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Arsenal FC 2012-2013: I only wanted to see you underneath the purple rain
Posted 15 August 2012 - 02:02 PM
Posted 15 August 2012 - 02:07 PM
I wouldn't be sad to see the back of Song either...clear out all the moaners from the Youth Generation, get a nice whack of money on a guy I think is pretty overvalued anyway (Song will be the new Nuri Sahin) and go out and get some more guys. I'm not sure what Wenger's thinking is on a new striker (though pretty much everybody has turned their eyes towards the Basque Country) but I'm pretty sure Song only goes if Sahin or M'Vila is lined up.
Edited by Spacemans Bong, 15 August 2012 - 02:08 PM.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 02:43 PM
So there you go. Wenger confirms Arsenal won't buy another striker. As expected. Not looking like he'll spend the RVP cash.
Great news for Silent Stan's wallet.
I hate everything.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 02:57 PM
Posted 15 August 2012 - 02:59 PM
Couldn't you argue that he pre-spent it on Podolski and Giroud? I understand that this is a pretty tough day for you Gunners, but the Arsenal team left behind is a pretty strong one, probably stronger than last season's. If anything it's sort of good (for you) to see that Wenger learned his lesson and didn't hold on to the player too long to replace him, and even went out and replaced him before selling while still extracting top dollar. Given his public declaration, aside from destination, this worked out as well as it could have, didn't it?
Selling him out of England would have been preferred, or you know, trying before they had already burned all their bridges. This team is infuriating to follow on a front office level.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 02:59 PM
Posted 15 August 2012 - 03:02 PM
Posted 15 August 2012 - 03:05 PM
Posted 15 August 2012 - 03:32 PM
Gazidis and Silent Stan have to go. We won't win anything under their regime.
That would be great but it's just not going to happen. If I remember my RMPS correctly, you converted from the Bruins to the Devils because of the pre-lockout Jacobs regime. That's the closest equivalent I can think of to current Arsenal - spending enough to keep people interested, staying in the top quarter of the league without ever seriously challenging for a title, hell even comparing the Bruins playoff streak to the Gunners continuously making the Champions League, but stopping short of going all-out to put the team over the top.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 03:45 PM
The big question is what now? Is Arsenal going to spend more money to sure up the squad? Are there others headed out the door (Song)? What is the plan of action? It's really the backlash from this that I'm really concerned with. Losing a player like Song in addition to Van Persie would hurt. Would that mean Arsenal brings in M'Vila now?
Vermaelen played 90 for Belgium. Giroud played 75 for France. That's good for match fitness. Cazorla starts for Spain, whose game is about to start out in Puerto Rico. if you want to check that out, it's on ESPN 3. Spanish feed only though.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:17 PM
It's not like we're bereft of strikers either, but I don't think Wenger is done buying.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:18 PM
Jamie is very rarely wrong about these things.
I would trust a dude who writes for a free tabloid's sources about as far as I could throw them.
It's not like we're bereft of strikers either, but I don't think Wenger is done buying.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:43 PM
Vermaelen played 90
Giroud played 75
Cazorla played 90
Arshavin played 31
Djourou played 90
Ramsey played 90
Assuming the players who missed these friendlies due to "injury" are healthy, I expect the following to be the line up on Saturday v Sunderland (unless Song leaves before then):
Pretty decent side, if I may say so myself.
Posted 15 August 2012 - 08:44 PM
A few interesting tidbits:
It is understood Arsenal were willing to make Van Persie their highest paid player ever, but never actually offered him a new contract.
It is understood Van Persie was encouraged by the arrivals of Germany forward Lukas Podolski, France striker Olivier Giroudand Spain midfielder Cazorla - to the point where he was open to the idea of staying with or without a new contract.
But Wenger pulled him aside shortly before Sunday's friendly victory over Cologne, told him he would be sold if a deal could be reached and informed the Dutchman he was no longer part of his plans.
Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:23 AM
Posted 17 August 2012 - 10:28 AM
Again, I feel like Arsenal have all the leverage in this. Song has three years left on his contract, so they can set the asking price at whatever they want. I would probably want somewhere in between £17.5-22.5 million. Since Barca is the probable buyer, I'd probably accept around £15 million if Tello is included. Or Messi.
The likelihood of Alex Song following Robin van Persie out the exit gates ofArsenal's Hertfordshire headquarters has strengthened as Arsène Wengeradmitted that the Cameroonian's future is on the line. Asked on Friday morning whether Song's departure, and more signings, could be on the cards, Wenger responded: "Both can happen."
