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[RedOctober3829]

Cody Ross has a broken bone in his left foot and is headed to DL. Injury being compared to one Pedroia had in 2010.

https://twitter.com/#!/Sean_McAdam/status/204676116382883840

This is another big blow.

[glennhoffmania]

Then how was he talking about taking swings and feeling ok over the weekend? I'm not going to pile on the medical staff but how do you miss a broken bone?

Edited by glennhoffmania, 21 May 2012 - 03:59 PM.

[Plympton91]

Son of a f*cking bitch. Darnell McDonald just got a new lease on life as a Red Sox.

[Yazdog8]

From what they're saying, it could be similar to Pedroia's injury.

Red Sox outfielders = Spinal Tap drummers at this point.

[trekfan55]

I don't have all the skills but I swear I read via Twitter on my phone that two doctors looked at Ross's XRays and there was no fracture.

[Dogman2]

And the hits just keep on coming.

Who would have thought Darnell would get 400 ABs this year?

[Darnell's Son]

And the hits just keep on coming.

Who would have thought Darnell would get 400 ABs this year?

THIS GUY!

[glennhoffmania]

I don't have all the skills but I swear I read via Twitter on my phone that two doctors looked at Ross's XRays and there was no fracture.

From the Lin thread, courtesy of 'Dog:

Had Cody Ross needed to go on the disabled list with the foot injury he suffered Friday, Gomez might have remained on the roster. But Ross "might be a day away, two days away," Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine said. "He was walking around today and thinking about swinging. We'll see. He might take some batting practice."

Cody Ross plans on "treating the crap out of" his sore left foot today. "The goal is to be out there tomorrow (in Baltimore)"

[PedroSpecialK]

I wonder if they can ask Youkilis extra-nicely to play LF again. 0.001% chance he agrees to it or is effective doing so, but their options are really limited. At worst, he can be traded for an outfielder.

[Pumpsie]

Might HAVE to trade Youks (and maybe one of our excess relievers) for an outfielder now. Unbelievable. The worst injury luck in the majors this season...by far.

[Nomar813]

Another instance of a freak bad luck injury that couldn't have been prevented. We're running out of minor league outfielders. At this point, Podsednik could find his way onto the roster, at least temporarily.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

The frequency of injuries this team has had to endure in the last three seasons is ridiculous. At what point is it not just luck and where else can we look to place blame? I mean, the training staff was replaced and they're still dropping like flies. The medical staff has made mistakes over the years, but they're not getting involved until after injuries for the most part. I honestly don't eve know what to say at this point.

So what does this do to the team's depth out there? Until McDonald is able to come off the DL we're looking at Sweeney, Byrd, Nava, Lin, and then what? Does Linares get a shot? Brentz just got to Portland and it's exactly crushing the ball yet. They could bring Lars back up but the outfield defense with both him and Nava out there would be beyond rough. Hassan doesn't seem to offer anything Lin can't do.

Considering the ridiculous depth they had in the outfield to start the year, I'm flabbergasted that we're seriously talking about having Lin, Nava and either Lars or Linares all on the major league roster at the same time.

Edited by Snodgrass'Muff, 21 May 2012 - 04:17 PM.

[Harry Agganis]

Fouling a ball off the top of your foot is not a preventable injury. No blame to be assessed.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Fouling a ball off the top of your foot is not a preventable injury. No blame to be assessed.

I was being facetious in that first paragraph. It's just amazing how many injuries like this the team has from year to year.

[Plympton91]

I wonder if they can ask Youkilis extra-nicely to play LF again. 0.001% chance he agrees to it or is effective doing so, but their options are really limited. At worst, he can be traded for an outfielder.

Or, let Gonzalez keep playing the outfield once in a while with Youkilis and Ortiz at 1B and DH. Ortiz looked fine out there over the weekend. Baltimore's RF is incredibly small, so you could keep doing it tonight, even.

