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#351 Lefty on the Mound


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Posted 01 February 2013 - 03:15 PM

I can't prove it and I guess we'll see, but....you're completely wrong.  My generation has been waiting patiently for years and we're just coming into the money we need to be able to afford it.  If I get the call, it's a no-brainer.  Split it with a couple folks to defray the cost and you're good to go.

There are 81 regular season games.  If you split that with three other people, you are buying tickets to 20 games.  Are you going to go to 20 games?  If you sell them on StubHub, you'll have to get an 18% markup in order to not lose money after Stubhub takes their 15%.  Good luck getting that for all the games you won't be attending.  The last two months of last season on game day there were thousands of tickets selling for less than cost.

 

If you're willing to lose money in order to subsidize the Red Sox until they stop sucking, then go for it.  But it's far from a no-brainer.



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Posted 01 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

So the organization that won't hand out long term deals now requires them out of season ticket holders? That's rich.

It's telling that they used to want 5 year commitments and are now willing to accept 3 or 4 year commitments.  Must have been something they found in the physical. ;)



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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:19 PM

There are 81 regular season games.  If you split that with three other people, you are buying tickets to 20 games.  Are you going to go to 20 games?  If you sell them on StubHub, you'll have to get an 18% markup in order to not lose money after Stubhub takes their 15%.  Good luck getting that for all the games you won't be attending.  The last two months of last season on game day there were thousands of tickets selling for less than cost.

 

If you're willing to lose money in order to subsidize the Red Sox until they stop sucking, then go for it.  But it's far from a no-brainer.

 

It depends. You might lose money this year compared to buying tickets second-hand but if they're in the playoff hunt you'll be selling tickets at a profit in September, you get playoff seats at face and then the demand will be up for next year. Sure, it would take a WS run to make it a no-brainer like it once was, but if you look at it long-term it's probably a good investment to get in now, unless you're very sour on the team's future. Fenway is still going to be one of the smallest parks in the league relative to the population of its region. 



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Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:33 PM

I mean, if you want to put it in investment terms, of course it's a long-term moneymaker. I don't think that's even a debate, is it? I don't think of my entertainment budget as profit and loss, though, I look at it in terms of value. On the premise that in a vacuum I'd think it's good value to pay $50 to see a three-hour baseball game, then I think I'd still find good value if I had to eat a couple of crappy games at a loss.

In answer to the other questions, yes I'd go to 20 games, yes I'd find 3 friends to split it with. Wouldn't even cross my mind that it was an obstacle. I will agree, though, that what it sounds like they're trying to pitch to the waiting list is kind of unbelievably tone-deaf. I guess they figure it's a narrow enough crowd that it won't reach the general public's awareness. Or something.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:47 PM

I mean, if you want to put it in investment terms, of course it's a long-term moneymaker. I don't think that's even a debate, is it? I don't think of my entertainment budget as profit and loss, though, I look at it in terms of value. On the premise that in a vacuum I'd think it's good value to pay $50 to see a three-hour baseball game, then I think I'd still find good value if I had to eat a couple of crappy games at a loss.

In answer to the other questions, yes I'd go to 20 games, yes I'd find 3 friends to split it with. Wouldn't even cross my mind that it was an obstacle. I will agree, though, that what it sounds like they're trying to pitch to the waiting list is kind of unbelievably tone-deaf. I guess they figure it's a narrow enough crowd that it won't reach the general public's awareness. Or something.

Whatever bad feeling results from hearing about a tone deaf ticket offer made to someone else is monstrously fleeting.



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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:11 PM

I mean, if you want to put it in investment terms, of course it's a long-term moneymaker. I don't think that's even a debate, is it? I don't think of my entertainment budget as profit and loss, though, I look at it in terms of value. On the premise that in a vacuum I'd think it's good value to pay $50 to see a three-hour baseball game, then I think I'd still find good value if I had to eat a couple of crappy games at a loss.

In answer to the other questions, yes I'd go to 20 games, yes I'd find 3 friends to split it with. Wouldn't even cross my mind that it was an obstacle. I will agree, though, that what it sounds like they're trying to pitch to the waiting list is kind of unbelievably tone-deaf. I guess they figure it's a narrow enough crowd that it won't reach the general public's awareness. Or something.

 

 

The point is that its pretty easy to just buy the tickets you want to on StubHub.  And there is a very good chance you will be able to get tickets for close to face value (or even less) for most games this year.  And that eliminates all the issues with last minute plans, weather issues, crappy pitching match ups, or any other reason you may not be that excited about going to the game.  

