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[TomRicardo]

I am going to go with Larry "The Media Hitman" Lucchino

Edited by TomRicardo, 13 April 2012 - 09:16 AM.

[Sparky Lyle]

I am going to go with Larry "The Media Hitman" Lucchino

Me too.

[trekfan55]

Lackey.

BTW how about the Dentist? There should be an option for him.

[Yaz4Ever]

I voted "other". I'm going with the fans. If a computer can be the Time Man of the Year, the fans can be considered a "man" for this poll. Since 2004, we've gone from self-deprecating, to self-important. The team had an epic collapse in September, yes, but it's a new season with a new manager and some new faces. Let's see how things pan out before we start looking for scapegoats. Technically, we're in better shape than we were last year at this point and even with "the collapse" we still almost made it to the postseason. I'm determined to be a glass is half-full kind of fan for at least the next couple of weeks, then I'll probably become jaded and angry like so many others. Kevin Yousilis can't be as bad as we're seeing, although I've been begging for us to trade him for a couple of years while he was still worth something, plus Crawford will be back soon and there's no way he's as bad as last year.

[tims4wins]

Do Cafardo, PeteAbe, and Shank count?

[Yaz4Ever]

Do Cafardo, PeteAbe, and Shank count?

Now this is more like it. Let's harness our anger and beam it all toward CHB. Cafardo and PeteAbe are sad, CHB is evil.

[TomRicardo]

Do Cafardo, PeteAbe, and Shank count?

The Globe is a shell of its former self. CHB is actually the best writer and the most likeable person in that group.

Edited by TomRicardo, 13 April 2012 - 09:29 AM.

[Seabass177]

Depends upon how you want to view the question, I think.

- Based on overall dickishness, it seems like it'd be Lucchino in a walk. All of his backchannel kneecapping is eminently hateable, but we don't know 100% that he's behind all of the leaks and nonsense that come out of the FO.
- Based on face and attitude, it's Lackey. I know I'm not alone when I say I hated the shit out of him when he was in LA, I hated the shit out of the signing, and I've hated the shit out of his 5+ ERA face since he's been here. He probably elicits the most visceral reaction from me.
- Based on smarm and shitstirredness, it's Bobby V. I don't like managers that make themselves the story and want to bunt all day long. The differences in style and tactics between he and Tito is so stark that he pisses me off even more. I just want him gone. Bunting.

So, on the whole, they're all hateable. Since hating Lackey right now just seems unnecessary, I'll remove him from the running. Out of site, out of mind. Bobby V has only been around for six games, so maybe I just need to give him more time. If Lucchino wasn't here, Bobby V might not be here, and Tito would probably be at the festivities for Fenway 100. That'll tip the scales towards him. Lucchino's my winner.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

I went with Lackey -- everything about him just pisses me off, on-the-field and off. Filing for divorce while his wife was fighting cancer is just the cherry on top.

Luchhino is an evil puppet-master and corporate asshole, and I hate how he plays the media like a violin to orchestrate smear-jobs. But unfortunately, I also can't deny that Theo's free agent record was far superior in the pre-gorilla suit days, when LL was still demanding full accountability from baseball ops.

BobbyV is just arrogant and in over his head. For him I have more sadness that the Sox actually hired such a clown, than hatred.

[Snowplow]

Until he proves he can stay healthy and still play baseball it's Carl Crawford.

[FelixMantilla]

No love for Carl Crawford?

[SoxScout]

Crawford... really? Really?

[Buzzkill Pauley]

I cannot for the life of me understand why Crawford's name would come up, except that he sucked hard in the first season of which his was magnificently overpaid. By all accounts he was not divisive in the clubhouse, worked hard daily to try to get better results, and played through a lingering wrist injury.

Shouldn't ire towards Crawford be directed squarely at Theo for making such a ludicrous and flexibility-destroying splurge purchase?

Or Allard Baird, who followed him for six months and still didn't realize Crawford is apparently dumb as a box of rocks and needs more coddling than Linus van Pelt?

[aksoxfan]

Let's drop the hate and just ignore those we don't like.

[Dogman2]

No love for Carl Crawford?

I hated Pedroia the first month of the 2007 season.

[Doctor G]

I have to write in the Dentist.

[Skiponzo]

I just can't bring myself to hate someone that affects me on a personal day to day basis never mind people I will most likely never meet, thus I don't hate anyone on the Sox.


Not judging anyone who does (it's up to you how to live your life) but I don't waste time and mental effort on hating.

Edited by Skiponzo, 13 April 2012 - 10:53 AM.

[Soxfan in Fla]

The very fact Booby V is the manager is driving me to complete disinterest this season for the first time in my life. I honestly really would prefer to see them lose 100 this season and have him get fired in shame. That is the reason I voted for that piece of garbage. That said, Larry deserves plenty of votes and is probably the reason that Booby V. is even in Boston.

[Lynchie]

Me too.

Same here.

[ShaneTrot]

I just can't bring myself to hate someone that affects me on a personal day to day basis never mind people I will most likely never meet, thus I don't hate anyone on the Sox.