[Dollar]

As mentioned in the game thread last night by someone, I wonder if the Sox have J.D. Drew's phone number on speed dial.

Here's the last bit of info I can find on Drew. If he retired or something since March 2, I couldn't find info on it:

http://espn.go.com/b...-no-word-future

"J.D. probably has no phone and is in a tree stand somewhere, man," [Darnell] McDonald said Friday morning. "I don't think anyone has gotten ahold of J.D.
"I'm sure he's probably doing a lot of hunting, taking care of his farm. I guarantee he's doing something he loves doing right now. Shoot, man, he'll be missed. He was a unique individual."

"You know J.D.," McDonald said. "You might see J.D. appear somewhere in the middle of the season. He could get off the couch and play baseball."

Edited by Dollar, 21 May 2012 - 04:29 PM.

[AZBlue]

Boston's DL--top 4 outfielders and 3 of their replacements, 2 starting pitchers, closer. Cannot ignore this when analyzing poor results on the field to day. The last 10 days are actually surprising in light of the plague of injuries.


Bailey, Andrew (P)
05/17
60-day DL
Possibly August
Right thumb
Cleared to throw starting week of May 20.

Carpenter, Chris (P)
04/16
60-day DL
Possibly June
Bone spur in right elbow
Rehabbing from surgery that removed bone spur.

Cook, Aaron (P)
05/19
15-day DL
Late May
Left knee laceration
Threw bullpen session on May 19.

Crawford, Carl (LF)
05/20
60-day DL
Possibly around All-Star break
Ulnar collateral ligament sprain in left elbow
Expected to begin hitting before throwing.

Ellsbury, Jacoby (CF)
05/15
60-day DL
Possibly mid-June
Right shoulder
Had full range of motion in shoulder as of May 14.

Jenks, Bobby (P)
04/09
60-day DL
Possibly after All-Star break
Recovering from back surgery
Underwent emergency surgery Dec. 30, 2011.

Kalish, Ryan (LF)
05/02
60-day DL
Possibly June
Left shoulder surgery
Hitting and throwing out to 120 feet as of May 2.

Lackey, John (P)
05/07
Out for Season
2013
Tommy John surgery
Underwent surgery Oct. 31.

Matsuzaka, Daisuke (P)
05/20
15-day DL
TBD
Recovery from right elbow surgery, sore right trap
Received cortisone shot in right trap on May 20.

McDonald, Darnell (CF)
05/14
15-day DL
Possibly late May
Right oblique strain
Placed on DL on May 13, retroactive to May 12.

Repko, Jason (LF)
05/18
15-day DL
TBD
Left shoulder separation
Had knee and shoulder examined May 13.

Ross, Cody (RF)
05/21
15-day DL
TBD
Left foot
Fracture of foot.

Sweeney, Ryan (RF)
05/20
Day-to-day
Possibly May 21
Whiplash
Tested for concussion after diving catch May 19.

Youkilis, Kevin (3B)
05/21
15-day DL
Possibly May 22
Lower back strain
May be activated after May 21 Triple-A rehab game.

Edited by AZBlue, 21 May 2012 - 04:40 PM.

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Holy crap, I forgot about the Sweeney concussion. So the outfield is now Nava in left, Lin in center and Byrd in right? Jeebus.

[pjheff]

So what does this do to the team's depth out there? Until McDonald is able to come off the DL we're looking at Sweeney, Byrd, Nava, Lin, and then what? Does Linares get a shot? Brentz just got to Portland and it's exactly crushing the ball yet. They could bring Lars back up but the outfield defense with both him and Nava out there would be beyond rough. Hassan doesn't seem to offer anything Lin can't

If Ross is lost for the season and Youk is ready to return, I would have to think that Middlebrooks gets a look in the OF regardless of what the front office has said up to this point.

[pjheff]

So the outfield is now Nava in left, Lin in center and Byrd in right? Jeebus.