If Song is truly causing trouble, I don't mind seeing him go. As much as I love him on the field, I see him as a Nasri type that isn't an indispensable player. The bigger issue is that this wasn't expected like the Van Persie transfer was. Arsene will have to move to replace him and it will disrupt the squad somewhat in the early going. Coquelin isn't as physically imposing, and I don't know how comfortable I am with Diaby starting against Stoke and Sunderland where broken legs are celebrated. I just hope Arsene has everything done by the Liverpool game.
If Song does not play tomorrow, I expect Diaby to start in his place. Apparently, Koscielny and Oxlade-Chamberlain are out, so we'll probably see BFG partnering with Vermaelen. I hope that Cazorla and Walcott are available to start. Glad to hear that Arteta is confirmed to play. This is my worst case line up:
Despite his errors in the last preseason game, Gervinho probably has been one of the better players coming into the season. I don't feel bad about playing him at all, since he might have even earned the start. The big concern with this line up would be playing Coquelin and Yennaris at the same time. If Cazorla is available to play, then I'd slot Diaby back at the holding role. Playing too many inexperienced players in defensive positions worries me some. Gibbs isn't the best defender either. It's a big ask for Verm and BFG. Poldi and Giroud should be good to fucking go.
With all the departures, Arsenal has given the #10 shirt to Luk...wait...to Jack Wilshere:
I don't know how I feel about giving the shirt to a player who might not make it back on the pitch again, but if he does return, it's the right choice. Podolski is going to get Park's #9.
"It's such an honour for me,” he told Arsenal.com. “Getting the No 10 shirt again at the Club means so much to me as I wore it all through the youth teams at Arsenal.
“It has a special place for all attacking or creative players. I feel proud to wear it now after some real Club legends have worn it, such as Dennis Bergkamp.
“Now I am even more excited about returning to action and honouring the shirt.”
Finally, the new captain (and sure to transfer next Summer!) is Thomas Vermaelen:
The right choice, IMO. It was between Arteta and Vermaelen, but Vermaelen has been with the club longer. He's a vocal on the pitch. I don't know. It would have been an easy choice for me. I had him earmarked as a future captain a while ago, but I didn't expect him to get it under these circumstances. He is certainly worthy.
"It makes me really happy and proud to be Arsenal captain - it's a real honour," the Belgian says in his programme notes for Saturday's match with Sunderland.
"I won't change the way I am, though. The boss makes you captain because of the way you are, so I won’t change how I am in the dressing room or outside. I want to lead by example, and do as well as I can on the pitch.
"Maybe I am not much of a talker away from the pitch, but I want to lead the team through the way I play."
Vermaelen, who skippered previous club Ajax as well as the Belgian national team on occasion, said he enjoys the responsibility of captaincy, and paid tribute to his predecessor.
"Every captain is different, everyone has his own personality and does it in his own way," he said. "Robin did it really well last year, and of course what he did on the pitch was great as well.
"But away from that he did a lot of team building, making sure the team was a real team, and I want to do things like that as well."
Edited by sachmoney, 17 August 2012 - 12:36 PM.
Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:18 PM
Posted 18 August 2012 - 08:30 AM
Off to Lir. COYG.
Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:18 PM
See ossie's post on the previous page.
Not sure how to feel about this one. Arsenal dominated everything except the scoresheet. There were a couple of opportunities that were close, but I guess that you have to give credit to Sunderland's defending. Cazorla was brilliant, but for Arsenal to progress, they'll need the squad to gel. They need time.
Song is off to Barca for £15 million. I don't know if there are any add on clauses or what, but that should be adequate funds to find a replacement.
Posted 18 August 2012 - 09:42 PM
good luck with all that.
Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:30 AM
Nuri Sahin looks imminent, possibly by the end of the day if reports from some fairly reliable sources are to be believed.
Posted 20 August 2012 - 08:50 PM
His style of play is not conducive to the less physical La Liga.
Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:19 PM
I may actually die laughing if that happens.
Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:18 PM
Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:30 AM
This Şahin deal needs to be announced already.
Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:23 PM
Posted 24 August 2012 - 07:38 AM
Arsenal missed out on Şahin. I'm not crying over split milk on this one. From what I have heard on the Twittersphere, Liverpool allegedly were offering a much higher fee (I've heard as high as £5 million, but the sticking point seems to be the buyout clause). Liverpool agreed to pay a higher percentage of his wages (this is reported by the BBC Sport). The big thing was that Arsenal couldn't agree to a buy out clause, as Real wanted £14 million for him. Şahin cost Madrid £8 million last year and barely played. £14 million doesn't seem like a fair price for a player who had to move to left back to get time the previous year. Plus, if you sign him at his current wages, he'd be the highest paid player at the club. I understand why Arsene wouldn't want to be a shop window and get swindled out of money to get Şahin. He'll be a good player for Liverpool though.
