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[YTF]

Well, can't expect much from the droves of come lately "fans" who emerged leading up to and following '04. Sometimes I wish the team would have a few bad years so they’d all go away.

It not at all a new phenomenon for RS management to mismanage popular personality departures. Harrington did it, Yawkey/O’Connell did it. Hell Harry Frazee did it. Now Henry/Lucchino do it. It’s like a Fenway tradition or something in the water at Yawkey Way.

Upon assuming ownership, it initially appeared as though it was a high priority for the Henry group to mend fences with many former players. A strong alumni office was established and players who’d had no contact with the team for years were extended olive branches. It seemed to be working for a while. Now it’s like nothing has changed at least as far as departures are concerned. It's a return to the norm.

Treating people with dignity on the way out must be a really hard thing to do for some reason.

As for Tito, he was the right guy at the right time. But his affiliative leadership style was bound to run out of steam. When you’re always a nice guy to the people you’re charged with leading, being friends with everyone is your priority, the people will continuously test boundaries and cross them until most boundaries disappear. The overly affiliative leader then loses his grip on his people. I always thought this would catch up to Tito and be his downfall. Assuming accounts of the collapse are true, it looks like this is exactly what happened. He as much as admitted he lost control of the players. It was inevitable given his leadership style.

That he had some prescription drug issues, that he had a deteriorating marriage, that he had a girlfriend as either cause or effect of the deteriorating marriage; I couldn’t care less about any of it. It’s tabloidism. The man is human. What a surprise.

Tito will always have my grace and gratitude. I can't imagine thinking otherwise.

Nicely put. I would like to add my 2 cents to the part I highlighted here. Always easier to mend someone else's fences. Reaching out to former players is really a no brainer. Whatever the issue might be, the former player is most likely always feeling as though they have been wronged, forgotten or mistreated in some way. The team (new ownership) has more stake in the present and future rather than the past. Reaching out symbolizes an acknowledgement (real or perceived) that makes everyone feel good except perhaps the former ownership/admin and that matters little as they are just that.....former. That game has now changed some with Francona and any former Sox during the reign of the current ownership group as they now have to mend their own fences. That olive branch is so much easier to extend when you're not the one who's been a party to any of the bad blood and ill will.

[Rudy Pemberton]

I think folks are missing the part were Hohler indicated he had multiple sources that reported the same things, the idea that the mean ownership leaked info hasn't been substantiated. The idea that this info cost him a job also seems exaggerated. He should be invited to the 100 year stuff, although if it's true that everyone who ever wore the uniform has been invited, how are we determining Tito wasn't?

Ultimately, I imagine time will heal all wounds. But blaming the pink hats for booing poorly performing players or whatever seems silly, that's been going on forever and not unique to Boston. When things end, they generally end badly.

At least with our new manager, weve started trashing him before he's managed a game, so it can only get better!

[Rudy Pemberton]

Also, I take issue with the idea that the Sox no longer care about alumni, specifically players who left under bad terms. Remember what they did for Nomar? Pedro? Hell, Buckner? They tried to bring Damon and Clemens back. What examples are there of important players who they haven't made overtures to recognize or mend fences with?

[Red(s)HawksFan]

I think folks are missing the part were Hohler indicated he had multiple sources that reported the same things, the idea that the mean ownership leaked info hasn't been substantiated. The idea that this info cost him a job also seems exaggerated. He should be invited to the 100 year stuff, although if it's true that everyone who ever wore the uniform has been invited, how are we determining Tito wasn't?

Ultimately, I imagine time will heal all wounds. But blaming the pink hats for booing poorly performing players or whatever seems silly, that's been going on forever and not unique to Boston. When things end, they generally end badly.

At least with our new manager, weve started trashing him before he's managed a game, so it can only get better!

We're determining that by the fact that Tito himself said he hadn't been invited. Personally, I'm hoping that there's really a "yet" that should be appended to his statement, and that he will be welcomed to the celebration with open arms. But that remains to be seen.

[LoweTek]

Also, I take issue with the idea that the Sox no longer care about alumni, specifically players who left under bad terms. Remember what they did for Nomar? Pedro? Hell, Buckner? They tried to bring Damon and Clemens back. What examples are there of important players who they haven't made overtures to recognize or mend fences with?

