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[Salva135]

http://www.boston.co...red_on_har.html


They jettisoned Brandon Marshall, who else on the team is even remotely interesting besides Reggie Bush? I guess we're going to learn a lot about Tannehill! Maybe we'll get some insights on how they prep for the Pats under the new regime.

Really wish the Jets went for it. Oh well, this will still be great.

[Youkilis vs Wild]

It's an interesting enough QB competition to merit a lot of coverage, I think.

[Montana Fan]

I heard on the radio that 26 teams had turned Hard Knocks down. But if you're gonna suck I guess there's no such thing as bad publicity.

[SidelineCameras]

I understand why the Dolphins want it, but I don't understand why HBO wants them. If they really did only have 6 teams to choose from...ouch.

[BucketOBalls]

I understand why the Dolphins want it, but I don't understand why HBO wants them. If they really did only have 6 teams to choose from...ouch.

And the dolphins were the best of the bunch?

What 6 teams would they be?

[sodenj5]

A wide open QB competition, a team trying to move on with a new head coach, new offensive identity, trying to move on from jettisoning Brandon Marshall. If nothing else, there are a lot of wide open positional battles on the offensive side of the ball. Not saying it will make for great television, but it's something.

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

You just described, like, 6 other teams.

It's like your a Dolphins fan or something...

[wutang112878]

I dont think the Dolphins are a great choice, but there are probably a handful of teams that are really interesting like say the Jets, Saints, Giants, Eagles, Broncos, etc. Those teams would probably add to the ratings, but after those interesting teams I dont think the ratings will change much if they were choosing between the Dolphins, Bucs, Bills, Browns, Bengals, Jags, Titans, Colts, Raiders, Chiefs, Rams, Cardinals, Bears, or Vikings and thats almost half the league. These are teams that just arent super intriguing so if they were choosing among these teams the choice really doesnt matter, and a QB controversy is probably a good storyline to run with.

[Oil Can Dan]

Honestly I can't believe any team would want to do this. I'm not sure who evaluates this and decides the distraction is worth the exposure.

[sodenj5]

Miami doesn't have any primetime games this year with the exception being a Thursday night game against Buffalo in November. This is the best thing they can do to generate a buzz around the team and stir up some ticket sales and get the team some national exposure.

[Shelterdog]

Miami doesn't have any primetime games this year with the exception being a Thursday night game against Buffalo in November. This is the best thing they can do to generate a buzz around the team and stir up some ticket sales and get the team some national exposure.

Well, other than winning games. With Marty Moore under center, probably not an option.

[Clears Cleaver]

They actually had a winning record with Moore last year and had the Pats down 23-0. As a Dolphins fan this reeks of deseration by the owner/GM. they should just parade Tannehill'w wife around for 30 minutes. A first year coach has to deal with this nonsense? terrible idea

[Salva135]

It really is a knock on the series itself that it has such difficulty finding a taker. I mean, the Falcons turned them down, and they are one of the least interesting teams in the league. Why doesn't NFL Films just propose this type of endeavor? If Belichick is trusting enough of their operation (he spoke at length about their value to the documentation of the history of the game) to let them hang around his team for an entire season, surely other teams would be trusting enough to let them put together an excellent training camp documentary?

Edited by Salva135, 31 May 2012 - 12:21 PM.

[DrewDawg]

http://www.boston.co...red_on_har.html


They jettisoned Brandon Marshall, who else on the team is even remotely interesting besides Reggie Bush?

Since a lot of football players are kind of anonymous, perhaps interesting characters will develop as we watch.

[86spike]

It really is a knock on the series itself that it has such difficulty finding a taker. I mean, the Falcons turned them down, and they are one of the least interesting teams in the league. Why doesn't NFL Films just propose this type of endeavor? If Belichick is trusting enough of their operation (he spoke at length about their value to the documentation of the history of the game) to let them hang around his team for an entire season, surely other teams would be trusting enough to let them put together an excellent training camp documentary?

uh... NFL Films runs the entire thing. It airs on HBO, but it's almost entirely an NFL Films production.

