - 02:09 PM.

[SoxScout]

Why would Butters generate a pick for next year? It used to be the first 3 rounds, did that change?

I am trying to find something different from this:

Teams can also earn compensation for unsigned picks from the previous year's draft. If a team doesn't sign a first or second round pick, they will get to pick at the same slot plus one the following year. For example, if the team with the #5 pick does not sign that player, they would have the #6 pick the following year. The regular draft order would continue around those picks. For compensation for not signing a third round pick, teams would get a pick in a supplemental round between the third and fourth rounds. If a team fails to sign a player with one of these compensated picks, there is no compensation the following year.

But not seeing anything.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Why would Butters generate a pick for next year? It used to be the first 3 rounds, did that change?

That was a brainfart on my part. We were talking about Butters being a potential over slot signing and I just bumped him up to a higher pick than he was in my mind. I blame a lack of sleep, which would also cover me misreading Sox Pride.

[Dewy4PrezII]

After talking to my friend I do believe Buttrey has signed for a bonus north of 1million. Hopefully they announce it soon

[The Boomer]

The seniors picked in rounds 5 and 7-10 hold the key to the whole draft. If Aguilera takes (for example) $150,000 less and the other 4 seniors take $100,000 less each, that would free up $550,000 to pay Buttrey or others over their designated slot bonus. Bonuses ranging between $25,000 and $68,000 (more or less) for those 5 seniors who otherwise lack negotiation leverage seems like more than they would have been paid if they had been picked, as might have been predicted, after Round 10. Everybody else selected ahead of them was picked close enough to expectations to sign for the slot bonus except maybe for fellow senior Brian Johnson. If he takes a little less, that could free more money (but not much more). That means that Buttrey would need to accept more or less than $800,000 for his total bonus above slot. If they pay $100,000 per player for top 200 types who fell to Round 11 or below, I assume that would trigger no tax penalty. Am I right?

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Mostly, yes. The only point I'd add is that a few seniors have already signed for four-digit bonuses. It'll be interesting to see which teams free up the most money of their senior signees. I think this is where drafts are going to be won.

A point I must add: the Red Sox tied for the most senior draftees before round ten (with the Blue Jays, Rangers and Yankees)... IMO, the Sox did pretty what they've always done... just in a weaker draft class. High floor early, high ceiling late. They're working with a significantly lower budget this year. The Jays have $2m more to spend, so of course they're going to take the guys most people wanted the Sox to take.

It's just not something we can draw conclusions from until July 13...

[Green Monster]

Curious if teams get any additional margin for over slot money to be spent to persuade "Two-Sport" athletes to play baseball.

[JakeRae]

Curious if teams get any additional margin for over slot money to be spent to persuade "Two-Sport" athletes to play baseball.

No.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Yeah. You see, we're trying to force athletes away from the game here...

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Yeah. You see, we're trying to force athletes away from the game here...

This is the thing that bugs me the most about the new CBA. In trying to create competitive balance, they're going to drive talent to other sports which weakens the game as a whole. How could MLB not see that coming?

[RedOctober3829]

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The <i>Hagerstown Herald-Mail</i> <a href="http://articles.hera...-university">is reporting</a> that the Red Sox have signed <a href="http://news.soxprosp...l">eighth-round draft pick</a> <a href="http://www.soxprospe....htm"><b>Nathan Minnich</b></a>. Details of the contract have not been released, though it is expected to be below the slot recommendation for the 271st pick of $133,500.

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[Cuzittt]

Draft listing now complete.

[mabrowndog]

Sox sign 8th-rounder Nathan Minnich per SoxProspects.

Details of the contract have not been released, though it is expected to be below the slot recommendation for the 271st pick of $133,500.

[mabrowndog]

Sox sign 4 more

The players signed are:

Fifth-rounder Mike Augliera, who had an 83-to-7 strikeout-to-walk ratio for Binghamton.