Bobby has Byrd in CF and Lin in RF.

[Ferm Sheller]

Bobby has Byrd in CF and Lin in RF.

Which makes sense to me as Lin has an outstanding arm.

[bosockboy]

Yeah I think this just solved the Youk-WMB conundrum. They don't have the depth not to try it now.

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

Then how was he talking about taking swings and feeling ok over the weekend? I'm not going to pile on the medical staff but how do you miss a broken bone?

Because it's only visible on an MRI or CT scan, not an x-ray

These injuries in the OF are ludicrous.

[Pumpsie]

Yeah I think this just solved the Youk-WMB conundrum. They don't have the depth not to try it now.

Or they package Youks in a trade for an outfielder. They may decide that they simply cannot go forward with an outfield of Nava/Byrd/Lin even if its just for a month or two. It may be too late by then.

[Mugsys Jock]

Podsednik:Outfield = Punto:Infield
I can't stand that guy. I'd rather have Linares playing outfield than Podsednik -- at least some tangible MLB upside and he won't tempt Bobby into bunting every time he comes to bat

[bosockboy]

I'd also expect a Ryan Spilborghs type to be dealt for pretty quickly.

[Bernie Carbohydrate]

THIS GUY!

Huh, I thought you were Darnell Coles's kid.

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Or they package Youks in a trade for an outfielder. They may decide that they simply cannot go forward with an outfield of Nava/Byrd/Lin even if its just for a month or two. It may be too late by then.

What kind of outfielder do you think they can get for Youkilis? Probably another retread player on the downside like Byrd, no? Can't say that feels like the right move to me.

And I would imagine that the outfield for the next few weeks is more likely to be something like Nava/Lin/Sweeney, rather than Nava/Byrd/Lin. Not a whole lot better, sure, but I just can't see Youks bringing back something more appealing.

Sounds like Valentine is thinking of using Gonzalez in the outfield with Youks at 1B and Middlebrooks at 3B. Might work in Baltimore. Might need to consider putting Gonzalez in left when they come back to Fenway though.

[RedOctober3829]

With Cody Ross heading to the disabled list on Tuesday due to the a broken navicular bone in his left foot, manager Bobby Valentine allowed that the team is giving some thought to the idea of having Adrian Gonzalez continue to play some right field (the position he manned for the final two games of the weekend interleague series in Philadelphia) so that Kevin Youkilis can get playing time at first base and Will Middlebrooks can remain on the roster at third base.
"That probably will be part of the discussion," said manager Bobby Valentine. "If Ben and I decided [that keeping Youkilis and Middlebrooks on the roster is] something we should pursue, I think there is a way of trying to make it work. ... It’s all a balancing thing: what’s right for [Gonzalez], what's right for us, what's right for Youk, what's right for the rest of the guys. It’s a tough little decision, situation. A lot of times these things have a way of working out."

http://www.weei.com/...ever-team-needs

[SoxScout]

I'd like to know what's going on with Linares and why he was the odd guy out at AAA, and is just being let rot in Portland through all this.

[mauidano]

HIGHLY unlikely WMB plays in the outfield. Says he has never played a day in his life in the outfield. And you want to throw him out there? No. Gonzo is not moving to left field so Youk can play first. No. We are going to have to make due with what he have and hope for no other disasters for about a week.

[mabrowndog]

Or they package Youks in a trade for an outfielder. They may decide that they simply cannot go forward with an outfield of Nava/Byrd/Lin even if its just for a month or two. It may be too late by then.

NO. You don't go dealing Youk in some panic move. Even if there was an OF available that fit the bill, this is not the type of trade the team should be making -- even if Youk is going to be sent packing at some point. You sit tight with him, let him prove he's still valuable and versatile, and then move him for future building blocks. You don't trade him for an OF who'll become a surplus (and worthless) commodity once the other OFs all come back from the DL. And you certainly don't trade Youk at the nadir of his value curve just as he's coming off an injury on the heels of a slow start.