[Salva135]

uh... NFL Films runs the entire thing. It airs on HBO, but it's almost entirely an NFL Films production.

Huh... I didn't know that. In that case, the lack of interest from teams is even more perplexing. Training camp is a big deal, but I can't see how the presence of a few cameras has a material effect on what they are doing there.

[Shelterdog]

They actually had a winning record with Moore last year and had the Pats down 23-0. As a Dolphins fan this reeks of deseration by the owner/GM. they should just parade Tannehill'w wife around for 30 minutes. A first year coach has to deal with this nonsense? terrible idea

They were 6-6 with Moore starting, 6-7 if you count the Chargers game where he took over for Henne in the second period.

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

They actually had a winning record with Moore last year and had the Pats down 23-0. As a Dolphins fan this reeks of deseration by the owner/GM. they should just parade Tannehill'w wife around for 30 minutes. A first year coach has to deal with this nonsense? terrible idea

You don't really put a whole lot of stock in that, right?

[Clears Cleaver]

no, but Moore wasnt the reason they sucked last year. he is an aveage NFL quarterback. they have a terrible o-line and little speed on offense or defense

[sodenj5]

no, but Moore wasnt the reason they sucked last year. he is an aveage NFL quarterback. they have a terrible o-line and little speed on offense or defense

The D actually played significantly better after shitting away several should-have-been wins for the Fins. They coughed up leads in the 4th quarter like it was their job. I mean, against the Browns? Really?! Not sure if the lockout had anything to do with it, but they eventually pulled their heads out of their collective asses and played much better down the stretch. They're changing over to a 4-3 look, so they're going to have to mix and match personnel to make it work. I was surprised they resigned Soliai after shifting to the 4-3. He's a run stuffer, but a classic nose tackle.

The offense is lacking significant playmakers, for sure. I like their backfield with Bush, Daniel Thomas, and Lamar Miller, who I think was an absolute steal and will replace Bush in a year to two. With the offense they're installing, you don't need to have a superstar Alpha receiver, just a good group of receivers with a quarterback that can accurately spread the ball around. I'm not going to try and pretend like they have a good group of receivers. Bess is a very good slot man, and I think he can do well in the new offense, but Hartline hasn't been much more than a role player, and everyone else after those two is really a question mark.

The QB battle should be interesting to see play out. Moore is the incumbent, and as CC said, he wasn't the reason they were losing games. He's an average starting NFL QB, no more, no less. Garrard is a veteran, who in his prime led his team to the playoffs and was an above average NFL QB. How much does he have left in the tank and how will his back hold up remain to be seen. Tannehill is obviously the future of the QB position. Most people agree that he should sit to start the year and let Moore and Garrard duke it out, and let Tannehill ride it out until next year. The problem is, he already knows the offense better than either Moore or Garrard, and if the QB race is really wide open, and Tannehill proves he can best run the offense out of the 3, I have a hard time seeing them sitting him just because he's a rookie. It's a two sided coin because you may get an Andy Dalton performance, or you might see Blaine Gabbert 2.0.

[Bucknahs Bum Ankle]

That post went approximately three paragraphs beyond anyone's level of interest in the Dolphins

[Shelterdog]

That post went approximately three paragraphs beyond anyone's level of interest in the Dolphins

It's an annual ritual. sodenj5 goes on and on about how Dolphins are actually way better than their crappy record, we tell him that that's very interesting, pat him on the head, and then ask him if he'd like ants on a log for a snack before his afternoon nap.

[Clears Cleaver]

The D actually played significantly better after shitting away several should-have-been wins for the Fins. They coughed up leads in the 4th quarter like it was their job. I mean, against the Browns? Really?! Not sure if the lockout had anything to do with it, but they eventually pulled their heads out of their collective asses and played much better down the stretch. They're changing over to a 4-3 look, so they're going to have to mix and match personnel to make it work. I was surprised they resigned Soliai after shifting to the 4-3. He's a run stuffer, but a classic nose tackle.

