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#1 SoxScout


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:23 PM

Patriots Selections:

Round 1 - Pick 21 - DE Chandler Jones (Syracuse)
Round 1 - Pick 25 - LB Dont'a Hightower (Alabama)
Round 2 - Pick 48 - from Oakland
Round 2 - Pick 62 - original selection

Link: Prospect master list, with rankings, scouting reports, combine numbers and video.

Link: draft Tweet Grid, I'll be tweaking this over the next few days. (Settings, refresh every 1 minute, Update Settings)

11. Courtney Upshaw | 6'2 1/2, 273 pounds | Outside linebacker/end | Alabama
13. Devon Still | 6'5, 312 pounds | Defensive tackle | Penn State
15. Jonathan Martin | 6'6, 305 pounds | Offensive tackle | Stanford
16. Peter Konz | 6'5, 313 pounds | Center | Wisconsin
23. Brandon Thompson | 6'2, 310 pounds | Defensive tackle | Clemson
25. Cordy Glenn | 6'5 1/2, 346 pounds | Tackle/guard | Georgia
27. Janoris Jenkins | 5'10, 183 pounds | Cornerback | North Alabama
28. Andre Branch | 6'5, 260 pounds | Defensive end | Clemson
29. Lavonte David | 6'1, 220 pounds | Outside linebacker | Nebraska
30. Dwayne Allen | 6'4, 255 pounds | Tight end | Clemson
33. Coby Fleener | 6'5 3/4, 247 pounds | Tight end | Stanford
34. Alshon Jeffery | 6'4, 232 pounds | Wide receiver | South Carolina
35. Vinny Curry | 6'3, 265 pounds | Defensive end | Marshall


A list to 101: http://www.mockingth...s-after-round-1

#2 Freddy Linn


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:33 PM

Mayock's remaining top 100:

23. Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama
25. Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia
26. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
30. Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
32. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
34. Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
36. Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois
37. Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State
38. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
39. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
40. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin

42. Devon Still, DT, Penn State
43. Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
44. Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi
45. Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
46. Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
47. Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
48. Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
50. Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia
51. Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
52. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
53. Andre Branch, OLB, Clemson
54. Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
55. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
56. Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
58. Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
59. Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
60. T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
61. Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
62. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
63. Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
64. Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
65. Brandon Taylor, SS, LSU
66. Kelechi Osemele, G, Iowa State
67. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
68. Olivier Vernon, DE, Miami
69. Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California
70. Mike Martin, DT, Michigan
71. LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
72. Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
73. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
74. Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
75. Dwight Bentley, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
76. Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Ohio)
77. Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
78. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
79. Philip Blake, C, Baylor
80. DeQuan Menzie, FS, Alabama
81. Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
82. Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
83. Billy Winn, DE, Boise State
84. Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy
85. Ben Jones, C, Georgia
86. Demario Davis, OLB, Arkansas State
87. Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State
88. Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
89. Marvin Jones, WR, California
90. Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma
91. Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
92. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
93. Chris Polk, RB, Washington
94. Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
95. Trevor Guyton, DE, California
96. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma
97. Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
98. Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State
99. Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
100. Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina

Edited by Freddy Linn, 26 April 2012 - 10:34 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2012 - 10:36 PM

ESPN's best available:


23 - Jerel Worthy DT 6'2⅜" 309 Michigan State
24 - Cordy Glenn OT 6'5¾" 345 Georgia
25 - Courtney Upshaw DE 6'1⅝" 272 Alabama
27 - Stephen Hill WR 6'4" 215 Georgia Tech
30 - Coby Fleener TE 6'6" 247 Stanford
31 - Jonathan Martin OT 6'5⅜" 312 Stanford
33 - Devon Still DT 6'4⅞" 303 Penn State
34 - Jeff Allen OG 6'3⅞" 307 Illinois
36 - Lavonte David OLB 6'0⅝" 233 Nebraska
37 - Rueben Randle WR 6'2⅞" 210 LSU
39 - Bobby Massie OT 6'6⅛" 316 Mississippi
40 - Amini Silatolu OG 6'3⅝" 311 Midwestern State
41 - Peter Konz OC 6'5" 314 Wisconsin
42 - Brock Osweiler QB 6'6⅞" 242 Arizona State
43 - Andre Branch DE 6'4¼" 259 Clemson
44 - Janoris Jenkins CB 5'10" 193 North Alabama
45 - Brandon Thompson DT 6'2" 311 Clemson
46 - Vinny Curry DE 6'3⅛" 266 Marshall
47 - Trumaine Johnson CB 6'1⅞" 204 Montana
49 - Mike Adams OT 6'7¼" 323 Ohio State
50 - Kendall Reyes DT 6'4⅛" 299 Connecticut
51 - Alameda Ta'amu DT 6'2½" 348 Washington
53 - Derek Wolfe DT 6'5⅛" 295 Cincinnati
54 - Nick Foles QB 6'5" 243 Arizona
55 - Dwayne Allen TE 6'3⅛" 255 Clemson
57 - Kirk Cousins QB 6'2⅝" 214 Michigan State
58 - Lamar Miller RB 5'10¾" 212 Miami (FL)
59 - Alshon Jeffery WR 6'2⅞" 216 South Carolina
60 - Mychal Kendricks ILB 5'11⅛" 239 California
61 - Josh Robinson CB 5'10⅛" 199 UCF
63 - Ronnell Lewis OLB 6'1¾" 253 Oklahoma
64 - Dwight Bentley CB 5'10" 182 Louisiana-Lafayette
65 - Mitchell Schwartz OT 6'5⅜" 318 California
66 - Casey Hayward CB 5'11⅜" 192 Vanderbilt

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:48 AM

Peter King (Twitter): Best New England draft day in a long time.


Any other reviews of note?

#5 riboflav

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:18 AM

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Any other reviews of note?


Oh man. This worries me.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:59 AM

Extra Points blog previews Day 2 for Pats

With Devin McCourty likely moving over to safety regularly, a top-flight cornerback could help ease the team’s woes, especially if Ras-I Dowling doesn’t pan out in his return from an injury that sidelined him most of his rookie season. Among the top corners remaining include North Alabama’s troubled but dynamic Janoris Jenkins, Central Florida’s Josh Robinson (5-10, 4.33 40), and Oklahoma’s Jamell Fleming (23 reps of 225 pounds in the bench press at the combine). Inject any one of these guys into the Patriots’ secondary and they’ll instantly improve in size, speed, or strength.

In the long term, they have to consider who is going to be catching Tom Brady’s passes in 2013. Seven of the 10 Patriots receivers are either on the last year of their contract or working on 1-year deals. Justin Blackmon and Michael Floyd may already be gone, but there’s plenty of talent in the mid-second round. Georgia Tech’s Stephen Hill is still on the board. At 6-4, 215 pounds, and a 4.36 40-yard dash, he has the rare combination of freakish size and speed most teams covet.

But if the Patriots are interested in versatility, look no further than Wake Forest’s Chris Givens, who played both receiver and running back in college. He sports a 4.41 40-yard dash and stands 5-feet-11, 198 pounds.

Then there’s LSU’s Rueben Randle, an All-SEC player who had 53 catches for 973 yards and eight touchdowns in the toughest conference in college football.



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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:02 AM

Mayock's remaining top 100:

23. Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama
25. Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia
26. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
30. Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
32. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
34. Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
36. Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois
37. Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State
38. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
39. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
40. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin

42. Devon Still, DT, Penn State
43. Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
44. Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi
45. Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
46. Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
47. Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
48. Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
50. Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia
51. Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
52. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
53. Andre Branch, OLB, Clemson
54. Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
55. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
56. Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
58. Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
59. Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
60. T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
61. Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
62. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
63. Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
64. Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
65. Brandon Taylor, SS, LSU
66. Kelechi Osemele, G, Iowa State
67. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
68. Olivier Vernon, DE, Miami
69. Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California
70. Mike Martin, DT, Michigan
71. LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
72. Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
73. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
74. Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
75. Dwight Bentley, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
76. Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Ohio)
77. Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
78. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
79. Philip Blake, C, Baylor
80. DeQuan Menzie, FS, Alabama
81. Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
82. Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
83. Billy Winn, DE, Boise State
84. Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy
85. Ben Jones, C, Georgia
86. Demario Davis, OLB, Arkansas State
87. Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State
88. Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
89. Marvin Jones, WR, California
90. Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma
91. Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
92. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
93. Chris Polk, RB, Washington
94. Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
95. Trevor Guyton, DE, California
96. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma
97. Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
98. Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State
99. Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
100. Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina


Lots of really good players out there to be had. I like the outlook for the Pats' 2nd round.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:13 AM

Reiss & Yates do a 2nd-round mock at ESPN Boston:

48. New England Patriots (via Oakland): CB Brandon Boykin (Georgia)
Quick hit: Fills two needs with potential help in the slot and as an explosive returner

62. New England Patriots: DL Brandon Thompson (Clemson)
Quick hit: If they don't trade for more picks, the 6-foot-2, 314-pound run-stuffer could add some beef up front.



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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:40 AM

In case anyone's wondering if the Pats might try trading up tonight, they're short on low-round picks next year so they don't have much to bundle with. Their #5 is going to the Redskins (for signing Haynesworth) and #6 goes to the Bengals (for signing Ochocinco).

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:02 AM

In case anyone's wondering if the Pats might try trading up tonight, they're short on low-round picks next year so they don't have much to bundle with. Their #5 is going to the Redskins (for signing Haynesworth) and #6 goes to the Bengals (for signing Ochocinco).


Nevermind, you were right. Bummer, those trades turned out to be terrible...

Edited by lostjumper, 27 April 2012 - 09:05 AM.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:04 AM

I posted this in the first round thread, but it makes more sense here:


I have a feeling that we might see modest dropdowns via trade. If the draft comes to us at 48, for example, where BB has 3-4 guys he likes, I could see him trying to trade down 3-4 picks in order to pick up something on Day 3. By the old draft value chart (assuming that at this point in the draft, the values are probably still fairly current,) the #48-52 range is worth about 10 points per slot, so dropping 3 slots would be worth a pick in the latter part of the 5th round; 4 slots would be the early part of the 5th round.

Same strategy would hold at pick 63, but there you are in the 6 points per slot range. So dropping 3-4 picks would yield 18-24 points of value, which is early to late 6th round.

#12 pappymojo

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:21 AM

The fanboy in me would love to see us somehow acquire a DB, a WR and another front seven player (DE or DT).

#13 shoosh77

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:23 AM

Also, picks could be acquired by trading one of the backup QBs.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:24 AM

Nevermind, you were right. Bummer, those trades turned out to be terrible...


It wouldn't surprise me if the Pats got more out of those players than the expected value of the picks they traded. How many sixth rounders get 15 receptions?

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:27 AM

MockingTheDraft's 2nd round

48. New England – Jayron Hosley, CB, Virginia Tech - The Pats continue to improve their defense by adding a great man cover corner. They already have corners who can play zone but none of their corners can play man.

62. New England – Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami (Ohio) - The Pats have addressed all their needs to this point but guard and Brooks is one of the best players on the board.


They've got Hayward going to the Jags at 38 and Jenkins to Philly at 46, with the Jets taking Sanu at 47.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:35 AM

Already hearing rumors about the Rams getting calls for their first pick tonight. Teams are interested in Stephen Hill.


https://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/195878828407652353
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Might the Patriots offer up their second-round pick and a future pick to move up 15 spots?

#17 bakahump

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:55 AM

Watch them take Fleener and we run out the All TE offense.

Seriously Cordy Glenn would make me happy in the pants...but we just dont seem to have the ammo to move up and get him.

maybe Bobby Massie, Amini Silatolu, Brandon Brooks or Peter Konz at 48.