 

I'd far prefer being able to just buy tickets to 10 games that I know I want to see than have tickets to 20 random games spread throughout the year.  And even if StubHub costs a bit more per seat (not even assured these days) that would be a far better value for me. Tickets would have to routinely be costing 2-3x face value on StubHub for me to consider joining a group for season tickets.

 

It may not be a "profit and loss" scenario for you...but unless you have some bizarre desire to sit in the same seat at every game, I don't think season tickets are a no-brainer decision at all, even for fairly big Sox fans.


Edited by radsoxfan, 01 February 2013 - 08:03 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:19 PM

Getting a full strip of playoff tickets for face value is a pretty huge bit that you're ignoring.  Unless you assume the Red Sox are in permanent decline or they'll offer you the chance to buy season tickets every year, I don't see how someone who wants to go to 20 games a year would pass up the chance. 



#358 radsoxfan

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:42 PM

Getting a full strip of playoff tickets for face value is a pretty huge bit that you're ignoring.  Unless you assume the Red Sox are in permanent decline or they'll offer you the chance to buy season tickets every year, I don't see how someone who wants to go to 20 games a year would pass up the chance. 

 

Stubhub sells playoff tickets too.  Heck, I got 2004 Game 4 ACLS seats for less than face value on Stubhub.  

 

Perhaps I just value flexibility more than most people.  But the way the secondary market is right now, I dont see how season tickets is worth it for me.  

 

Like I said, if it goes back to tickets routinely being 2-3x face value for most games, then I would reconsider. But this season?  No thanks.  



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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

 
Like I said, if it goes back to tickets routinely being 2-3x face value for most games, then I would reconsider. But this season?  No thanks.  


Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're on the waiting list and your name comes up for regular season tix, that's your one shot. You can't defer. If I'm right, what you're saying amounts to a statement that the Sox won't be hot again in the medium-term future, because that's about how long the wait is if you go to the back of the line.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 12:50 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're on the waiting list and your name comes up for regular season tix, that's your one shot. You can't defer. If I'm right, what you're saying amounts to a statement that the Sox won't be hot again in the medium-term future, because that's about how long the wait is if you go to the back of the line.

 

I don't know the details of the rules, but I think you're right in general.  You can only defer a certain number of times before you go back to the end of the line.

 

But my point is that even while the Sox were moderately "hot", I still strongly preferred to pick and choose games on the secondary market.  Tickets would have to be REALLY expensive on Stubhub for me to prefer season tickets.

 

Again, I may be in the minority given my preference for flexibility.  Everyone's price point will be slightly different.  But I have a feeling some people just want to say they have "season tickets" without actually realizing they would probably be better off without them.



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:25 AM

Stubhub sells playoff tickets too.  Heck, I got 2004 Game 4 ACLS seats for less than face value on Stubhub.

You got them either during or after game 3, right? That's a bit deceiving of where the market was for tickets in '04. Based on informal surveys of what the people around us paid, I could have netted about $12K selling my pair of bleacher seats for the playoffs.

The Red Sox can't create new full season ticket packages at this point to keep the streak alive because the easiest tickets to market would be the non-premium seats which have already been scooped up for at least some of the games. They may be able to create some 10 and 20 game STH packages for the cheaper seats but I'm not sure if that is happening.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:56 AM

The sell out streak ended a long time ago. Only bizarre rules keep it in place. I only keep going to games because I'm addicted to them and can't let go. If they don't win, less people will go. The division looks more difficult this year so I am not confident but always hopeful. Once the February sun stays around longer, I can feel the games coming ~ even if April is the cruelest month.  



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 01:24 PM

The sell out streak ended a long time ago. Only bizarre rules keep it in place. I only keep going to games because I'm addicted to them and can't let go. If they don't win, less people will go. The division looks more difficult this year so I am not confident but always hopeful. Once the February sun stays around longer, I can feel the games coming ~ even if April is the cruelest month.  


Because you and so many are addicted and the historical aura surrounding the Sox encompasses so many BB die hards the FO always are cut much slack at the ticket windows...

It seems that Luckie and Ben are through with dog and pony shows...Let's hope that boring doesn't become part of the " new " game...

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

The 3 or 4 year commitment on $168 seats is obscene. There's no other word for it.