Seventh-rounder Kyle Kraus, a 5-foot-11 right-hander out of the University of Portland.

Ninth-rounder Mike Miller, a 5-foot-8 shortstop out of Cal-Poly.

Tenth-rounder J.T. Watkins of Army, an impressive catch-and-throw guy who will play this summer before he starts his military service in the fall; Watkins is the son of Red Sox area scout Danny Watkins.

Terms of the bonuses were not available.

The team is also close to deals on three of its other picks from the first 10 rounds. Supplemental first-rounder Pat Light, a hard-throwing starter out of Monmouth whom scouting director Amiel Sawdaye described as having one of the best fastballs in the draft, is close to signing, as are second-rounder Jamie Callahan (a high school right-hander out of South Carolina who throws in the mid-90s) and sixth-rounder Justin Haley, a 20-year-old right-hander out of Fresno (more on him here).

[Cuzittt]

14th rounder Dylan Chavez is on the Lowell preliminary roster... so it is a good assumption he is signed.

[Jeff Van GULLY]

13th Rounder JB Wendelken signed for $100k today according to Jim Callis.

[Orel Miraculous]

The Sox are going the Danny Ainge route with Shaq,* signing him to play in the minors during the summer while he plays college football in the fall. It looks like this guy at least as good at football as Ainge was at basketball, though, so its unlikely he ultimately chooses baseball. Maybe the concussions will scare him away. I would love to see a guy with this type of outlook on the game stay in baseball:

“I’m just glad I played baseball again because I realized how fun it is, how much I missed it,” Thompson told the Sacramento Bee after the draft. “I know it’s a game of failure and it is a hard game to adjust to. I’m looking forward to meeting new people in baseball, then it’ll be football.”

*As you can see in the EEI article, the Sox drafted Shaq THOMPSON, not Shaq Thomas who's a basketball player.

[soxhop411]

RT @mattyports: #RedSox draft pick Jamal Martin ) says he met GM Ben Cherington and some players yesterday in Miami. Still negotiating.

[jnlevetoncnmt]

Brian Johnson is scheduled to start for Florida vs South Carolina on Saturday night, 9PM, ESPN and ESPN3 if anybody wants to watch him pitch.

[jscola85]

The Sox are going the Danny Ainge route with Shaq,* signing him to play in the minors during the summer while he plays college football in the fall. It looks like this guy at least as good at football as Ainge was at basketball, though, so its unlikely he ultimately chooses baseball. Maybe the concussions will scare him away. I would love to see a guy with this type of outlook on the game stay in baseball:



*As you can see in the EEI article, the Sox drafted Shaq THOMPSON, not Shaq Thomas who's a basketball player.

While Thompson is a very good recruit, I'd say its a stretch at this point to say he's anywhere near as likely to succeed in football like Ainge did in the NBA. Ainge played for 16 years on championship-level teams. Meanwhile, guys in the top 150 of recruiting regularly do not even get drafted. Look at where the top 25 from ESPN's 2007 class ended up:

Joe McKnight - 4th round pick
Chris Galippo - no NFL
Marc Tyler - no NFL
Eric Berry - top 5 pick
Martez Wilson - 3rd round pick
Noel Devine - no NFL
Terrance Tolliver - no NFL
Michael McNeil - no NFL
Jimmy Clausen - 2nd round pick
Marvin Austin - 2nd round pick
Golden Tate - 2nd round pick
Ryan Mallett - 3rd round pick
Gary Gray - no NFL
Brian Maddox - no NFL
Carlos Dunlap - 2nd round pick
Tyrod Taylor - 6th round
Arrelious Benn - 2nd round pick
Marshall Jones - no NFL
Junior Hemingway - no NFL
Allen Bailey - 3rd round pick
Tray Allen - no NFL
Greg Little - 2nd round pick
Antwain Easterling - no NFL
Christian Scott - no NFL
John Brantley - no NFL

More than half those guys never even get drafted, and another quarter of them will likely be cut and out of the league within 3 years. Not saying that Shaq is going to be a football bust, but I wouldn't be placing him as a 10-year NFL vet right now.