The offense is lacking significant playmakers, for sure. I like their backfield with Bush, Daniel Thomas, and Lamar Miller, who I think was an absolute steal and will replace Bush in a year to two. With the offense they're installing, you don't need to have a superstar Alpha receiver, just a good group of receivers with a quarterback that can accurately spread the ball around. I'm not going to try and pretend like they have a good group of receivers. Bess is a very good slot man, and I think he can do well in the new offense, but Hartline hasn't been much more than a role player, and everyone else after those two is really a question mark.

The QB battle should be interesting to see play out. Moore is the incumbent, and as CC said, he wasn't the reason they were losing games. He's an average starting NFL QB, no more, no less. Garrard is a veteran, who in his prime led his team to the playoffs and was an above average NFL QB. How much does he have left in the tank and how will his back hold up remain to be seen. Tannehill is obviously the future of the QB position. Most people agree that he should sit to start the year and let Moore and Garrard duke it out, and let Tannehill ride it out until next year. The problem is, he already knows the offense better than either Moore or Garrard, and if the QB race is really wide open, and Tannehill proves he can best run the offense out of the 3, I have a hard time seeing them sitting him just because he's a rookie. It's a two sided coin because you may get an Andy Dalton performance, or you might see Blaine Gabbert 2.0.

I agree with all of this. I think ODrick is a huge player this year. he is going to counted on to be the pass rusher opposite Wake a lot of the time (Misi is being moved to the middle). If he can live up to his first round grade, he changes the defense as much as anyone.

whomever lsoes out in the garrard v moore battle probably gets traded. And I think Hartline steps up this year in terms of productivity.

[Clears Cleaver]

ahhhh, just think in three short years Brady and Belichick will be gone and the Pats will be irrelevent. And we can spend pages and pages of text talking about Tannehill and his hot wife:

https://twitter.com/...7789057/photo/1

reality is that this draft will make or break Ireland. a lot of quesitonable picks

[McBride11]

Simple: they had the biggest story of the draft...

Heisman baby!



Well the above post didn't load on the phone...

Edited by McBride11, 02 June 2012 - 09:00 PM.

[ShaneTrot]

The Dolphins have made two huge mistakes in the last in the last 6 years, they passed on Brees in 06 and drafted Long instead of Ryan. I don't care how good Long is you don't win because you have a great left tackle without the QB. May their ineptitude continue!

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Where does Ted Ginn Jr rank?

[sodenj5]

Where does Ted Ginn Jr rank?

Considering it was either him or Brady Quinn, probably not as high as you think.

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Hah!

[pdaj]

At least one (possible) reason for Patriot fans to tune in:

http://www.rotoworld...cinco-this-week

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports that the Dolphins will work out free agent Chad Ochocinco this coming week.
Ochocinco wants to play for the Fins, and there seems to be at least some mutual interest. For a guess on what it might cost to sign Ochocinco, Lee Evans inked a one-year, $1.497 million contract with the Jaguars in April. The deal included a $250,000 signing bonus, with nearly $200,000 available through weekly in-season bonuses.

[Mystic Merlin]

ahhhh, just think in three short years Brady and Belichick will be gone and the Pats will be irrelevent. And we can spend pages and pages of text talking about Tannehill and his hot wife:

https://twitter.com/...7789057/photo/1

reality is that this draft will make or break Ireland. a lot of quesitonable picks

As opposed to three long years?

Anywho, you've gone from calling Brady average in '09 to praying for his departure, so I'd say we're making progress.

EDIT - Actually, I misrepresented what you said:

(Clears Cleaver @ Dec 6 2009, 03:55 PM)
Brady is just not that good anymore

...

Brady = mediocre QB

Wanna make sure I'm accurate! Your soothsaying has been......mediocre at best when it comes to Brady, or this team.

Edited by Mystic Merlin, 09 June 2012 - 03:01 PM.

[Clears Cleaver]

As opposed to three long years?

Anywho, you've gone from calling Brady average in '09 to praying for his departure, so I'd say we're making progress.