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:14 PM

The 3 or 4 year commitment on $168 seats is obscene. There's no other word for it.

It's also likely a miscalculation on their part. 

Two different clients of the company where I work are big Sox fans and had been 2 out of the 4 guys using a block of 4 seats in the State Street pavillion seats, the upper level of seats behind the plate.  They were nice enough to spin a few tickets my way a few times.  Anyway, in 2011, the client with whom I'm more friendly was telling me about his lessening enthusiasm and how sometimes he couldn't even give tickets away to his neighbors.  A few days later he told me that the Red Sox hit him with a demand for something like a 5% price increase and a 3 year contract.  He said it was easy to just walk away.  Maybe they can hustle someone else into those seats for more than our client was paying (which I think was *more* than that $168 per seat per game price cited by HwSC).  But I'm skeptical. 



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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

The 3 or 4 year commitment on $168 seats is obscene. There's no other word for it.

Maybe so, but if the market will bear it, it's the market price.

 

In 1999, I paid $20k/seat for a charter seat license in Seattle's new ballpark. This gives me the right for 19.5 years to buy the same (excellent) seats at whatever price the team chooses to set. If I say "Eff-that" for one year, I lose that right.

 

Is that obscene? There were people lined up ahead of me and behind me to pay that price.

 

Was it worth it? I used to think so. 10 years of bad-to-abysmal teams has a way of making the question harder to answer.



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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:58 PM

MLB would be much better if there was a chance a team could get relegated to a lower division so teams like the Pirates would have to compete rather than just make money on selling players. If they ever want more than a one year commitment from me, I will just walk away and could care less about how greedy and anti family they are.



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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:57 PM

What would it mean for the MLB team to be relegated? Not much: MLB teams control the contracts of their minor league players.

 

If the minor leagues were independent entities, this could be an interesting discussion. Thank Branch Rickey that it's not.



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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

I've said it before in the Season Ticket holders forum, and I'll say it again. The current system is awful. My family has had season tickets behind home plate since 1987. The best resale option was the Red Sox Replay, you could list your tickets and anyone that had access to the Red Sox Replay could buy them. They charged non-Season ticket holders to gain access to the system, but it gave them access to seats. The Red Sox marked up the tickets, the Season Ticket Holders got full face value if they sold (they always did), and the buyer could just print off the reissued tickets at home.

 

I know MLB put pressure on teams to go to a licensed ticket reseller, but they won't always accept tickets, and they definitely won't accept them day of.

 

I'd love to see the Red Sox Replay system reinstated, and perhaps even as another source of revenue say that if you're on the waiting list for season tickets you can pay to stay on the waiting list (nothing obscene, whatever the fee was before), but that would also include access to the Red Sox Replay system.



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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

I've said it before in the Season Ticket holders forum, and I'll say it again. The current system is awful. My family has had season tickets behind home plate since 1987. The best resale option was the Red Sox Replay, you could list your tickets and anyone that had access to the Red Sox Replay could buy them. They charged non-Season ticket holders to gain access to the system, but it gave them access to seats. The Red Sox marked up the tickets, the Season Ticket Holders got full face value if they sold (they always did), and the buyer could just print off the reissued tickets at home.

 

I know MLB put pressure on teams to go to a licensed ticket reseller, but they won't always accept tickets, and they definitely won't accept them day of.

 

I'd love to see the Red Sox Replay system reinstated, and perhaps even as another source of revenue say that if you're on the waiting list for season tickets you can pay to stay on the waiting list (nothing obscene, whatever the fee was before), but that would also include access to the Red Sox Replay system.

Stubhub is "The Official Fan-to-Fan Marketplace of redsox.com"  ("Anyone with a Red Sox ticket can sell it on StubHub. If you have a Red Sox account, you can list your ticket for sale right from your account. If you don't have a Red Sox account, you can list your ticket for sale on the StubHub website.") and Stubhub definitely lets even non-season-ticket-holders list and sell same day. (I know that some teams are looking at limiting same-day sales, since StubHub is undercutting the box office, but I have upgraded my tix and listed my old ones day-of-game multiple times.)



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

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Lucchino says sellout streak will "rest in peace sometime in April" #RedSox

 

Thank God



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:26 PM

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Lucchino says he expects Sox sellout streak to end in April. 'That's not such a terrible thing.'
 
I guess the off-season focus groups must have yielded some definitive conclusions about continuing to bullshit fans in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:27 PM

I don't think I'm ready for a world in which ownership doesn't spoon feed us laughable bullshit.