In the end, Liverpool did what it had to get the player. Arsenal will have to find someone else on the market (Yann M'Viller prease and tank you).
In other news, Ox is back in the squad for Stoke. I pray to every God, especially those Based Gods, that he plays over Theo. Ox seemed to have a much better understanding (see: footballing brain) with Cazorla and Podolski in the Köln friendly. Realistically, I'd expect Theo to play 60-65 minutes and Ox to come in though. Koscielny is still hurt, which might not be the worst thing, since Stoke have that tall mother fucker. Last time these two clubs played, Crouch scored on a headed ball that neither Koscielny nor Vermaelen could touch. May be the Giant will be able to compete better against him. The only other change I'd like to see is Giroud up top. I think with his strength and movement, Giroud is the better choice at center forward. Podolski looks to be where Van Persie was when he first took the position. I just think Giroud is the better option against Stoke. Oh yeah, Woj might be out. This might be your chance, Fabianski.
Wilshere appears to be 3 weeks away from training. After all the setbacks, Arsenal is being dead careful with him, understandably. Suffice to say, getting Wilshere back could be the single biggest boost for the club.
Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:16 PM
Side nettings around the prem are trembling in fear.
Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:05 AM
Posted 26 August 2012 - 09:22 AM
Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:41 AM
Posted 26 August 2012 - 10:58 AM
As usual the team needs time to gel given their style of play but one thing is clear, santi is a really fn good.
Edited by ElUno20, 26 August 2012 - 11:03 AM.
Posted 26 August 2012 - 06:33 PM
Still, there was too much complacency with passing the ball around outside the box. There doesn't seem to be that killer instinct. Part of that might be on Gervinho, who I see more as a playmaking winger than a scorer. He's a guy that wants to take on defenders instead of trying to make darting runs into the box to try for goals. I think he was a bad choice against Stoke. I would have loved to see more of the Ox. The Ox was subbed in way too late and couldn't really make an impact. He was good, but he just didn't have enough time. Same with Theo and even Ramsey.
I thought Poldi looked pretty good today and Giroud too, but the real star was Cazorla again. Great buy, but we've just not seen his effect on the score sheet. I'll take the clean sheet though. The defense looks so much more organized this season. It's really night and day. Steve Bould is already doing a fantastic job. I want to give it three or four games before I become concerned about the attack. Arsenal hasn't really had the most inviting opponents to start the season. Unfortunately, the window closes before that. I'd really like to see the Ox start against Liverpool.
EDIT: When Giroud starts scoring, he's going to start scoring in bunches. Against tough opponents, he's been really close to getting the breakthrough. I think he's gonna be a great player for us.
Edited by sachmoney, 26 August 2012 - 06:44 PM.
Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:48 PM
Posted 27 August 2012 - 01:25 PM
1. I was talking about playing time.
Ramsey looked like utter dogshit, I don't know what game you watched. He turned the ball over and nearly cost us the draw with like 3 minutes left of regular time.
2. I don't think he played poorly. Yes, he had the give away, but he also almost turned one in too. I just don't think any of the substitutes really had the time on the pitch to make a positive impact/to really get into the game.
EDIT: ethangl, I see you lurking here. I don't know if it's re: Cabaye/Tiote or not, but I have a hard time seeing us going after/getting either one, so you can probably relax.
Edited by sachmoney, 27 August 2012 - 01:27 PM.
Posted 30 August 2012 - 01:21 PM
I love the transfer window.
Posted 31 August 2012 - 01:16 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 01:46 PM
Posted 31 August 2012 - 05:04 PM
Can't wait to battle it out for 4th again this year!
Posted 31 August 2012 - 05:45 PM
Well, 4th means the Champions League! Wait...oops.
Can't wait to battle it out for 4th again this year!
I'm really disappointed that there wasn't more of an effort to add. It seems like the club wasted a lot of effort in trying to get the Şahin deal, struck out, and quit. We needed at least a player to add to the squad depth. Any outfield player (preferably in midfield or on the wing) really would have sufficed to keep the squad from being stretched. Instead, we're going to rely on players returning from injury to carry the water. I'm not surprised though. This is just how the windows have gone the past few years.
To be honest, I don't even know where I expect us to stand at the end of the year league table right now. I'd like to say we're still better than Spurs and Liverpool, but I want to see it on the pitch.