Then get a Safety (Iloka, Hardin,M.Martin,B Taylor) or the best available CB (J Jenkins or T. Johnson) at 62.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:56 AM

It goes against pretty much everything BB stands for, but I would not mind seeing the Pats trade a future pick to get a 3rd round pick. They should be able to get a DB and a DL in the second and use the 3rd rounder to add quality o-line depth or a WR-KR.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 09:56 AM

Also, picks could be acquired by trading one of the backup QBs.

Or for trading one of their deep depth OL guys -- someone like Thomas, Wendell, or McDonald. IIRC, they did this a couple years back with Hochstein netting a 6th rounder. I don't think any of those guys would get a 6th, but maybe a 7th. And with their current depth, I think any one (or all) of those guys might not make the roster anyway.

#20 Phil Plantier

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:03 AM

My crazy theory: the more sane contracts for first-round players, coupled with Belichick's realization that the second and third rounds have been the least successful of his draft record, leads him to trade both picks for a boatload of third-day picks/future picks.

#21 ShaneTrot

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:09 AM

Peter King (Twitter): Best New England draft day in a long time.

Apparently, he forgot about 2010, McCourty, Gronk, Hernandez, Spikes, and Deaderick with Cunnigham still on the roster.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:15 AM

Reiss & Yates do a 2nd-round mock at ESPN Boston:

The fanboy in me would love to see us somehow acquire a DB, a WR and another front seven player (DE or DT).

It goes against pretty much everything BB stands for, but I would not mind seeing the Pats trade a future pick to get a 3rd round pick. They should be able to get a DB and a DL in the second and use the 3rd rounder to add quality o-line depth or a WR-KR.


There are few players I'd like to have more from this draft than Boykin.



In that reel, he has a bunch of great returns, although he doesn't have the speed to pull away at the end. Either way, looks like he has great punt return skills at the very least.

On D, he seems to excel at diagnosing plays and coming up and making tackles. I'm sure his not-elite top end speed might hurt him against some of the true burners in the NFL, but I bet he can stay with most guys for the majority of time most plays last. The guy's versatility is obvious - he's a three way player. Just an electric and exciting player.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:43 AM

Indy needs help at a lot of positions, but doesn't Fleener make a ton of sense for them as it would likely aid in Luck's transistion to the NFL.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:44 AM

I want a 3-4 DE/4-3 DT and WR Chris Givens, hopefully with a trade back in the second round. Givens is lauded as "probably the best route runner" in the draft and possessing explosive vertical skills. He could make hay returning kicks and punts this season while learning the offense, but good route-running could get him some playing time early.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:47 AM

Indy needs help at a lot of positions, but doesn't Fleener make a ton of sense for them as it would likely aid in Luck's transistion to the NFL.


I have never understood why NFL teams don't do this more to help young QBs. Especially if you can get a WR or TE that the QB is familiar with late in the draft. Isn't the relationship they have built worth a shot by taking a guy in late rounds?

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:51 AM

Boykin looks like somebody the Patriots would draft. I like his aggressiveness in the run game and you know in the SEC he has seen a lot of great WRs. His return skills look like they can be utilized as a better option than Woodhead. I'd be happy if they got him.

#27 pappymojo

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

Apparently, he forgot about 2010, McCourty, Gronk, Hernandez, Spikes, and Deaderick with Cunnigham still on the roster.


To be fair to the blockhead, he did say best draft day, not best draft.

#28 dynomite

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:17 AM

Sorry for moving this: think it makes more sense in the 2nd/3rd round thread.

Remaining needs:
- DB (either a CB or an S, depending upon McCourty's position, although both positions could use additions)
- RB (possible that this will be filled through free agency?)
- OL (depth would be nice at both at T and G)
- TE (depending upon their attitude toward Daniel Fells)

The team has 2 picks left (trade value points in parens)

Round 2 - Pick 48 (420)
Round 2 - Pick 62 (284)

These picks still give the Patriots a lot of flexibility. For instance (note that these are simply examples based upon the trade value chart, not based upon actual teams):

Give:
- Round 2 - Pick 48 (420)
Get:
- Round 2 - Pick 55 (350)
- Round 4 - Pick 112 (70)

Or even:

Give:
- Round 2 - Pick 48 (420)
Get:
- Round 3 - Pick 66 (260)
- Round 3 - Pick 95 (120)
- Round 5 - Pick 132 (40)



Agree on DB being the #1 need left by far. A safety or a CB would make a ton of sense. I'd also like a RB, but since we're past the point in the draft where you're looking at complete backs, they'd need to bring something to the table that Ridley and Vereen don't - maybe a big bruiser of some type. Some OL depth - especially at tackle where we're 1 injury away from making Cannon the starter at RT (not the worst thing in the world, just a lot thinner than I thought it would be with the Light retirement). They seem pretty well set at Guard with Mankins/Waters/Gallery assuming Mankins is all set to go by the opener.

I think a 3 year/2 million per deal with Fells means they're serious about him. And honestly, he's the 3rd TE as it is. If the Pats use another 2nd on a TE I'll roll my eyes, although I guess it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

The one position of need I think you're missing here is a DL big. Neither Jones nor HIghtower can play on the line in a 3-4, and what they have there is Wilfork/Deadrick/Love/Fanene, and I guess Pryor coming back from injury. I could see another body being added there. If Kendall Reyes is around when they pick I think it'd make a lot of sense to throw him into the mix there.


For DL: We also signed Trevor Scott and Marcus Harrison. Neither particularly excite me, but that gives us 7 DL. That said, I'd love a Mike Wright replacement (or improvement) to give us more depth and talent on the DL.

If we can get a DL (Reyes?) and one of the good DBs, I'm thrilled with this draft.
If we can trade back and in addition add a WR and OL depth, too, I'm going to set off fireworks and streak the neighborhood.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:18 AM

Jonathan Fanene is the Mike Wright replacement.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:23 AM

Oh man. This worries me.


Peter King is never wrong about anything.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:37 AM

nepatriotsdraft.com has their 75 best available for Day 2

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They've also posted their Round 2 mock

48. New England Patriots (via Oak) - Trumaine Johnson, CB/FS, Montana (Scouting Report) – I ultimately think the Patriots trade down more than one to gain some late day two and day three picks, I am not projecting trades so Johnson is the pick. I believe the Patriots will make one selection in the second round, one in the third and pick up a 4th and 6th along the way, or a package of picks that consists of a 3rd and some day three picks.

62. New England Patriots - Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State (Scouting Report)


They've got Hayward going to STL at 45, Sanu to NYJ at 47, Konz to SD at 49, Jenkins to DET at 54, and Boykin to GB at 59.

Not a big fan of Johnson, especially with the earlier of the 2 picks.

Edited by mabrowndog, 27 April 2012 - 01:50 PM.


#32 dynomite

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:39 AM

Jonathan Fanene is the Mike Wright replacement.


Eh. That's roughly accurate, but I think Fanene warranted a spot in his own right, and the DL still needs depth.

Edit: My grammar was shockingly poor in that sentence.

Edited by dynomite, 27 April 2012 - 11:51 AM.


#33 AllDayVikingsFan

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:45 AM

Mock Round 2 Patriots-

The Patriots will look at Guard if Jeff Allen OG Illinois or Amini Silatolu OG Midwestern State are still available with there 48th overall pick. If both these players are taking which is a strong possibly they will look at CB.

Janoris Jenkins CB would be a shocker if was still available many teams are talking about trading up for him. Josh Robinson UCF is one of next best corner in my mind on the board. He was first in the 40 yard dash, 3 cone drill, and broad jump out of all corners. He is bad in run support and is undersized at 5'10 but has alot of potential.

Trumaine Johnson CB Montana was dominate in division 2, the Big Sky conference and is the opposite of a Josh Robinson. He is a physical corner at 6'2 205 with long arms 33.2 inchs. He is not as fast as you would want running a 4.61 at combine but has smooth hips and h ball hawk abilities. If he didn't work out at corner many people say he could move to safety which would also fill a whole for the Patriots.