 

If so then it's a positive step.



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:27 PM

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:44 AM

I'm gonna say their admission almost nothing to do with surveys, and everything to do with the fact that there are plenty of unsold tickets available for the April 11 game, and already nearly 2000 available on Stubhub. Whats the over/under on actual attendance for that game, 20,000?

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:20 PM

Stubhub tix are sold, so those don't count. Actual attendence? I'd guess 25,000, unless they do some giveaway, or have a postgame Cowsills concert.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

Stubhub tix are sold, so those don't count.

I think he meant that if there are good tix on StubHub, which might well sell below face, it's hard to think the Sox can sell the rest of the crummy tix at full price.



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:18 PM

News for sox fans on stubhub, just got an email:
- minimum listing price of $3
-for "barcode" sold tickets, there will be a $1.50 transfer fee borne by the seller, before the 15% fee
-there is also a delivery fee paid by the buyer, along with the service fee.

So I think nets out to:
-holder lists ticket for $50
-holder gets 41.23
-buyer pays $57

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

Here's the whole message, from Stubhub

Twenty-seven of the 30 MLB teams will have a cancel/reissue barcode integration ("MLB integrated teams") with StubHub in 2013 and the Boston Red Sox are one of the teams continuing its relationship with StubHub.
MLB transfer fee and minimum list price
For all 2013 home games for MLB integrated teams, there will be an MLB transfer fee of $1.50 per ticket, which will only apply if your tickets sell. In the sell flow, you'll see the MLB transfer fee as a separate line item. For example, if you list a ticket for $50.00, the first $1.50 will go to the MLB transfer fee and your payout will be $41.23, which is 85% of the remaining $48.50.

There will also be a minimum list price for all 2013 Boston Red Sox games of $3.00 per ticket, which is inclusive of the $1.50 MLB transfer fee.
Product and technology updates
What the buyer sees is what the buyer pays: Typically on StubHub, once a buyer selects the tickets they want to buy, the buyer is assessed an additional 10% fee right before they purchase their tickets. However, for 2013 MLB games, we're, changing the way we show ticket prices on our site and will include the buyer service fee in the ticket price for all 2013 MLB games. It's important to note that including the buyer service fee in the ticket cost will impact the price of your tickets the buyer sees on the event page, but it won't alter your payout.
Buyer ticket delivery: We're also changing the delivery fee buyers pay to collect their tickets for home games for MLB integrated teams. The delivery fee will now be $2.00 per ticket for all 2013 home games for MLB integrated teams, in place of the previous delivery charge assessed at checkout. Like the service fee, the delivery fee will be included in the ticket price on the event page.
Here's an example of how it will work:
If a seller sets a per ticket cost of $50.00, that listing will show on the event page for $57.00, which includes the ticket cost ($50), buyer service fee ($5) and buyer delivery fee ($2). It's important to keep this in mind when pricing your tickets and looking for them on the event page.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:51 PM

I received the same e-mail.

 

My favorite part:

 

There will also be a minimum list price for all 2013 Boston Red Sox games of $3.00 per ticket, which is inclusive of the $1.50 MLB transfer fee.

 

Set that expectations bar nice and low.



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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:26 PM

Last year the Red Sox let season ticket holders complete unlimited "ticket tosses" for free.  That lets you email anyone your tickets and they can claim them from a kiosk or print them out at home.  With Stub Hub's latest shakedown, I'll be craigslist-ticket-tossing whenever I need to unload some seats this year.



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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:39 AM

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Lucchino says sellout streak will "rest in peace sometime in April" #RedSox

 

Thank God

 

Yes, I love it when the team I root for can't get as much revenue as they used to. Thank God that era is over.

 

I scoffed at the streak as much as anyone, but every other team would do the same thing, and I'm not exactly celebrating the Sox possibly not having as much money as they used to.


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:32 PM

Yes, I love it when the team I root for can't get as much revenue as they used to. Thank God that era is over.

 

I scoffed at the streak as much as anyone, but every other team would do the same thing, and I'm not exactly celebrating the Sox possibly not having as much money as they used to.

 

Is the money they're making going to substantially change?

 

The whole point of the sellout streak wasn't that they were promoting it, it was that they were floating their own tickets on StubHub for a dollar to keep it going, or buying a thousand tickets through a company to keep it going, or just flat out making up numbers.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 02:52 PM

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Lucchino says sellout streak will "rest in peace sometime in April" #RedSox

 

Thank God

sometime in April= tomorrow's game

 

 

#RedSox officials say that the team's Fenway Park sellout streak will almost certainly end on Wednesday.