EDIT - Actually, I misrepresented what you said:


Wanna make sure I'm accurate! Your soothsaying has been......mediocre at best when it comes to Brady, or this team.

lolol. I wrote that during the dolphins game when Brady couldn't move and they hit him repeatedly. lolol. well, they have won the same number of super bowls as Miami since then while the Fish have had Moore, et al at QB. Wow, 8 years since the Pats won, just looked it up. so you have three years left to win another. Its like the Sox...had their chance in 2008 but really have not been relevent team since and likely won't win another WS in the next five years given their talent level. Pats fans forget how disheartening it can be when your QB and coach suck.

the dolphins have not been relevent in 15 years. hard to do that in today's NFL

[CaptainLaddie]

You're an idiot.

[Mystic Merlin]

lolol. I wrote that during the dolphins game when Brady couldn't move and they hit him repeatedly. lolol.

So? We heard this shit a lot during a season in which Brady put up numbers that most QBs could only dream of, albeit below his own lofty standards. And then he followed it up with an MVP season and another season in which he was in the conversation for another. Hell, we also heard about how the end was imminent during that '09 season, and look how well that turned out. There's been a good 5-6 years or hoping and wishing and praying on the part of other fanbases, and it just hasn't happened. It's all you have, though, so I wouldn't begrudge you that.

well, they have won the same number of super bowls as Miami since then while the Fish have had Moore, et al at QB.

Because, as we know, there are no degrees of success short of winning a title. Undefeated regular season, two SB appearances, three conf. title berths, six division titles. Yep, essentially, the same level of success as the Miami Dolphins.

Wow, 8 years since the Pats won, just looked it up.

I don't doubt that you had to.

so you have three years left to win another.

Fold up the franchise! Steelers, did you hear that?

Its like the Sox...had their chance in 2008 but really have not been relevent team since and likely won't win another WS in the next five years given their talent level.

Might be true - it's really hard to win a Super Bowl, and nearly impossible without a top-flight QB, and those are not easy to find. Luckily the Patriots seem to do a good job finding QBs.

Pats fans forget how disheartening it can be when your QB and coach suck.

Well, I was about five years old the last time they didn't have Drew Bledsoe or Tom Brady entering a season as a starter, so yes, I forget how 'disheartening' it can be. Oh, and I have no fucking idea what your disheartened state has to do with anything, except as a loose explanation for your butthurt. And it must be butthurt because you're not making any sense.

the dolphins have not been relevent in 15 years. hard to do that in today's NFL

Again, that sucks, and I don't envy that position, but what's that got to do with anything? I mean, you're only telling us what we already knew about the basis of your prognostication.

Anywho, under the Kraft regime, they've done a pretty good job of building a sustainable model, which I suspect will be clear to people when the franchise doesn't utterly collapse post-BB/Brady. Of course, some Patriots fans also see the franchise as tied to BB/Brady's tenures, but that remains to be seen. After all, the Giants and Steelers have proven that you can sustain on-field success and a powerful brand with continuity in effective ownership/management. I suspect it is more comforting to believe that will not be the case, but it remains to be seen.

Oh, I almost forgot lololololololol amirite guys

[Clears Cleaver]

David Garrard is winning the QB battle!

Who's pumped for 2012?

[SaveBooFerriss]

Well, HBO has to love the Ochocinco signing.

[pdaj]

Even as a Dolphin's fan, I wasn't all that excited about the team's Hard Knocks appearance when first announced. But with with Miami writers raving about Coach Philbin's training camp, as well as Tannehill emerging as Garrard's top challenger, I'm starting to come around. Additionally, Reggie Bush is coming off of his best career year and is supposedly in the best shape of his life, Chad Johnson's reportedly looking look in practice, and there's a number of young, intriguing players trying to crack the roster.

Who knows, this could be fun.

[sodenj5]

I too wasn't too excited for Hard Knocks, but all the reports out of camp say that despite missing the first two days of camp, Tannehill has come on very strong. The other stuff doesn't interest me as much, but if the QB competition is a legit 3 horse race, which it appears to be, it should make for good tv.

If Tannehill is the best QB in the preseason, do they sit him anyways? It's known he's still pretty raw, but if he's currently the best option Miami has, do they sit him just to protect him?