I wasn't saying there was. I was pointing out a sort of a conflict between making a big deal about mending fences with former players who'd been embittered and estranged largely by the way were treated on the way out and then creating the same situation themselves. And we don't need to start the discussion yet again, but Damon didn't want to come back because of the way he was treated on the way out. If he still doesn't have a job, it will actually be interesting to see if he shows up for the party.

[Reverend]

There are time to realize that, no matter how you feel about a thing, it's not about you, it's bigger than you.

I hope that ownership reaches this conclusion with respect to inviting Theo. He should be there. I think this is one of those rare cases when it really is that simple.

[EvilEmpire]

Sometimes I wish the team would have a few bad years so they’d all go away.

Well, the bad couple of years already started, but instead of going away there is just bitterness, bitching and entitlement. Sort of like the worst aspects of the Yankee fanbase when things are going south. I'm gald Torre's departure wasn't quite this bad though.

[crystalline]

That olive branch is so much easier to extend when you're not the one who's been a party to any of the bad blood and ill will.

This is exactly right.
It's hard to reach out to someone after this kind of bad blood.
But these guys -- Lucchino, Henry, etc. RUN the organization. That means they need management skills. That means that regardless of the recent dick-swinging contest and who lost (Francona), as management you have to reach out to Francona.
You know you're going to want him to be at alumni reunions in ten years -- hell, this year, so you swallow your pride, call him and make nice.

Fine, Henry is a hedge fund manager who crunches numbers and is the owner. He may never have been in a situation where he needed to manage people. But christ, that is Lucchino's JOB.

Whatever the facts were on the Hohler article, ownership should have put out a statement to the media saying they supported Francona. It could have been mild and not mention the facts - just say "Tito did a lot for this organization. We despise the character assassination that is going on in the press. We wish he could have stayed." etc. etc. Then Henry calls Francona and makes nice. Doesn't have to be 100% genuine but it will make the future relationship better.

Not returning the call(s) of your former employee means you are a terrible manager and generally at the personal level a total dickface. And people with a choice don't want to work for people like that -- in baseball or any organization.

And here is the stupid part - Tito is on national TV covering baseball. Great work, Sox ownership - way to piss off someone with a high-profile platform. The guy can poison a lot of coverage about the Sox much more effectively than the Boston press who you clearly prioritize.

Personally my opinion -- supported by PH quote above -- is that ownership was not responsible for Hohler: all the media covering the Sox knew about the stories all year and at the end of the season they didn't need to keep Tito on their good side. But ownership should have come out afterwards to support their guy.
Also - Tito and Theo both left. They are on good terms with each other, and Tito is on bad terms with Henry.
He'll never give more detail publicly, but that means that Theo isn't loving the ownership group either.

Asinine. I look forward to the future inevitable media shitshows in the future.

Edited by crystalline, 27 March 2012 - 07:52 PM.

[TFisNEXT]

I've gotten pretty sick of this ownership running smear campaigns on everyone who leaves. Some of the stuff might be true or maybe even all of it, but show some class for Christ's sake. Why they feel the need to justify their personnel changes by throwing the person under the bus is beyond me for an organization that is supposedly riddled with objectivity. Just tell everyone it was time for a change and move on. Stop with the middle school games and leaks to the press. More and more as time goes by, I understand why Theo put on the gorilla suit when dealing with these clowns.

[CaptainLaddie]

According to Gammons "everyone" who has ever worn a Sox jersey on the field has been invited for the festivities.

Uh, Roger? Damon? Cordero? Everett?

I wonder if they've been invited.

[absintheofmalaise]

I've gotten pretty sick of this ownership running smear campaigns on everyone who leaves. Some of the stuff might be true or maybe even all of it, but show some class for Christ's sake. Why they feel the need to justify their personnel changes by throwing the person under the bus is beyond me for an organization that is supposedly riddled with objectivity. Just tell everyone it was time for a change and move on. Stop with the middle school games and leaks to the press. More and more as time goes by, I understand why Theo put on the gorilla suit when dealing with these clowns.

Who did they run smear campaigns on?

[Van Everyman]

Who did they run smear campaigns on?

Grady Little.

Seriously, the one thing that has sort of surprised me about all this is how few players have praised Tito since he left. For a guy who was known as "a player's manager" (and a damned good one) you'd expect more praise -- even if some of it were couched in a "everybody leaves eventually" way. Instead, everyone but Pedey has been really lukewarm. I have no idea what that means -- but I am fairly certain it tells us that a lot more went on than we know about.

[TFisNEXT]

Who did they run smear campaigns on?