Also I just heard on NFL Network that they are also looking at WR, yes WR so if a player like Alshon Jeffery Wr South Carolina fell I could see the patriots debating it. I feel the patriots will trade back with 62 pick overall to gain depth in the draft unless there is a player they love. Vikings and Patriots dominated round 1 lets hope it keeps up!

Edited by AllDayVikingsFan, 27 April 2012 - 12:05 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:59 AM

Dog--A little concerned when reading Quicks scouting report.

Spent majority of his career playing in a run oriented option system…has a very under developed route tree…excels at deeper routes but often struggles getting proper depth in the intermediate zone…despite size advantage he struggles to get off press coverage…needs to learn how to use his hands and long arms to keep CB’s off of him…doesn’t have elite top end speed…takes a few strides to get up to full speed…not as smooth as you would hope for coming into and out of his breaks…too often he lets the ball get into his body


First time he messes up a route, he will never see the ball from Brady again and could get burried quickly.

Jeffrey would be interesting if he shows commitment to keeping his weight down

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:59 AM

nepatriotsdraft.com has their 75 best available for Day 2

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They've also posted their Round 2 mock



They've got Hayward going to STL at 45, Sanu to NYJ at 47, Konz to SD at 49, Jenkins to DET at 54, and Boykin to GB at 59.

Not a big fan of Johnson, especially with the earlier of the 2 picks.


Johnson is an interesting guy. He's big (6'2", 200 lbs), so could play safety. He doesn't have elite top end speed, but had good quick numbers at the combine. He went into college as a WR and converted early on, so he's got pretty good hands and plays the ball well in the air. Not a great tackler, but more than willing to help out in run support.

For me, I'd rather have Janoris Jenkins. His off field baggage is a big concern, but you can put that guy on the field from day 1 and he'll instantly improve the secondary. Bill seems to be swinging for the fences this year, so I see no reason to stop now.

I think we'll see a few trade backs, to move back 5-10 spots so we can pick up some later picks, but I'd love to find a way to add Jenkins and one of Reyes/Worthy/Still/Wolfe to the D line. With that said, there are a number of CB prospects that I like, other than Jenkins: Brandon Boykins, Casey Hayward, Ron Brooks, Jayron Hosley, and Chase Minnifield should come off the board in the 2nd/3rd rounds and would help out.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:01 PM

nepatriotsdraft.com has their 75 best available for Day 2

Spoiler


They've also posted their Round 2 mock



They've got Hayward going to STL at 45, Sanu to NYJ at 47, Konz to SD at 49, Jenkins to DET at 54, and Boykin to GB at 59.

Not a big fan of Johnson, especially with the earlier of the 2 picks.


You shouldn't be a big fan of Johnson. He is a poor tackler (always goes for a big hit and rarely wraps up a ball carrier), routinely beaten down the field when in coverage, often out of position on both running and passing situations and he may have been a part of the sexual assault/rape charges on UMontana campus that has, thus far, seen the AD and head football coach get the axe. (Neither were technically fired, both contracts were not renewed.) These charges have seen 3 players dismissed and will most likely see 4 more including the starting QB.

I watched Johnson play the last 2 seasons, 6 of those games in person.

Edited by Dogman2, 27 April 2012 - 12:03 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:04 PM

You shouldn't be a big fan of Johnson. He is a poor tackler (always goes for a big hit and rarely wraps up a ball carrier), routinely beaten down the field when in coverage, often out of position on both running and passing situations and he may have been a part of the sexual assault/rape charges on UMontana campus that has, thus far, seen the AD and head football coach get the axe. (Neither were technically fired, both contracts were not renewed.) These charges have seen 3 players dismissed and will most likely see 4 more including the starting QB.

I watched Johnson play the last 2 seasons, 6 of those games in person.


Yikes...there are plenty of other CB prospects available without all of these concerns.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

If the Pats don't go after Jenkins if he's available, I have to wonder if Urban Meyer may have given BB the "buyer beware" warning.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:10 PM

You shouldn't be a big fan of Johnson. He is a poor tackler (always goes for a big hit and rarely wraps up a ball carrier), routinely beaten down the field when in coverage, often out of position on both running and passing situations and he may have been a part of the sexual assault/rape charges on UMontana campus that has, thus far, seen the AD and head football coach get the axe. (Neither were technically fired, both contracts were not renewed.) These charges have seen 3 players dismissed and will most likely see 4 more including the starting QB.