 

 

 

 

Wonder how long their new sellout streak will last, once it gets started...


Edited by soxhop411, 09 April 2013 - 03:03 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:56 PM

Probably 2 during a Sat/Sun. Maybe the late June series against Toronto when school is out.


Edited by SeanBerry, 09 April 2013 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 05:52 PM

sometime in April= tomorrow's game

 
Ha! That's what you think. I personally plan to buy up the remaining tickets just to keep the streak going. I can't think of a more noble thing to do with my money, including just giving the money to . . .

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Or, maybe it's time to just let this lie finally die.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:54 AM

Do I hear "TAPS"?



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:46 PM

SI.com says yes.

 

http://mlb.si.com/20...s/?sct=uk_t2_a3

The Boston Red Sox’s streak of sold-out home games is expected to come to an end Wednesday night when the Sox host the Orioles at Fenway Park in their second home game of the 2013 season. If so, the streak, which started on May 15, 2003, will stand at 794 games, a record for a North American sports team, leaving the defending World Series champion San Francisco Giants’ 169-game streak as the longest active one in baseball. The validity of Boston’s streak is somewhat controversial, but it is official, so here’s a look at those last 794 games by the numbers.

 

And then a bunch of trivia about stats during the streak.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:47 PM

SI.com says yes.

 

http://mlb.si.com/20...s/?sct=uk_t2_a3

 

 

And then a bunch of trivia about stats during the streak.

On pregame for today's Giants game against Colorado, Giants host saying the streak is now theirs. 


Edited by Al Zarilla, 10 April 2013 - 02:48 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

Just confirmed on the radio broadcast.  The streak is dead....officially. 



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:21 PM

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Scalpers in Kenmore selling #RedSox tickets for half face value.

 



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:47 PM

If the rain keeps coming down, then the streak may not officially end until tomorrow...



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:12 PM

Oh for fuck's sake...

 

The 794-game Red Sox sellout streak that ended Wednesday night at Fenway park was controversial because of the way it was defined, incorporating tickets distributed — i.e., also given out free — as part of the sellout.
 
The Red Sox and chief operating officer Sam Kennedy have long said their practice of counting a sellout that way is accepted in the industry, and despite the mild uproar the Sox streak created, the team is not going to change that practice, Kennedy said Wednesday.
 
"No. We inherited that definition when we got here," Kennedy said. "I think it dates back to the early 1990s, so we’ll keep the definition the Red Sox have had, that several other pro sports teams have had and other baseball teams as well."

 

Yeah, because inheriting the definition means you can't possibly make any changes to it. It also apparently means you can't come clean with the real reason you count those numbers.

 

Just be honest with the fans, you asshole. There's only one justification for counting those tickets, and that's so sponsors of stadium signage and merchandise know exactly how many asses are in the seats receiving the messages their companies are paying for. Especially those that aren't shown on TV that often or not at all. No shame in that. Just fucking admit it and dispense with the public runaround.

 

More front office P.R. horseshit. As long as we don't call it "chicanery". Right Larry?



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 04:20 AM

Oh for fuck's sake...

 

 

Yeah, because inheriting the definition means you can't possibly make any changes to it. It also apparently means you can't come clean with the real reason you count those numbers.

 

Just be honest with the fans, you asshole. There's only one justification for counting those tickets, and that's so sponsors of stadium signage and merchandise know exactly how many asses are in the seats receiving the messages their companies are paying for. Especially those that aren't shown on TV that often or not at all. No shame in that. Just fucking admit it and dispense with the public runaround.

 

More front office P.R. horseshit. As long as we don't call it "chicanery". Right Larry?

 

As someone who has overseen a stadium signage deal, I'm going to disagree. Not with your larger premise - the inflation of attendance figures is absolutely in the team's interest and they are being dishonest in that respect - but with the notion that counting the actual number of fans attending the games is of tremendous importance to sponsors.

 

As counter-intuitive as it sounds, most signage deals at arenas and stadiums are not sold or purchased based on the CPM or impressions recorded against viewership tied to actual attendance. (I mean - the CPM and the cost per impression are certainly calculated and included in the deal, but it's not the driving factor in why companies decide to buy the signage.) Nor is there a meaningful difference in price based on the difference between actual and reported attendance, or whether a relatively small percentage of fans in the stadium paid for their seats or were given freebies. 

