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[JimRiceHOFer]

http://espn.go.com/n...y-disabled-list

Gardner hurt the elbow while making a sliding catch in the third inning Tuesday night. After the game, he said he slightly injured his wrist, but did not mention the elbow.

Prior to Wednesday's game, he took batting practice and said he felt fine, but after taking more swings in the batting cage about a half-hour before first pitch, the issues returned.



With Gardner out, the Yanks will play Andruw Jones and possibly Eduardo Nunez in left. Designated hitter Raul Ibanez can also play the outfield.

Instead of recalling an outfielder to replace Gardner on the roster, the Yankees called up a right-handed reliever, Cody Eppley.

[collings94]

As much as I detest New York, Gardner is one of my favorite players to watch.

[TheYellowDart5]

Wasn't Nunez a complete disaster in the OF when they played him there last year, or do I have that wrong?

[rembrat]

Nunez can be a disaster anywhere you play him so you might have that right.

[Rough Carrigan]

Wasn't Nunez a complete disaster in the OF when they played him there last year, or do I have that wrong?

Yeah but Ibanez is a proven disaster of long standing when it comes to playing the outfield. I remember the guys at U.S.S. Mariner compiling a blooper reel of his screwups in just his last season with the M's, years ago. He nearly had it all, misjudgement, lack of speed, hard hands, a so-so arm and not laziness but everything else. He was brutal 4 years ago. Now . . ?!

[jon abbey]

They have DeWayne Wise in AAA, who is good defensively and is killing the ball in AAA, a 1.454 OPS in 33 ABs. He's not on the 40 man roster, but Joba or Cabral could easily go onto the 60 day DL to make room. Maybe they figure Gardner will be back in two weeks and they could use the extra pitcher against BOS/TEX/DET, but it sure leaves them thin (and old, and slow) in LF until then.

[derekson]

On the flip side, a speedy LFer is low on the list of needs as they head into the series at Fenway. Wouldn't surprise me to see Wise or Dickerson added to the roster after the weekend.

[jon abbey]

Dickerson's on the AAA DL, but you do make a good point.

[Sampo Gida]

Definitely need someone you can use as a defensive replacement. I remember Thames handing the Red Sox a W playing in RF in the late innings with Swisher out.

People underestimate the value of a decent LF'er with a good arm in Fenways LF. Holding runners to 1B instead of a double, or keeping them at 3B from 2B on a single.
As bad as Manny was catching FB, he did a good job holding runners and occasionally nailing them once the ball hit the ground.

Too bad you did not sign Manny, but he is still serving his suspension, so would not help much defensively this weekend anyways.

[Shaky]

Yankees manager Joe Girardi said outfielder Brett Gardner experienced a setback in his rehabilitation from his right elbow injury, and was expected to undergo another MRI on Thursday.
Gardner, who was likely to rejoin the club for the series finale against the Rays on Thursday night, now has an uncertain return date.
"After the game last night, he came out and he was sore so, as we speak, I believe he's having another MRI," Girardi said Thursday afternoon. "I can't tell you when he's going to be available to us."

http://mlb.mlb.com/n...ws_mlb&c_id=mlb

Goddammit.

[jon abbey]

Lohud Yankees Blog ‏ @LoHudYankees

Gardner strained the same muscle in his elbow. Won't pick up a bat for 10 days.

[ThePrideofShiner]

At least Dewayne Wise is with the big club this time. That should limit some of the Ibanez games in the outfield.

[SoxScout]

Ken_Rosenthal: #Yankees’ Gardner had setback last night - soreness in right elbow. Will see doctor on Monday.

[MakMan44]

Girardi says that he won't be back until after the All Star break at least

[jon abbey]

ARGH.

[terrynever]

Girardi says that he won't be back until after the All Star break at least

Is there something wrong inside that elbow requiring surgery?

[jon abbey]

He is seeing Dr. James Andrews on Monday, so quite possibly.

http://riveraveblues...ng-rehab-70030/

[derekson]

Will the Yankees make a trade for a LFer (or DH) or keep playing a Chavez/Nix platoon everyday?