Well aside from Tito (which was more pronounced than other ones), there was Manny, Damon, Lowe, Pedro, etc...obviously with some guys like Pedro, the stuff didnt seem to hold grudges for long, but its been a pattern. I'm not saying the stuff they have said is false, it just seems to be lacking class.

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

Well aside from Tito (which was more pronounced than other ones), there was Manny, Damon, Lowe, Pedro, etc...obviously with some guys like Pedro, the stuff didnt seem to hold grudges for long, but its been a pattern. I'm not saying the stuff they have said is false, it just seems to be lacking class.

Refresh my memory. What were the "smears" against Manny, Damon, Lowe and Pedro?

[lexrageorge]

Well aside from Tito (which was more pronounced than other ones), there was Manny, Damon, Lowe, Pedro, etc...obviously with some guys like Pedro, the stuff didnt seem to hold grudges for long, but its been a pattern. I'm not saying the stuff they have said is false, it just seems to be lacking class.

This is Nick Cafardo/D&C/Mazz level of analysis.

Damon was offered a large contract by the Sox, and then took a larger contract by the Yankees. About the only "smear" was that the Sox claimed that they never had a chance to respond to the Evil Empire's offer. It was Damon who decided to shoot his mouth off about the Sox not showing him enough love.

Manny went out of his way to shoot his way out of town. His departure was self-commenting.

Lowe? Seriously? The team decided not to tender him an offer, and Lowe did say he was "hurt". A few years later, Lowe admitted in an interview with the local press that he had a serious drinking problem when he was with the Sox.

Pedro? He was offered 3 years by the Sox, 4 by the Mets. The Sox congratulated him. He said he the Mets showed him more "love"; how did that work out for the Mets?

I am by no means defending the actions of Sox ownership when it came to Tito. But the argument loses a lot of credibility when you make up stories of smear campaigns just to get on radio.

[TheoShmeo]

Grady Little.

Seriously, the one thing that has sort of surprised me about all this is how few players have praised Tito since he left. For a guy who was known as "a player's manager" (and a damned good one) you'd expect more praise -- even if some of it were couched in a "everybody leaves eventually" way. Instead, everyone but Pedey has been really lukewarm.
-- but I am fairly certain it tells us that a lot more went on than we know about.

Isn't the most logical inference that the players who didn't speak up thought there was an element of truth to what was being said about Tito? And were perhaps not altogether pleased with him or in the mood to defend him as a result? Logically, it's either that or they just didn't care enough about him to speak up which is, I guess, possible.

The whole "FO smeared Tito" mantra is, in my view, lazy thinking and overly convenient. If Tito's issues were widely known (and it's hard to believe they were not), how is that THE source was the FO? And doesn't having a manager who was asleep at the wheel and/or taking pills a poor reflection on ownership? The buck stops with Lucchino...his manager being out to lunch is something he should have been aware of and dealt with.

I'm not saying that the Trio is blameless and, of course, I have no idea who spoke to Hohler. I just think the popularly accepted notion that the leak was definitely the FO ignores some pretty big questions and is driven in large part by the desire to pin the blame on all things bad on them.

[soxfan121]

Seriously, the one thing that has sort of surprised me about all this is how few players have praised Tito since he left. For a guy who was known as "a player's manager" (and a damned good one) you'd expect more praise -- even if some of it were couched in a "everybody leaves eventually" way. Instead, everyone but Pedey has been really lukewarm. I have no idea what that means -- but I am fairly certain it tells us that a lot more went on than we know about.

Beckett's weird "I loved Terry but didn't like Tito" comment (paraphrased) also fits with the above.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Beckett has no foot to stand on in this matter as it was his behavior that was the primary cause of the cliquey chicken and beer nonsense last season.

[soxfan121]

Beckett has no foot to stand on in this matter as it was his behavior that was the primary cause of the cliquey chicken and beer nonsense last season.

Can you please issue a list of acceptable sources?

I mean, it's a discussion tangent about how few players have had positive things to say...so please, tell me oh wise SJH - whose opinions and/or public statements may I consider?

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Can you please issue a list of acceptable sources?

I mean, it's a discussion tangent about how few players have had positive things to say...so please, tell me oh wise SJH - whose opinions and/or public statements may I consider?

IMO, you can safely ignore all statements made by the apparently ringleader of the d-bags who couldn't be bothered to pay attention down the stretch last fall. When the chief troublemaker on the team grumbles that he had issues with Tito, I think we can see where the conflict lies there.