EDIT: Btw, even after our spending "spree" at the beginning of the summer, we were still in the black as far as transfers go. There was a lot of money to spend that wasn't spent.
Edited by sachmoney, 31 August 2012 - 05:52 PM.
Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:45 PM
Posted 01 September 2012 - 08:22 AM
Posted 02 September 2012 - 10:00 AM
On the match overall, it was pretty nerve racking. Liverpool put Arsenal under a lot of pressure, and the defense had to hold up. I think that we're lucky to catch them when we did because they're still adjusting to Rodgers' philosophy. Diaby was fantastic. The defense was good enough for another clean sheet. Southampton
Edited by sachmoney, 02 September 2012 - 10:11 AM.
Posted 03 September 2012 - 11:38 AM
I am not worried about Giroud, he'll get his. I am also so excited to see Wilshere in this midfield. If we can get a rotation going there and get everyone enough rest over the course of the long season, there will be good things to come.
Posted 03 September 2012 - 01:46 PM
Arsenal's wing players, in this case, Ox and Podolski, are playing more in line with the deeper two central midfielders than with Cazorla in the attacking role. I think that has had adverse effects on the attacking side of things, and it seemed like Ox in particular struggled to get into the game yesterday. However, it has taken a lot of stress off the defense. The central defenders can stay at home rather than having to come out to cover for the fullbacks, stretching the defense and creating large channels for the opposition to exploit. On the evidence of three matches, you can't help but be impressed with what Bould is doing. I'm worried with how the club will do against the big clubs, but I guess we'll find out in a few weeks against City.To follow up on Giroud's movement, I illustrated why I have positive feelings about Giroud's performances thus far:
This was a clash between two managers who promote a similar brand of football: quick, short passing, clever attacking movement and a high defensive line. But while Liverpool offered possession without penetration and a poor defensive shape, Arsène Wenger's side were impressive when breaking quickly and admirable in their organisation without the ball.There were two obvious tactical differences between the sides. The first was the level of pressing. Arsenal stood off and focused on getting into an organised shape behind the ball, with two banks of four remaining both narrow and compact, preventing Liverpool playing quick passes through the centre of the pitch.
On the Podolski goal, Poldi gets the ball from Mertesacker and quickly moves it to Cazorla. As Cazorla runs at the defenders, Giroud is making a run inside. Rather than cut across the pitch, Giroud cuts back to the outside, causing Agger to take one step out with him. Skrtel is left with the quandary of stepping up and stopping Cazorla or cutting off the passing lane to Podolski. I think Skrtel was more indecisive than anything, but Giroud's movement helped create a numerical advantage, leading to the first goal.
Giroud is getting into goal scoring situations. That zagging run on the Diaby run was also fantastic, where he cut outside then cut back across the pitch.livgirch by arsenalist
I thought Reina did a pretty good job of closing him down, and it would have been a tough chance to convert. The best decision there might have been to lay off a quick one to the streaking Kieran Gibbs, but I can't fault a striker for trying for goal. Giroud has been very close to scoring, and as I said before, once he scores once, I believe he'll score many more.
The big news out of the Arsenal camp is that there is a realistic date for Wilshere's expected come back:
Obviously, huge news for Arsenal. If there are no further set backs (please god no more setbacks!), I'd expect Wilshere to be on the bench for either the Champions League match against Olympiakos at the Emirates or against West Ham away on the following weekend. I don't expect Wilshere to start right away.
LONDON — Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has revealed that England midfielder Jack Wilshere could be back in action within one month.
Wilshere has been sidelined since before the start of last season after a series of setbacks as he battles to recover from an ankle injury.
But the 20-year-old has returned to training recently and Wenger believes Wilshere's progress suggests he could feature for the Gunners by early October.
"Wilshere is looking very good in training," Wenger said after Sunday's 2-0 win at Liverpool.
"It depends what you call close, but I would say in a month he should be starting to play again."
A lot of it will depend on form and fitness. I like the midfield the way it is, but it's hard to keep Wilshere out. Who does he replace? Diaby was brilliant yesterday and adds some steel. Arteta is a very instrumental player. Moving Santi to the wing is probably a terrible idea as he is the team's best playmaker. Competition for places will be tough, especially since Rosicky will be hopefully coming back in October as well (not forgetting about Ramsey either). If Diaby plays like he did yesterday, I expect him to cement a place, which should leave Arteta as the odd man out, if Wilshere is to be a fixture in the starting XI.
I'm still worried about depth, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
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