Not judging anyone who does (it's up to you how to live your life) but I don't waste time and mental effort on hating.

Somehow your sig and this message do not mesh.

I don't hate anyone on the Sox but I am incredibly disappointed in what I have seen during, and since the collapse. There has been a stunning lack of professionalism and accountability in the organization from the front office all the way down to the players. I do not like that Theo left this mess after turning his back on some of his core principles. I don't like how the team up and died on Francona (whom does not get enough blame, I think for the collapse) and I certainly do not like how the front office has acted like gossipy little girls.

[jose melendez]

How is this anyone but Lackey? He got a huge contract, pitches poorly, blames his teammates for his failure, and brings other teammates down with him.

LL may be a sinisterish owner, but not distinctively so. I'd still rather have him thane 2/3 of the other people who have his job in the League. Lackey, is an archetype of the overpaid arrogant major leaguer except many of those guys can at least play.

This shouldn't even be close.

[TomRicardo]

Larry The Media Hitman Luicchino is a far worse Devil than Lackey. Lackey had a shitty season and is a shitty person but in the overall "Destroying my perception of the Red Sox Franchise" I simply cannot actually just pin it on one player. It is just so easy to hate one player and love a team ie Lugo and the 2007 Red Sox. TMH has the sad sorry sacks at the Globe at his disposal to which he goes about destroying Tito and Theo.

It is not like a contract like Lackey's or Crawford were given without LL's consent although when they turn bad you hear how he didn't want them...

[geoduck no quahog]

A-Rod

Oh wait...

[Tony C]

How is this anyone but Lackey? He got a huge contract, pitches poorly, blames his teammates for his failure, and brings other teammates down with him.

LL may be a sinisterish owner, but not distinctively so. I'd still rather have him thane 2/3 of the other people who have his job in the League. Lackey, is an archetype of the overpaid arrogant major leaguer except many of those guys can at least play.

This shouldn't even be close.

Well said. I don't care if LL is a good guy or not, the mngmnt group of which he's been a part has been overall well above average. That's all I care about.

Lackey, on the other hand....

[24JoshuaPoint]

Lackey. I don't mind LL. The couple of times i've briefly talked to him he seemed like a nice guy. Whether that's a facade who knows. But everything about Lackey screams dumbass.

[Skiponzo]

Somehow your sig and this message do not mesh.

Despite my job putting me in front of people all the time, I'm an introvert. Thus I really like people to leave me alone when I don't have to "be on".

[HomeBrew1901]

Beckett

[Sprowl]

How is this anyone but Lackey? He got a huge contract, pitches poorly, blames his teammates for his failure, and brings other teammates down with him.

LL may be a sinisterish owner, but not distinctively so. I'd still rather have him thane 2/3 of the other people who have his job in the League. Lackey, is an archetype of the overpaid arrogant major leaguer except many of those guys can at least play.

This shouldn't even be close.

I can't really hate anybody on the Red Sox. Even in 2001 I prayed that Offerman would channel his aggression effectively, that Lansing would live up to his own self-image, that Dante Bichette would get a sudden burst of power, and that Dan Duquette's last roll of the dice on Joe Kerrigan as manager would set the club on a winning tear. Being far away from Boston and in the pre-MLBtv Stone Age, I never heard the dirt about Jurassic Carl until years later.

Nevertheless, the question doesn't ask whom one hates, just who is most hateable. If anything, Crawford tries too hard -- hard to hate that. Lackey and Lucchino are neck and neck as they round the clubhouse turn. My prediction: Lackey wins by a chin.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and guess Maddon was right on this -- not an advantage at all.

[wutang112878]

I dont like Lackey and have a tough time rooting for him, but do we all remember this:






Its pretty rare that such a tasteless tactic has been attempted to exploit a loyal fan base for profit. IIRC it was Larry's idea, or at the very least he had to give it the go ahead. So based on this, and how he was willing to treat us fans I have to go with Larry.

[JMDurron]

It is arguable that, despite his potential personality foibles, Larry Lucchino has made immeasurable contributions to the overall state of the franchise, as a part of the ownership/management group that has brought 2 titles to Boston. John Lackey managed to be average and to eat some innings for one season. If you are talking about equally frustrating personalities, one has arguably made huge contributions to the fanbase via his day-to-day performance over the years, and the other arguably didn't technically suck once. Being hateable, to me, means that a combination of personality issues and performance issues are potentially enraging. Lackey is worse, because he has effectively contributed nothing positive over 3 years, and his negatives are more concretely tied to him factually (timing of divorce, on-field performance) than Lucchino's (lots of assumptions about things he has done). Therefore, Lackey is more hateable.

[IpswichSox]

Beckett

Given that you posted as Beckett threw his first pitch today, we'll now give you time to reflect and reconsider your vote as we head into the ninth inning...

[Manramsclan]

Lucky in a landside. Everytime I hear him talk I can hear the condescension and smirk.

He's awful, and unlike Lackey he will not go away.