Other sources you can vet at your leisure. Frankly I'm not surprised there hasn't been much public support from the players, since most of those guys live in the here and now and since they've got a new manager whether they like it or not they might as well deal with it.

[Rocco Graziosa]

Honestly, I never thought I'd say this, but Im getting a little sick of Francona and his bellyaching at this point. It's a new season, a new year, you've got a cushy new job and, not incidentally, you're a multimillionaire. Get over it.

I mean, seriously, there was a nasty article about him in the paper. I'm sure that it hurt his feelings and no doubt the bad press was uncalled for -- but get real. Celebrities and public figures are subjected to a million times worse every freaking day. And Terry Francona is both a celebrity and a public figure, no matter how down-to-Earth or "blue collar" he seems.

And as for John Henry not calling him back, frankly, who cares? When I've left jobs under whatever circumstance, I've never expected my calls to the old boss to be immediately returned or returned at all (which is why I have rarely made them). They've moved on and hopefully, so have I.

One thing I would not do is call over and over again -- SEVEN times! That sounds more like Jon Favreau in Swingers than an accomplished Major League manager. His complaining about not getting a call from John Henry seems whiny and small to me.

Did it ever occur to Tito that maybe, just maybe, John Henry doesn't want to talk to you?

Why not? Well, he gave you the most expensive and certainly one of the most talened teams in Red Sox history and entrusted you, not to mention paid you quite handsomely to "manage" it. And you managed it, all right. Into the ground.

In any other employment situation, I'd expect a boss to be pretty damn pissed off at one of his employees who turned in that level of performance. Or is the boss supposed to remain eternally grateful for accomplishments that happened years ago? Francona was generously compensated for his service to the Red Sox. It made him wealthy and famous and led to his current employment status as one of the highest-profile baseball commentators in the world. What else does John Henry owe him? Soothing words and pat on the head?

Was anything that happened to Terry Francona so horrible that it merits this continued bitching and moaning five months after the fact?

Please.

And on top of that, what if the article was true and he WAS popping pills to the point where the team was very concerned? The more he bitches about this the more I'm inclined to think the article was true and THATS whats pissed him off the most.

That said, I agree with SJH......ownership needs to take the high road here and invite him to celebrate 100 years. He won't show up, and that will be on him, but at least they can say they tried.

[soxfan121]

Frankly I'm not surprised there hasn't been much public support from the players, since most of those guys live in the here and now and since they've got a new manager whether they like it or not they might as well deal with it.

Since he left is not "here and now". Few players have praised him since he left (in September, 2011). I'll quote it again:

Seriously, the one thing that has sort of surprised me about all this is how few players have praised Tito since he left.

More players said nice things about Grady on his way out the door. Which is WEIRD. Not a black mark on the man's character - WEIRD.

[wutang112878]

We cant do it now, but lets revisit this issue about the support Tito had after leaving once Bobby V leaves. When Tito left he didnt get much support from his players, and we dont have the exact reasons why but we can guess. I have a feeling with Bobby Vs, um personality, when he leaves will result in quotes from players [named or not named] that will be very harsh.

Considering how much attention the article got the Globe, I have to believe they tried to follow-up, to get content for future articles, with players to get quotes trashing Tito. While there werent any quotes supporting Tito, I think its also a bit telling that there really werent many quotes from players trashing the guy. Based on the lack of comments, while maybe the players didnt think he was great, couldnt we say maybe they thought he was so bad that he should be crapped on? Which after 8 years in Boston I would argue means you were pretty good overall.

Edited by wutang112878, 28 March 2012 - 01:14 PM.

[cannonball 1729]

Refresh my memory. What were the "smears" against Manny, Damon, Lowe and Pedro?

I don't remember much in the way of Damon, Pedro, and Lowe, but I certainly remember things getting ugly with Manny. There were the reported "front-office grumblings" that Manny didn't even try to swing the bat in his famous at-bat against Rivera, as well as the anecdote (of questionable veracity) that Manny couldn't remember which knee was hurting when he saw a doctor. I don't doubt that Manny shot his way out of town, but some of the leaked "stories" that floated around certainly didn't help.

Edited by cannonball 1729, 28 March 2012 - 01:27 PM.

[Van Everyman]

Isn't the most logical inference that the players who didn't speak up thought there was an element of truth to what was being said about Tito? And were perhaps not altogether pleased with him or in the mood to defend him as a result? Logically, it's either that or they just didn't care enough about him to speak up which is, I guess, possible.