[mt8thsw9th]

Good to hear Johnson's looking look in practice

[pdaj]

Good to hear Johnson's looking look in practice

Likewise. He's hard not to root for, so I'm hoping he's at least got a couple of good seasons left in the tank.

In regards to the QB competition, I'm just happy Tannehill's making this a true competition. Still, I just don't think there's any way he beats out Garrard. This is no slight to Tanny (who I think has tremendous potential), I just think DG is largely underrated. His last full season in JAX was pretty darn good, and we're talking about a guy who's had a quality career and has made Pro Bowl with very limited talent. This Miami offense is perfect for his skill-set, which will make it even harder for the rookie to surpass him.

Durability will always be an issue for Garrard, so there's a chance Tannehill gets his opportunity that way. There's also the possibility that Philbin opts to go with the rook' mid-year or later if the team isn't successful. But unless this happens, it just makes sense to give the first-year QB more time.

[phragle]

Bump, it's on right now.

[ShaneTrot]

I follow a lot of NFL writers on Twitter and it is funny to hear a guy say, I saw Christian Ponder in camp and he looks great. Who knows how good these teams will be until they start playing in September. So I am taking everything I see on Hard Knocks with a grain of salt.

I felt bad for the kid they cut at the beginning of camp, it's a Darwinian business. Johnson is clearly going to be the star. Hearing Incognito calling someone a cheater is hilarious, he is one of the dirtiest guys playing. I love Garrard, felt he got a raw deal in Jacksonville, he did a lot with lousy receivers. Funny to hear Dolphin fans say that Tannehill is the savior, let the kid play first then put unrealistic expectations on him.

[SeoulSoxFan]

The funniest bit - half-drunk & beet-red fan says "we all believe in Tannehill. He's going to take us to the Super Bowl in 2 years. Mark it down."

Edit: or Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson mumbling "attention to detail" to himself after messing up a play.

Edited by SeoulSoxFan, 08 August 2012 - 03:34 PM.

[SoxScout]

Tannehill's girl is mentally challenged, I'm pretty sure. Matt Moore came across as a good dude.

As much as you can, I thought Joe Philbin came across really well.

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

I follow a lot of NFL writers on Twitter and it is funny to hear a guy say, I saw Christian Ponder in camp and he looks great. Who knows how good these teams will be until they start playing in September. So I am taking everything I see on Hard Knocks with a grain of salt.

I felt bad for the kid they cut at the beginning of camp, it's a Darwinian business. Johnson is clearly going to be the star. Hearing Incognito calling someone a cheater is hilarious, he is one of the dirtiest guys playing. I love Garrard, felt he got a raw deal in Jacksonville, he did a lot with lousy receivers. Funny to hear Dolphin fans say that Tannehill is the savior, let the kid play first then put unrealistic expectations on him.

Derek Dennis, was signed by the Pats just a few days ago.

Edited by DaughtersofDougMirabelli, 09 August 2012 - 08:55 AM.

[phragle]

Garrard says hell miss two to four weeks.

http://profootballta...-to-four-weeks/

My money is on Matt Moore, he's not that bad. I'd take him over Sanchez.

[Mystic Merlin]

'If you pause 'Call of Duty' for someone, that's the fuckin' one.'

Ocho is gonna make this show.

Also, it's not a good sign when coaches need to tell the star corner to try.

[UnfrozenCavemanGrebeck]

I'm looking forward to next week's episode featuring Braintree, MA native (and former BC walk on), Jim Turner, the Dolphins new offensive line coach. He's a friend of a co-worker of mine and a funny bastard, so I'm anticipating a few good one-liners. This is his 1st NFL gig after coaching at Northeastern, Harvard, Delaware,Temple, BC, and Texas A&M. He got this job via Mike Sherman after they both split from A&M. I'm hoping his segments help pick up the pace of the show and liven it up a bit.

Edited by UnfrozenCavemanGrebeck, 11 August 2012 - 07:12 AM.

[Mystic Merlin]

Just saw on the ESPN crawl that Ocho was arrested for - in the midst of an argument - headbutting his wife.

[PaulinMyrBch]

The argument started over the found receipt of a box of condoms...uh oh.