 

I say this because there is no way for any team to justify the cost of their stadium signage by using these metrics.  And there is no way any advertiser can justify the purchase based on these metrics.  Rather (and I'm going to enjoy saying this) these deals are almost always justified by citing the "intangible brand benefits" of associating the sponsor brand with the team in question along with the merchandising package that is included in the deal.  "Merchandising" (industry slang for "what else do I get?") typically will include tickets to games and access to playoff game tickets, sponsorship mentions on the various broadcast properties, co-marketing opportunities and the rights to use the team's name/logo in the sponsor's own ads. For big ticket sponsors, the teams will throw in things like player appearances, luxury boxes, use of the team's arena/stadium for company events and other goodies.

 

The point is that while attendance is certainly important as an indicator of how valuable the brand is within the community, the distinction between actual asses in the seat and reported attendance for games is not something advertisers focus on unless the difference is so obvious as to cause the advertiser to question the integrity of the team.  So if a true sellout is 37,400 and it obvious that the team is averaging between 35,000 and 36,000 seats actually filled, the sponsor isn't going to care. But if actual attendance is averaging around 30,000 and the team is still claiming that games are sold out, that will grab the attention of the sponsor.  Not because the difference will have an appreciable impact on the number of folks viewing their ad, but because they know the team is being dishonest in terms of their overall popularity within the community.

 

This is a long way of saying that the Sox wanted to keep the sellout streak going for as long as possible because it helped support the notion that the community was so supportive of the team that tickets were incredibly hard to get, prices were high and fans lived and died with the Sox.  That sort of brand equity allows the team to sell signage/merchandise deals for much more than they were actually worth, and now that the streak is gone, the perceived value of the sponsorship may drop.  The team will probably respond by increasing the other goodies that sponsors get while holding the line on pricing (for now) and hoping the team on the field improves to the point where fan interest rebounds and the premiums are once again justified.  If there is no rebound, the market will dictate that prices will eventually drop.

 

With all that as background I found Kennedy's comments to be exactly what I would expect from any team in this situation.



#395 biollante


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:21 AM

A streak that never was ended by a team run by control freaks. I feel so sad for those that run this organization. They fear honesty. They throw people like Francona under the bus. And their beer prices are too high.   



#396 TomRicardo


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:44 AM

A streak that never was ended by a team run by control freaks. I feel so sad for those that run this organization. They fear honesty. They throw people like Francona under the bus. And their beer prices are too high.   

 

I really can't get why everyone thought the sell out streak was a lie.  It was pretty obvious that people up until this year were buying tickets preseason thinking they would be able to flip it for more money later in the season.  The team was leaving a very limited number of game day tickets available (why mess with guaranteed money)

 

Sell out does not mean Full House.  A sell out could have 1 person in the stands.  I have been to a sell out Red Sox Yankees game in the Bronx that may have had 2,000 people in the stands due to a 3 hour rain delay.  They still called it a sell out.

 

If all the tickets that are available for purchase are purchased on the primary market you have a sell out.  



#397 Lose Remerswaal


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:44 AM


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Scalpers in Kenmore selling #RedSox tickets for half face value.

 

This was often true last year.

 

So Ding Dong, the streak is over.  So what?  We all knew it last year, the Sox knew it last year, the media knew it last year, and now it is confirmed.

 

How does that change anything?  Will they get rid of Sweet Caroline because the media and SOSH say it's a stupid tradition and that it's origin story is fake?  Will they stop selling pink hats?  Will they lower concession prices?  Will they start doing Family Days or give out bobbleheads to the kids?

 

No.  None of the above.  Nothing has changed except we now have confirmation of a fact that we already knew was fact.  Time to move on.

 

 

Edit:  And what T-Ric said.


Edited by Lose Remerswaal, 11 April 2013 - 06:45 AM.


#398 Smiling Joe Hesketh


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:42 AM

Official attendance last night: 30,862. And even that's a stretch.

 

Fitting that this fraud of a streak officially ends with a horrid 9th inning meltdown.



#399 Lose Remerswaal


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:47 AM

They should have retired Evans' number last night

 

And 'Tek tonight



#400 PedroKsBambino


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:37 PM

I think it's a shame how many people's vitriol at last season's team, and some at ownership, has been playing out in all sorts of silly language around this streak.  






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