Yes, this is what I was getting at. Tito conducted himself with extraordinary class in public -- and I, for one, always felt very strongly that he seemed to be not just a good manager but a good person. So after an article that was widely perceived by the media (ie, Edes, etc.) to be a smear on him, I expected the Lesters of the world to rush to his defense. And they very clearly did not -- which suggests, as you say, that either Tito's character had more blemishes than we know, the players had less character than we thought, or, as I suspect, it was all just far more complicated than we ever had been led to believe. Now that the veil of Tito Protection has been lifted and Blabbering Bobby is in charge, my guess is we'll learn a lot more about these guys in the next few months than we ever did over the last 9 years. Whether that's good for the team or not -- well, I guess we'll learn that, too.

[lexrageorge]

I don't remember much in the way of Damon, Pedro, and Lowe, but I certainly remember things getting ugly with Manny. There were the reported "front-office grumblings" that Manny didn't even try to swing the bat in his famous at-bat against Rivera, as well as the anecdote (of questionable veracity) that Manny couldn't remember which knee was hurting when he saw a doctor. I don't doubt that Manny shot his way out of town, but some of the leaked "stories" that floated around certainly didn't help.

Well, his fights with Youks (somewhat understandable) and traveling secretary McCormack (absolutely inexcusable) were actually witnessed stories, not leaked grumblings. And the fact that Manny's knee recovered the instant his plane landed at LAX does make that anecdote of questionable veracity stand up as potentially realistic.

[trekfan55]

Well, his fights with Youks (somewhat understandable) and traveling secretary McCormack (absolutely inexcusable) were actually witnessed stories, not leaked grumblings. And the fact that Manny's knee recovered the instant his plane landed at LAX does make that anecdote of questionable veracity stand up as potentially realistic.

Yeah, Manny made it hard for the team to defend him. At least he gave a good interview the previous time the Sox were rumored to be trying to trade him, and Tito ahd benched him to calm the waters (right after the "Manny's back and he's back big" moment) where he actually said: "Manny being Manny".

I love the guy, but man did he shoot his way out of town. Whether instructed by Boras or not.

No one will know what happened in that Rivera AB, but when everything unfolded and you look back at the AB, does it not at least sound believable that he kept his bat on his shoulder?

[cannonball 1729]

Well, his fights with Youks (somewhat understandable) and traveling secretary McCormack (absolutely inexcusable) were actually witnessed stories, not leaked grumblings.

I love the guy, but man did he shoot his way out of town. Whether instructed by Boras or not.

These are absolutely true but irrelevant to the question of "How did the front office act as Manny left town?"

And the fact that Manny's knee recovered the instant his plane landed at LAX does make that anecdote of questionable veracity stand up as potentially realistic.

That doesn't make it true. To my knowledge, the story has never been verified.

No one will know what happened in that Rivera AB, but when everything unfolded and you look back at the AB, does it not at least sound believable that he kept his bat on his shoulder?

"At least believable" is the standard for something you can spitball on a message board, not something that the Front Office of the Boston Red Sox should be anonymously telling Peter Gammons. The front office doesn't read minds - why on earth would they think it appropriate to leak their mind-reading to the press?

[lexrageorge]

...
"At least believable" is the standard for something you can spitball on a message board, not something that the Front Office of the Boston Red Sox should be anonymously telling Peter Gammons. The front office doesn't read minds - why on earth would they think it appropriate to leak their mind-reading to the press?

Do you have any evidence of this? Your quick to shoot down the "phony knee injury" story, even though Manny was literally jumping into the dugout at Dodger Stadium. But I've yet to see anything indicating that the bolded happen. In fact, Shank wrote about the the Rivera AB story before Manny was traded, which makes it less likely there was an intentional leak by the FO.

[soxfan121]

And we're back to Manny. I'm sure Tito would appreciate the irony of his thread being taken over by discussion of Manny.

Oh, and there's some fascinating reading on that topic in the archives. Give 'em a whirl - good times.

[cannonball 1729]

I suppose I should have said Bob Lobel instead of Peter Gammons - either way:

Lobel’s strong words didn’t stop there. He went on to allege that there was a perception that in a pinch-hit at bat at Yankee Stadium on July 6 -- more than a week after the incident with McCormick -- Ramirez took three straight called strikes to send a message to the Sox.