[BelgianSoxFan]

I dont like Lackey and have a tough time rooting for him, but do we all remember this:

Its pretty rare that such a tasteless tactic has been attempted to exploit a loyal fan base for profit. IIRC it was Larry's idea, or at the very least he had to give it the go ahead. So based on this, and how he was willing to treat us fans I have to go with Larry.

These extra revenue streams allow this team have one of the highest payrolls in MLB. If you don't like it, don't join up. He is not likeable, but LL is one of the best FO execs in baseball and he had a share in '04 and '07.

[wutang112878]

These extra revenue streams allow this team have one of the highest payrolls in MLB. If you don't like it, don't join up. He is not likeable, but LL is one of the best FO execs in baseball and he had a share in '04 and '07.

Its not just the RedSox nation cards, its multiple things that demonstrate a clear patter of behavior. Its the selling of the Fenway grass that they were just going to throw away to make a few dollars, its the trashing of Theo via the CHB article a while back, the trashing of Tito on the way out the door, and the more recent 'you are being unfair to us' foolishness. Even if Larry isnt personally responsible for all these things, he is the leader of the ship and there are too many instances where I really dont like how he allows them to operate.

And if you agree that he isnt likeable, does being great at something justify being an unlikeable person? I dont think so

[mwonow]

My vote said Lackey, but my heart says Lugo

[AlNipper49]

Johnny Pesky, that responsibility-shirking dick

[BelgianSoxFan]

Its not just the RedSox nation cards, its multiple things that demonstrate a clear patter of behavior. Its the selling of the Fenway grass that they were just going to throw away to make a few dollars, its the trashing of Theo via the CHB article a while back, the trashing of Tito on the way out the door, and the more recent 'you are being unfair to us' foolishness. Even if Larry isnt personally responsible for all these things, he is the leader of the ship and there are too many instances where I really dont like how he allows them to operate.

And if you agree that he isnt likeable, does being great at something justify being an unlikeable person? I dont think so

There is a difference between being unlikeable and hateable in my view. Fans constantly admire players with unlikable personalities as long as they are great at what they are doing. Roger Clemens was a very popular Red Sox player. Barry Bonds is adored here in the Bay Area. If Lackey had a 140 ERA+ last year, no Red Sox fan would hate him.

Edited by BelgianSoxFan, 13 April 2012 - 07:07 PM.

[Sprowl]

And if you agree that he isnt likeable, does being great at something justify being an unlikeable person? I dont think so

Bad Cops can't break cases without the Good Cop. LL is just the Red Sox yang. I don't mean that in the sense of "bright positive masculine principle." I mean that in the sense of obnoxious jerk with an interesting set of theories.

[wutang112878]

There is a difference between being unlikeable and hateable in my view. Fans constantly admire players with unlikable personalities as long as they are great at what they are doing. Roger Clemens was a very popular Red Sox player. Barry Bonds is adored here in the Bay Area. If Lackey had a 140 ERA+ last year, no Red Sox fan would hate him.

Solid point. Personally I dont like to root for a lot of the unlikeable personalities, like say Beckett or say Millar after he trashed Tito with anonymous quotes. It bugs me and I probably become biased towards those people because I dont find it necessary to be a jerk.

Bad Cops can't break cases without the Good Cop. LL is just the Red Sox yang. I don't mean that in the sense of "bright positive masculine principle." I mean that in the sense of obnoxious jerk with an interesting set of theories.

I will fully admit that LL is great at what he does, I just dont understand why he needs to come off like a jerk sometimes in interviews and do things such as the Fenway grass, or go on trash the person leaving the organization stuff. It keeps the RedSox in the news at times but I really dont see the value that it brings to the franchise. I would compare his style to the Patriots. They sell-out virtually all the games, its because they win, and they do this with very high ticket prices. Yet, the Krafts really dont try to exploit the public with 'buy the Patriot grass' stuff, and they dont trash people on their way out of town. But from a profit margin perspective I bet both the RedSox and Patriots are leaders in their industry, so I dont think you have to go to the lengths that Larry does to make money in this market, just my opinion.

[Rasputin]

I don't get the Lucchino hate. Sure, he's not the most pleasant person but most of the things people accuse him of are things I'm not sure you can be sure he's responsible for.

Meanwhile Lackey pitches poorly, shows up his teammates, cheats on his cancer having wife, and, in general is a miserable fucktard.

[HomeBrew1901]

Given that you posted as Beckett threw his first pitch today, we'll now give you time to reflect and reconsider your vote as we head into the ninth inning...

Ooooooh he pitched one good game. Lets see him do it against a few good lineups.

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Ooooooh he pitched one good game. Lets see him do it against a few good lineups.

Why wait? He's pitched very well for the Sox against good lineups many times over the past 5 seasons.

Yet you still apparently hate him most.

[pedro1918]

I've met Larry and I thought he seemed like a good guy. He also helped bring me two World Series titles.

I've never met Lackey and he seems like an ass. He has brought me hypertension and numerous upset stomachs.

Lackey it is.

Edited by pedro1918, 13 April 2012 - 10:09 PM.