I watched Johnson play the last 2 seasons, 6 of those games in person.


Sounds like another DB the Pats had before.....His name was Brandon Meriweather.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:16 PM

Kiper has his round 2 mock up over at ESPN:

48. Josh Robinson, CB USF- A total burner, once he nails down technique, has star potential.

62. Jerel Worthy, DT MSU- Bill Belichick can bring it out of this kid. Worthy's a monster on his better days.


Interesting names between 48 and 62:
52- Konz- C
56- Still- DT
60- Wolfe- DT
61- Osemele- G
(has Jenkins and Reyes coming off the board at 39 and 40 and T Mike Adams from Ohio St goes 63).

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:33 PM

As a Gator fan, ask yourself if you would have been happy with Pacman Jones several years ago. That is who you're getting with Jenkins.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:37 PM

@JayGlazer

NFL teams were informed this week of 2 more players of note who have flunked drug tests: ASU LB Vontaze Burfict and Va Tech CB JayRon Hosley


draftbreakdown.com

Considering that Burfict’s first-round value has plummeted all the way down to undrafted territory, this report only continues to worsen his chances of ever making it in the NFL. With numerous concerns, including his drive to get better and inability to control his temper on the field, a positive drug test could be what seals his fate as the biggest waste of potential in this year’s draft.

As for Hosley, the drug test isn’t as much of a deal breaker. It could however, take him down from a Day 2 prospect to a Day 3 prospect. More than anything, it will raise questions about his character and dedication.

According to Pro Football Talk, there are three other players who tested positive at the Combine whose names have yet to be publicly released.


Not exactly breaking news (>48 hrs ago), but it's the first I've seen of it. More importantly, one of the mocks I linked upthread has the Pats taking Hosley. I seriously doubt they want any part of this, and certainly not in the second round.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:48 PM

@JayGlazer



draftbreakdown.com



Not exactly breaking news (>48 hrs ago), but it's the first I've seen of it. More importantly, one of the mocks I linked upthread has the Pats taking Hosley. I seriously doubt they want any part of this, and certainly not in the second round.

They drafted both Tate and Hernandez who flunked drug tests. Those were in the 3rd and 4th rounds respectively so perhaps you're right that it wouldn't be in the second round, but I doubt that they "wouldn't want any part of this" based on their track record with prospects who failed drug tests.

One corner they apparently don't want any part of is Janoris Jenkins according to Shalise Manza Young: "and along those same lines, don't hold your breath that the DB will be Janoris Jenkins. told that's not going to happen." https://twitter.com/#!/shalisemyoung/status/195920089344786435
link to tweet

Guess Meyer's and Muschamps' reports weren't exactly glowing.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:50 PM

If they kept the picks, and assuming there's no stunning drop of Glenn or Upshaw, I'd like to see them go DB at #48 (Johnson, Boykin, Robinson -- any of whom could also be a dynamic punt returner), and either DB or OL depth at #62.

I really don't get going for a WR... unless they're concerned Welker could be a protracted holdout. And even then, Gonzalez and Branch seem like slot insurance policies. The team had a kick-ass passing offense last year, lost no WRs, and added Brandon Lloyd (not to mention some respectable lesser FAs), as well as Stallworth. I get that Branch and Ocho each got a year older, but as areas of need I'd put WR way down the list... somewhere around practice squad punter.

One more DT depth possibility to keep in mind... entirely possible the Jets cut Devito now that Coples is pencilled into their D-Line

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:56 PM

If they kept the picks, and assuming there's no stunning drop of Glenn or Upshaw, I'd like to see them go DB at #48 (Johnson, Boykin, Robinson -- any of whom could also be a dynamic punt returner), and either DB or OL depth at #62.

