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Ryan Kalish's Rehab & Return


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#1 mabrowndog


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Posted 22 May 2012 - 07:40 PM

New year, new thread...


Looks like he's a only few weeks away from a rehab assignment per Alex Speier:

Ryan Kalish is making significant strides in his return from offseason shoulder surgery. After playing in just 24 minor league games last year — a season largely wiped out by a torn labrum and then a bulging disc in the neck that he incurred during the rehab process — Kalish is now playing games in extended spring training in Fort Myers. Barring a setback, it is possible that he could be sent out to play for a minor league affiliate around the middle of next month.



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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:00 PM

Per Evan Lepler, Salem Sox radio man, Ryan's rehab stint is underway.

Ryan Kalish is here in Frederick. Batting third and DHing for Salem against Dylan Bundy.

He likely will be with Salem for a few days, hence he'll play at LewisGale Field Mon.



#3 bosox79

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:36 PM

He went 2/4 with a hr. He did strike out twice as well.

#4 trekfan55

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:54 AM

I asked in the game thread but it's better here, what is the "rehab clock" like for him?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 12:08 PM

I asked in the game thread but it's better here, what is the "rehab clock" like for him?

For position players, the "rehab clock" is 20 days then he has to be activated from the DL. In his case, that means moving back on to the 40-man roster, necessitating that someone has to be taken off to make room for him. But since he has options, he can remain in the minors and continue rehabbing beyond the 20 day period if need be.

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 12:10 PM

From http://soxprospects....uries/index.htm


April 5 update: Kalish was placed on the 60-day DL April 4 as he continues to recover from left labrum surgery. May-June 2012

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:52 PM

For position players, the "rehab clock" is 20 days then he has to be activated from the DL. In his case, that means moving back on to the 40-man roster, necessitating that someone has to be taken off to make room for him. But since he has options, he can remain in the minors and continue rehabbing beyond the 20 day period if need be.


Follow up question.

I've been assuming that, with all the injuries, Kalish would come up as soon as they deem him healthy and in game shape. He's got to be better to have than the likes of Podsednik and Byrd.

Is anyone assuming something else?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 03:01 PM

Follow up question.

I've been assuming that, with all the injuries, Kalish would come up as soon as they deem him healthy and in game shape. He's got to be better to have than the likes of Podsednik and Byrd.

Is anyone assuming something else?


Seems like a good assumption to me, but I think there is a catch in the fact that he hasn't played in a full year. Is he going to be called up immediately after the 20 days pass regardless of how well or poorly he might be playing (assuming he's healthy and able to play regularly), or is there some threshold he'd have to cross productivity-wise before they deem major league ready? Guys like Podsednik and Byrd certainly set a low bar, but it's likely that McDonald and Sweeney will be back before Kalish too.

I guess the question in my mind is given the time off, does he only have to be good enough to be the 4th/5th outfielder to get called up or does he have to show he's well enough to start every day to get the call? Basically, is he better served getting regular playing time at Pawtucket if he's not going to be a full-time starter for the big league club or is he past the point where platooning or sitting on the bench 3-4 times a week is detrimental to his development?

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 03:14 PM

Seems like a good assumption to me, but I think there is a catch in the fact that he hasn't played in a full year. Is he going to be called up immediately after the 20 days pass regardless of how well or poorly he might be playing (assuming he's healthy and able to play regularly), or is there some threshold he'd have to cross productivity-wise before they deem major league ready? Guys like Podsednik and Byrd certainly set a low bar, but it's likely that McDonald and Sweeney will be back before Kalish too.

I guess the question in my mind is given the time off, does he only have to be good enough to be the 4th/5th outfielder to get called up or does he have to show he's well enough to start every day to get the call? Basically, is he better served getting regular playing time at Pawtucket if he's not going to be a full-time starter for the big league club or is he past the point where platooning or sitting on the bench 3-4 times a week is detrimental to his development?


I don't see any point in having him on the bench.

We've got Nava, Lin, Byrd, and Podsednik on the roster, with Gonzalez playing right. On the one hand, the bar for being better than the current outfield options isn't high. On the other hand, the bar for pushing Gonzalez back to first might be pushing Middlebrooks back to AAA which is higher.