[Cuzittt]

Light is signed

Today, Pat Light departs for the Lowell (Mass.) Spinners, the short-season Class A affiliate of the Red Sox.

[SoxScout]

Light got $1M. Callahan is official as well, money unknown: http://fullcount.wee...jamie-callahan/

Edited by SoxScout, 15 June 2012 - 11:38 AM.

[Diamond Don Aase]

Sixth-rounder Justin Haley has been added to the Lowell Spinners' roster.

[bosox79]

Buttrey is apparently a Resock.

[SoxScout]

alexspeier: #redsox announce signings of 11 draft picks, including 4th-rounder Ty Buttrey, who will get a lot of the redistributed money

[Section15Box113]

MattHuegelSP:

High-upside outfielder Shaq Thompson also among those the #RedSox officially announce as signed. 18th rounder expected to sign for &gt;$100k.

Edited by Section15Box113, 15 June 2012 - 02:51 PM.

[SoxScout]

jimcallisBA

Bonus on #RedSox 2nd-rder Jamie Callahan: $600k (pick value=$565,600). South Carolina HS RHP touches 94, has good brk stuff.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

Continue to love the Pat Light pick. Very underrated as a Northeast college arm going into the draft. The guy had a full ride to Monmouth, which is not only rare in college but also to a school that's tuition is $40k? I don't know that he sticks as a starter, but he'll be a quick riser if they develop him as a reliever.

96 with a ton of movement...

[cwright]

Baseball America has an article here focusing on the "loophole" that the Sox and others are trying to exploit in this draft, namely the picking of cheap signs in rounds 6-10 to expand the bonus pool for their other picks. The Jays in particular will reportedly sign several of their 6-10 picks to 4-figure bonuses.

Will MLB address that loophole with a minimum signing bonus for rounds 6-10 in future years?

[Joshv02]

It isn't really a loophole, per say. It is just a strategy. BA talked about it on the draft blog while it was happening.

I doubt MLB cares. The point of the draft caps is to lower bonuses - and they'll do that. MLB doesn't care who you sign. They care what you pay.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

There's really nothing more MLB can do to "close the loophole" beyond going to a hard slot bonus structure.

[LeoCarrillo]

The Red Sox have signed No. 24 pick Deven Marrero to a contract with a $2.05 million bonus, according to Baseball America's Jim Callis.

This kid's defense is supposed to be excellent. I'm beginning to envision Bogaerts in RF.

[SoxScout]

We really had to pay him that much over slot? That sucks.

Edited by SoxScout, 17 June 2012 - 05:46 PM.

[Rudy Pemberton]

You really hate this guy, don't you?

[TomRicardo]

We really had to pay him that much over slot? That sucks.

Why?

[SoxScout]

You really hate this guy, don't you?

He's ours now so I hope he rips it up and flys through the system.

Why?

I just figured he was a slot guy and there would be 300K more to play with.

[TheGoldenGreek33]

I just figured he was a slot guy and there would be 300K more to play with.

I wasn't sure what to expect. I mean, a lot of people saw him going before 24, so he had leverage. The Sox have about $1.77 mil left (depending on what J.T. Watkins got) to get Johnson ($1.575m slot) who should be below slot, and Maddox ($400.5k slot) signed. There's no reason to think they'll be penalized, though. I think Maddox gets at or damn near close to slot, which leaves Johnson at $1.360m.

[Dewy4PrezII]

I guess my friend was right...good to see them signing guys quickly.

[finnVT]

There's really nothing more MLB can do to "close the loophole" beyond going to a hard slot bonus structure.

Well, they could do something like have any signings well below slot still count as, say, 90% of the slot when calculating how much has been spent towards the cap. So you could still sign cheap guys to save money, but it would limit how much of that money could get rolled over to other players.