I really don't get going for a WR... unless they're concerned Welker could be a protracted holdout. And even then, Gonzalez and Branch seem like slot insurance policies. The team had a kick-ass passing offense last year, lost no WRs, and added Brandon Lloyd (not to mention some respectable lesser FAs), as well as Stallworth. I get that Branch and Ocho each got a year older, but as areas of need I'd put WR way down the list... somewhere around practice squad punter.

One more DT depth possibility to keep in mind... entirely possible the Jets cut Devito now that Coples is pencilled into their D-Line



The point of getting a WR this year is that rookie WRs have a very poor track record with the Pats. Yes they have good depth at WR right now, but look at how many of them are over 30. Getting a WR in the program now reduces the chance of relying on a rookie or spending big money on one in 2013. Would it be a luxury pick? Sure. But the Pats seem generally deep enough to me to be able to afford it.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:01 PM

Yikes...there are plenty of other CB prospects available without all of these concerns.


I'm a very amateur talent evaluator so what I said isn't gospel by any stretch but taking him in the second round seems to be a huge risk given the other talent in these rounds. I'm surprised he is being looked at anywhere above the tail of the 5th and wouldn't be surprised he goes undrafted.

I've been wrong before.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:05 PM

I really don't get going for a WR... unless they're concerned Welker could be a protracted holdout. And even then, Gonzalez and Branch seem like slot insurance policies. The team had a kick-ass passing offense last year, lost no WRs, and added Brandon Lloyd (not to mention some respectable lesser FAs), as well as Stallworth. I get that Branch and Ocho each got a year older, but as areas of need I'd put WR way down the list... somewhere around practice squad punter.


If you're drafting for 2012 in a vacuum, I agree. But if the team is going to start thinking ahead a bit to 2013 and beyond, when most of the guys you mention will no longer be around, WR becomes a more plausible option. Their draft is thin next year (pending any further trades, of course), so pulling the trigger this year might make some sense if the right guy is there. I think the bigger issue is that Hill will be gone by the time they pick, and likely Sanu & Randle as well. Beyond them, there don't seem to be many worthwhile candidates that would outweigh filling other positions of need.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:09 PM

I've been wrong before.


There was that time you bought that surplus supply of still-packaged Eugene Chung action figures

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:26 PM

If you're drafting for 2012 in a vacuum, I agree. But if the team is going to start thinking ahead a bit to 2013 and beyond, when most of the guys you mention will no longer be around, WR becomes a more plausible option. Their draft is thin next year (pending any further trades, of course), so pulling the trigger this year might make some sense if the right guy is there. I think the bigger issue is that Hill will be gone by the time they pick, and likely Sanu & Randle as well. Beyond them, there don't seem to be many worthwhile candidates that would outweigh filling other positions of need.


Right. Here's what I said in another thread about our current depth:


10 WR: B. Lloyd, W. Welker, C. Johnson, D. Stallworth, A. Gonzalez, M. Slater, J. Edelman, D. Branch, T. Underwood, B. Davis

- Slater is not a WR
- Johnson will likely be released
- Edelman caught 4 passes last year
- Gonzalez has played 2 games in the last 3 years
- Underwood will likely end up released/on the practice squad
- Davis will likely end up released/on the practice squad



I was wrong about Chad, apparently.

Still, though, I think the actual depth chart looks something like this (age for "Opening Day" in parens):

1. Lloyd (31) / 2. Welker (31) / 3. Stallworth (31) / 4. C. Johnson (34) / 5. Branch (33)

While that's a really strong WR corps, it's geriatric in NFL terms. Both looking ahead to 2013 and in case of injury/decline in 2012, I think it makes sense to add a young WR who can learn from the guys on the roster and take their place if needed.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:27 PM

I'm going to read the tea leaves and guess that the Pats draft strategy this year has changed. In the past they seemed to value lower round picks enough to stockpile them. And we know they have brought in more guys than usual from free agency.

I'll guess they try to trade down on both picks, maybe repeatedly, looking to get an extra 2nd next year, and they're not that concerned about rds 4-6 this year.