[terrynever]

Will the Yankees make a trade for a LFer (or DH) or keep playing a Chavez/Nix platoon everyday?

Cashman didn't nix the idea when it was suggested to him by reporters earlier today.

[derekson]

And so the road was paved for Alfonso Soriano's triumphant return to the Bronx...

[terrynever]

And so the road was paved for Alfonso Soriano's triumphant return to the Bronx...

If you could turn back the clock 10 years, maybe.

Unrelated thought: Boy, do the Cubs suck this season.

[derekson]

If you could turn back the clock 10 years, maybe.

Unrelated thought: Boy, do the Cubs suck this season.

DeJesus might be an actual good target though, now that my mind is thinking Cubs. And he could take over RF from Swisher in 2013 if the Yankees really are looking to cut down on payroll.

[SoxScout]

Carlos Quentin rumors in 3..2..

[jon abbey]

I don't know what his fielding numbers look like, but Ibanez has been better than I expected defensively in LF. I mocked the party line that they chose Ibanez over Damon because of his defensive 'superiority' but maybe they knew what they were doing.

Two just off the DL in-house options could maybe help: Chris Dickerson for Dewayne Wise, also Branyan can get DH ABs against RHP while Ibanez plays LF. 1.390 OPS in 33 ABs in AAA so far, and of course RF in Yankee Stadium was made for him.

[derekson]

BP's new FRAA has Ibañez at -0.1 this season, so basically dead average. Far better than I expected he'd be, but about how he's looked when I've seen him. I've been surprised he's caught a lot of balls hit to LF that I assumed he was too slow to get to. He looks worse than he is as well, since he's very awkward out there. UZR has him at -2.8 runs in his limited time and DRS has him at -5. I think that both of those are probably low due to his visible awkwardness impacting the BIS stringers who generate the zone data both of those statistics use. Personally I buy the FRAA number.

I imagine Dickerson will get a chance before the Yankees pursue any kind of solution via trade. I hadn't realized he was off the DL.

Edited by derekson, 09 June 2012 - 11:48 PM.

[jon abbey]

"The Yankees announced that Brett Gardner will miss another 3-4 weeks after receiving platelet-rich plasma therapy on his strained right elbow. He also received a cortisone shot. The official diagnosis is a bone bruise, joint inflammation, and a muscle strain.
Gardner did no long-term damage to his elbow, it just hasn’t healed entirely. All three doctors — Ahmed, Andrews, and Kremchek — confirmed the diagnosis. Joe Girardi suggested Brett might not be back until after the All-Star break a few days ago, and that seems pretty spot on right now."

http://riveraveblues...-therapy-70342/

[SoxScout]

MarcCarig: Indeed, the Yankees believe Gardner to be likely done for the year.

DavidWaldstein: Brett Gardner having arthroscopic surgery on right elbow next week. Likely done for the season.

[jon abbey]

Wow, I remember being surprised he even went on the DL to begin with. No Gardner and Nunez flaming out hasn't necessarily hurt the offense, but it sure does make them slower.

Maybe this gives Cashman an excuse to try to maybe get a Swisher replacement in place a few months early, though (although tough to tinker with a team that's gone 36-13 since late May). It'll be interesting to see what's out there at least, maybe for Betances? Nate Schierholz was the name floating around earlier today:

http://www.sfgate.co...ade-3717640.php

[DanoooME]

I'm sure the Upton rumors will be increasing over the next few days. Betances seems to be turning it around a little at AA, but has a ways to go. Would they deal 3 top prospects and a decent lottery ticket for him?

[jon abbey]

I'm sure the Upton rumors will be increasing over the next few days. Betances seems to be turning it around a little at AA, but has a ways to go. Would they deal 3 top prospects and a decent lottery ticket for him?