Or, let Gonzalez keep playing the outfield once in a while with Youkilis and Ortiz at 1B and DH. Ortiz looked fine out there over the weekend. Baltimore's RF is incredibly small, so you could keep doing it tonight, even.

YES.

I assume they'll play with just Shoppach and Punto available tonight off the bench. If they need another OF, Gonzalez or Aviles can play in a pinch with Punto taking over at either SS or 1B. Certainly less than ideal, but I can't see Sweeney playing under any circumstances tonight.

I further assume Ross to the DL coincides with Youk's activation tomorrow. Gonzalez playing OF, Youk at 1B and Ortiz at DH is absolutely the way to go.

[RedOctober3829]

Cherington: Ross likely out six to eight weeks, awaiting 2d opinion

Sox GM indicated team leaning toward keeping Middlebrooks,. "We just lost a good RH bat," don't want to give up another

Cherington said rough estimate for Ellsbury, Crawford return early July

Edes

[86spike]

Ellsbury
Crawford
Sweeney
Ross
Macdonald
Repko

I wonder if any team in history has had their top six outfielders they opened the season with on the DL all at the same time. (toss Kalish in and it's seven).

[PrometheusWakefield]

YES.
I assume they'll play with just Shoppach and Punto available tonight off the bench. If they need another OF, Gonzalez or Aviles can play in a pinch with Punto taking over at either SS or 1B. Certainly less than ideal, but I can't see Sweeney playing under any circumstances tonight.

I further assume Ross to the DL coincides with Youk's activation tomorrow. Gonzalez playing OF, Youk at 1B and Ortiz at DH is absolutely the way to go.

I see your YES and add a FUCK YES.

Had nature decided to make Adrian Gonzalez right handed, he would already be a good fielding 3B. I think he's got enough athleticism to pull off right field and whatever we lose defensively over Darnell McDonald or fucking Spilborghs or whatever is going to be more than made up for, not only offensively but in the defensive gain from starting Middlebrooks at third base. With the team they have right now, this is a move they have to make. You can't let Middlebrooks go down to AAA with the outfield we currently have.

[bosockboy]

Ellsbury
Crawford
Sweeney
Ross
Macdonald
Repko

I wonder if any team in history has had their top six outfielders they opened the season with on the DL all at the same time. (toss Kalish in and it's seven).

Sweeney isn't on the DL......and McDonald was Hellenic Flu I believe. Repko is a warm body; but yes having three is still pretty unbelievable.

[TomRicardo]

Anyone want to start calculating the DL dollars the Red Sox have spent so far this year? (Salary/162 * Games Missed)

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Anyone want to start calculating the DL dollars the Red Sox have spent so far this year? (Salary/162 * Games Missed)

Hell no. Way too depressing.

It's enough to know they're going to set the record for most-ever in MLB history this season, if they haven't already.

[LahoudOrBillyC]

I find it odd that the team feels more comfortable with Gonzalez in the outfield than with Middlebrooks. Gonzalez is older and more valuable, and its not like his experience in the OF trumps WMBs by that much. The team is back in the race, and I strongly feel they should take a chance here.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

I find it odd that the team feels more comfortable with Gonzalez in the outfield than with Middlebrooks. Gonzalez is older and more valuable, and its not like his experience in the OF trumps WMBs by that much. The team is back in the race, and I strongly feel they should take a chance here.

My guess is that the team figures AG is less likely to let a couple poor-fielding games affect his play at the plate, than vice versa.

[Rudy Pemberton]

Perhaps, but the team has a lot more invested in Gonzalez than WMB. Can you imagine if Adrian, god forbid, was injured in the OF? That being said, there's been no reason to play Will in the OF yet, so it's not clear if the organization is willing to do it or not.

[LahoudOrBillyC]

I am just going by what they say. There is no reason to telegraph their thought process of course, but they have been pretty open about playing AG in the OF both last year and this year, and have denied any idea of using WMB there.