#10 Doctor G

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Posted 27 May 2012 - 06:56 PM

Kalish gets the start in center for Salem today, pushing JBJ to right.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:11 PM

Up to AAA, still on rehab. He's got a walk and a 2-run HR in his first 2 PAs tonight.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:22 PM

Grain of salt ect., but last night on the draft show Gammons said something along the lines of, "Kalish will be Boston's center fielder in a week."

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 08:17 PM

That'd be nice, but it'd be even nicer if it were Jacoby. I'm starting to think Kalish has a better chance of finishing the season in CF for the Red Sox than Ells.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:30 PM

Another good night so far (through 5): 2-for-2 with a solo HR and a walk

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:07 PM

That'd be nice, but it'd be even nicer if it were Jacoby. I'm starting to think Kalish has a better chance of finishing the season in CF for the Red Sox than Ells.


Why? It's June 6th. Shoulder separations take time to heal, just ask Snod.

#16 DaveRoberts'Shoes


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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:40 PM

Why? It's June 6th. Shoulder separations take time to heal, just ask Snod.


I'd weigh in on this but I'm really just a hand surgeon

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:41 PM

I'd weigh in on this but I'm really just a hand surgeon


Only five bucks or still ten?

#18 Dogman2


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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:42 PM

I'd weigh in on this but I'm really just a hand surgeon


And not Snod.

#19 JakeRae

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:42 PM

I think it's time for Kalish to be the starting CF in Boston. He really had nothing to prove in the minors besides his health and after 8 games I think he's done that. His combined minor league line is 8 G, 26 AB, 10 H, 1 2B, 3 HR, 5 K, 8 BB over the course of his current rehab stint. He's at .800/.889/2.000 in AAA in his 2 games there and .385/.529/.769 over the full rehab stint.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:58 PM

I'd weigh in on this but I'm really just a hand surgeon


Plus, I covered it already... ad nausuem. :)

But yeah, Dogman is right. He's been resuming baseball activities on the light end of the spectrum (hitting off a tee, throwing in the outfield) and we're currently about 7 weeks out from the injury. He's making progress and we're not seeing reports of him having setbacks. Assuming he won't be here by the end of the season is an enormous leap.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:03 PM

Maybe Ellsbury is dying of ennui. We need to be prepared for that possibility.

#22 DaveRoberts'Shoes


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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:08 PM

Only five bucks or still ten?


Hand surgery should really be free. Any surgery that can be done sitting down isn't real surgery.

That being said, get better quickly, Kalish - I can't take much more Marlon.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:20 PM

Yeah, bring Kalish up as soon as you can. We have one Marlon Byrd too many on this team.

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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:32 PM

Ennui. Ennui!

#25 luckysox


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Posted 07 June 2012 - 06:10 AM

Eh, I'm just being whiny about him because I want him to be back and be good this season. The Sox need him in the line up more than they need Kalish, (though Kalish has GOT to be an upgrade over McByrdNek). I don't really think he won't be back, I just worry that he won't, because playing baseball isn't easy after subluxing/dislocating your shoulder, even your non-throwing shoulder.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 06:35 AM

I'd weigh in on this but I'm really just a hand surgeon


You mean you don't use one of them newfangled surgery machines?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:17 AM

Plus, I covered it already... ad nausuem. :)

But yeah, Dogman is right. He's been resuming baseball activities on the light end of the spectrum (hitting off a tee, throwing in the outfield) and we're currently about 7 weeks out from the injury. He's making progress and we're not seeing reports of him having setbacks. Assuming he won't be here by the end of the season is an enormous leap.

In my experience watching guys come back from injuries, you don't hear about the setbacks until they're really close to coming back. Hope your take is right though.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:54 AM

Well, I'm not claiming he won't have any. I'm just pointing out that he hasn't had any yet, and that assuming he'll be gone all year isn't really based on anything but irrational fear, which luckysox has already admitted was driving her. The only thing we know about Ellsbury at this point is that he got hurt and that he's started swinging a bat and throwing the ball again.




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