Upton would make the $189M target in 2014 almost impossible, he's making $14.5M in 2014 and $14.7M in 2015. I personally think that NY will abandon this goal at some point (I can't see them letting Cano or Granderson going and even just those two moves mean they have almost no flexibility left), likely with a major move, but I'm not sure this is that.

If it is, though, Upton might be the guy worth emptying the farm for and Towers is familiar with the NY system. Does Mason Williams/Tyler Austin/Betances/Adam Warren do it? David Adams has been killing it in AA recently, and he's blocked by Cano.

[derekson]

Sub in Banuelos for Betances and you might have something.

[jon abbey]

That's a lot for a guy already making big money, essentially three top 50 prospects plus Warren who can probably pitch in the NL right now.

[Guero]

I thought I read somewhere that Upton has had an ongoing shoulder issue, which along with cash and the amount of farm prospects that would be dealt, makes me very leery of a deal.

Upton is a well known commodity, but I'm not so sure that's the target they should stake all their chips. I imagine they will either stay with what they have, or bring in a smaller piece. Swisher's future worth is yet unknown, so there is still a small possibility that he could be retained past this season. Granderson is almost a bigger unknown for me now, since his power numbers are likely to drive his price way up. Given his huge strike totals, low average, and pretty much being a power only guy this season, I'm not sold they will sink a lot of cash into that spot.

Cano is a given.

If Philly decides to sell, I'm liking the Victorino idea more and more. Decent bat, good speed, good defender, FA next season. Throw Philly Betances and a low level throw in and pick up the salary......see if they bite. Or is that wishful thinking?

Edited by Guero, 20 July 2012 - 02:44 AM.

[terrynever]

When it comes to signing Granderson after 2013, a related question is how fast can Mason Williams rise through the farm system? After a slow start, he's hitting .275 for Tampa and should stay there the rest of the summer. If he proves he can handle High-A, then he starts 2013 in AA ball. The elite talents can take two leagues in a season. Williams, in the best scenario, will be nearly ready after the 2013 season.

Why sign Granderson for big bucks at age 33 when low-cost Mason Williams is almost ready? Williams appears to be a similar talent to Austin Jackson. It's one thing to trade away Jackson and get a big home run guy in Granderson but to trade another kid similar to Jackson, to me, is not in keeping with the so-called $189M cap ceiling the organization has been touting for 2014.

[terrynever]

I thought I read somewhere that Upton has had an ongoing shoulder issue, which along with cash and the amount of farm prospects that would be dealt, makes me very leery of a deal.

Upton is a well known commodity, but I'm not so sure that's the target they should stake all their chips. I imagine they will either stay with what they have, or bring in a smaller piece. Swisher's future worth is yet unknown, so there is still a small possibility that he could be retained past this season. Granderson is almost a bigger unknown for me now, since his power numbers are likely to drive his price way up. Given his huge strike totals, low average, and pretty much being a power only guy this season, I'm not sold they will sink a lot of cash into that spot.

Cano is a given.

If Philly decides to sell, I'm liking the Victorino idea more and more. Decent bat, good speed, good defender, FA next season. Throw Philly Betances and a low level throw in and pick up the salary......see if they bite. Or is that wishful thinking?

I think it's pretty reasonable but Ruben Amaro Jr. knows a lot more than we do. He probably doesn't like Betances's track record and inconsistency. He won't get Banuelos. Somewhere in the middle. Yanks are taking on $3M in salary. Just guessing that Amaro might want Phelps. That may also be too much. David Adams is a possibility because of Utley's knees.

[jon abbey]

He's not dead yet! (said in a Monty Python referencing voice)

"Brett Gardner had surgery to remove inflamed tissue and shave down bone spurs in his right elbow late last month, but there’s a chance he could rejoin the Yankees as a pinch-runner/defensive specialist when the rosters expand in September."

http://riveraveblues...eptember-73417/

[abty]

Next is Rivera.

[ThePrideofShiner]

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1
Steve Pearce was DFAed to make room for Gardner who will be active tonite #Yankees