If Youkilis starts to hit, and I really think that is a strong possibility, are they really going to play AG in the outfield for eight weeks until the real outfielders start coming back? I can envision Middlebrooks playing 50 games out there this summer. I can not envision AG doing so. And its hard to believe they would play Nava, Lin and Byrd for the next eight weeks while Middlebrooks (or Youks, egads) sitting on the bench.

Edited by LahoudOrBillyC, 21 May 2012 - 09:38 PM.

[Doctor G]

If Ross is lost for the season and Youk is ready to return, I would have to think that Middlebrooks gets a look in the OF regardless of what the front office has said up to this point.

This makes a lot more sense than gambling on Gonzalez in the outfield on even a semi-regular basis. Middlebrooks would have to modify his throwing motion which now is an infielders low 3/4 arm snap throw. He was a high school quarterback so it is likely he could adapt to throwing from the outfield.

w

Edited by Doctor G, 21 May 2012 - 11:08 PM.

[Darnell's Son]

Huh, I thought you were Darnell Coles's kid.

Psshhh, you thought wrong. Darnell McDonald will remain a Red Sox for a few more months and nothing you do will change that.

[dbn]

What kind of outfielder do you think they can get for Youkilis? Probably another retread player on the downside like Byrd, no? Can't say that feels like the right move to me.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Kevin Youkilis has been among the top baseball players over the past several years, has been elected to several all star games, and received AL MVP votes in multiple seasons. His value has been hurt by injuries, but he is worth much, much more than Marlon Byrd.

[YTF]

Somewhere, somehow, the Sox need to bring in a quality outfielder (define that as you will). If this is the same type of fracture that Pedroia had, expect Ross to be out longer than whaver they forecast. There still is no firm timetable on Crawford and Ellsbury and with the Sox finally getting back to .500 don't you still have to see what this team can do? Especially if Lester and Beckett are heading in the right direction? I think they have to find a guy that can play everyday and contribute offensively on a regular basis. Yes you can fill in with the kids, but for how long? Your projected starting OF is on the DL and there is no firm return date for any of them. If the team is to make any sort of progress and hopefully be in the hunt of a WC when guys start returning, I don't think Nava, Byrd, Lin, McDonald (when he returns) Sweeney (if he avoids the DL) and Aviles, Punto, Youks, Gonzales as occasionals or a Middlebrooks experiment is going to get it done. At the 1/4 mark of the season and the with team playing better I think the Sox need to make a move for a solid everyday outfielder who contributes both offensively and defensively. Doesn't have to be a superstar just a solid guy on both sides of the ball.

Edited by YTF, 22 May 2012 - 05:30 AM.

[YTF]

Would it be too late to get the commish to overturn the Bailey/Redick deal? I mean it's possible that there was something preexisting with Bailey that the Sox medical staff missed? They miss shit all the time right?

[86spike]

How can the Sox afford to add another OFer and stay under the luxury tax threshold?

It isn't happening.

[Lose Remerswaal]

I am just going by what they say. There is no reason to telegraph their thought process of course, but they have been pretty open about playing AG in the OF both last year and this year, and have denied any idea of using WMB there.

If Youkilis starts to hit, and I really think that is a strong possibility, are they really going to play AG in the outfield for eight weeks until the real outfielders start coming back? I can envision Middlebrooks playing 50 games out there this summer. I can not envision AG doing so. And its hard to believe they would play Nava, Lin and Byrd for the next eight weeks while Middlebrooks (or Youks, egads) sitting on the bench.

Sweeney should be back in a week and McDonald a week later or so. They won't need AG or WMD to play outfield for 50 games.

[In my lifetime]

How can the Sox afford to add another OFer and stay under the luxury tax threshold?

It isn't happening.

The RS are over significantly over the luxury and I expect will stay there unless they decide they won't make the playoffs and dump salary via trades.