"The thing that most people are forgetting and haven't talked about is the strikeout in Yankee Stadium," Lobel said. "The bat on the shoulder for the three pitches from Mariano Rivera. That was a big [expletive] to the Red Sox after the fine. I'm just telling you ... there are things in the front office that are perceived ... I'm saying that there is a strong feeling that that [three-pitch strikeout] was the message to the Red Sox and it's a strong feeling that that's unacceptable ... there's a feeling that he didn't give it his all, let's put it that way ... I'm just saying the front office has not forgotten that moment. It's akin to Nomar sitting on the bench [in a game in which Derek Jeter dove into the stands at Yankee Stadium in 2004]. It's the same thing. It's an at-bat that resonated very strongly in the front office."

http://www.boston.co...t_manny_fi.html

[joyofsox]

Well, his fights with Youks (somewhat understandable) and traveling secretary McCormack (absolutely inexcusable) were actually witnessed stories, not leaked grumblings. And the fact that Manny's knee recovered the instant his plane landed at LAX does make that anecdote of questionable veracity stand up as potentially realistic.

I do not believe any media person witnessed the McCormick incident. McAdam was told about it from an anonymous source. I'd call it more leaked than witnessed, fwiw.

[Rocco Graziosa]

And we're back to Manny. I'm sure Tito would appreciate the irony of his thread being taken over by discussion of Manny.

Oh, and there's some fascinating reading on that topic in the archives. Give 'em a whirl - good times.

No shit huh? This is a man Francona once said was "the worst human being he's ever seen"

And don't think for one second Francona doesn't lurk here.

[Cumberland Blues]

No shit huh? This is a man Francona once said was "the worst human being he's ever seen"

Well, except Tito didn't say that.....

“I was taken aback by that comment,” Francona said. “I don’t doubt there were times Manny made me pull my hair out – if I had any hair. But I would never say that about anybody.”

[twothousandone]

I think folks are missing the part were Hohler indicated he had multiple sources that reported the same things, the idea that the mean ownership leaked info hasn't been substantiated.

Francona himslef commented on the claim, giving it legitmacy. It is possible it was good reporting to uncover everything that might have been a factor, and then follow up. The anonymous claim has validity if Francona doesn't say "no truth to it."

[Sprowl]

And don't think for one second Francona doesn't lurk here.

OK Tito, now that you're just another paid media type, remember the ground rules: if you read it here first, then tip the hat to SoSH.


PS, we still love you.

[Marbleheader]

Thought it was interesting in a radio interview this afternoon to hear Tito speak pretty candidly about ownership. I'll post a link once it's up, but it was something along the lines that he doesn't talk to them because they don't return his calls. Reminded me of this thread, as it's apparently been an ongoing problem, which is petty of them. He's apparently asked them to do some things and they broke some promises to him. Other things I caught were that he would have pushed to leave Bard in the pen, thought moving Youk was good for both sides, and that he changed his mind about attending the 100th after it became a 'story' that he wasn't coming, and he didn't want to detract from the event.

[Al Zarilla]

...he changed his mind about attending the 100th after it became a 'story' that he wasn't coming, and he didn't want to detract from the event.

Sounds like him. Conversely, I don't imagine Valentine in a similar situation worrying about being a distraction.

[Kid T]

He's apparently asked them to do some things and they broke some promises to him.

IIRC, he had previously asked them (and received a promise from ownership) to track down the source of leaks for the the article that disclosed his marital issues and prescription pain killer medication.

[Marbleheader]

Here's the audio link: http://audio.weei.co...rn-my-calls.htm

[derF]

Tito's getting the cold shoulder treatment: http://hardballtalk....-calls/related/

[Harry Hooper]

IIRC, he had previously asked them (and received a promise from ownership) to track down the source of leaks for the the article that disclosed his marital issues and prescription pain killer medication.

Seems like this is exactly what Tito is referring to.

[TomRicardo]

IIRC, he had previously asked them (and received a promise from ownership) to track down the source of leaks for the the article that disclosed his marital issues and prescription pain killer medication.

Lucchino is using the same methods that OJ is using to find the real killers.

[fineyoungarm]

IIRC, he had previously asked them (and received a promise from ownership) to track down the source of leaks for the the article that disclosed his marital issues and prescription pain killer medication.

If that is at the heart of this and he will have not rest until the case is cracked, Tito should pick up the phone and make a few calls himself (as he may have done). The first call should be to the beer and chicken snitch. The second, third, etc. to the snitchees. Those, of course, are the prime suspects.