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[Montana Fan]

I assume Zomp has been waiting for me to start this thread since he liked the 2011 version so well.

The offseason has been interesting so far, no key losses and one pick up that I think could be pretty big.

The losses of Aaron Ross, Brandon Jacobs and Mario Manningham all hurt the team but none are the top player at their positions and should be fairly easy to replace.

The big add is Martellus Bennett. He's been underachieving down in Dallas. Hopefully he'll cut in on Victor Cruz and glue himself to Eli's side this pre-season. Jason Witten has some thoughts about this pickup. http://www.nj.com/gi...04/post_26.html


Date Position Player Transaction 4/3 S Stevie Brown signed UFA from Colts 3/28 WR Devin Thomas UFA signed by Bears 3/22 WR Mario Manningham UFA signed by 49ers 3/22 QB David Carr re-signed UFA 3/21 CB Aaron Ross UFA signed by Jaguars 3/19 P Steve Weatherford re-signed UFA 3/15 S Chris Horton signed as a free agent 3/14 TE Martellus Bennett signed UFA from Cowboys 3/13 CB Terrell Thomas re-signed UFA 3/13 CB Justin Tryon re-signed UFA 3/13 CB Michael Coe re-signed UFA 3/13 TE Larry Donnell signed as a free agent 3/13 OT Joel Reinders signed as a free agent 3/9 HB Brandon Jacobs contract terminated 3/? TE Jake Ballard re-signed ERFA 3/? CB Bruce Johnson re-signed RFA 3/5 P Steve Weatherford designated Franchise Tag 3/2 WR Domenik Hixon re-signed UFA

[Montana Fan]

The Giant's 2012 schedule is brutal. Besides the division they have the Packers, Saints & Steelers at home and the 49'ers, Falcons & Ravens on the road. The "easy" games are Cleveland & Tampa Bay at home and the Panthers and Bengals on the road. And I expect improvement from the latter two teams.

• Home: Cowboys, Eagles, Redskins, Packers, Saints, Buccaneers, Browns, Steelers

• Away: Cowboys, Eagles, Redskins, 49ers, Falcons, Panthers, Ravens, Bengals

[Montana Fan]

SoSH's excitement surrounding the champ's draft is immeasurable.

In keeping with their philosophy they drafted a number of guys who can contribute a bit this year or are projects for a year or two down the road. The TE from Cincy being example #1 of the guy that they're looking to develop over the next year are so who likely won't contribute much in 2012.

Here's a link to a Francessa interview with Jerry Reese recapping the draft.
http://newyork.cbslo...ges&dcid=CBS.NY

[Montana Fan]

Keeping up with the champs. All draft picks signed.

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/

[Montana Fan]

Edited by Montana Fan, 26 May 2012 - 08:11 AM.

[Mystic Merlin]

I wish the seven plagues upon you.

[Montana Fan]

I wish the seven plagues upon you.

Then I guess you probably won't tell me how the hell to embed a You Tube video on this new board will you?

edit: Thanks!

Edited by Montana Fan, 27 May 2012 - 09:57 AM.

[Zomp]

Nicks having surgery on a broken foot. Could miss the first game of the season if the healing process is delayed.

[RedOctober3829]

Nicks having surgery on a broken foot. Could miss the first game of the season if the healing process is delayed.

It's the same injury that Amukamara had last year. He hurt it in the beginning of August and wasn't back until late November.

[Montana Fan]

One person familiar with WR Hakeem Nicks' fractured foot said it was more like a "4- to 6-week" injury. Opener vs Dallas still in play.
https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter

Doubt the good Dr. DRS will visit this thread but I've read anywhere from 6-12 weeks to heal up from this injury. I guess the young guys will play a lot of snaps during the preseason.

[Montana Fan]

Oh, and watch that video I linked. Inspirational stuff...

[Mystic Merlin]

Then I guess you probably won't tell me how the hell to embed a You Tube video on this new board will you?

https://www.youtube....h?v=XWvf7XGDUVw

I don't know, I hit the 'Share' button under the video, copy the hyperlink, and just paste it into the window. When I hit post, the hyperlink automatically embeds, without fail - I'm not sure if my browser (Chrome) is the reason, but I've never had to manually input code or anything.

[Montana Fan]

Tom Coughlin to President Obama, "we both have the same goal, to get back here next year".

Edited by Montana Fan, 09 June 2012 - 12:28 PM.

[RedOctober3829]

Ralph Vacchiano of the NY Post had this to say about Terrell Thomas.

Terrell Thomas has a swollen knee, was sent to the Hospital for Special Surgery for tests. Coughlin sounds worried.

https://twitter.com/...025762957316096

[Reverend]

Tom Coughlin to President Obama, "we both have the same goal, to get back here next year".

It would be difficult to overstate just how much Sean Berry could learn from you.

Goddamn.

Congratulations again. You fuckerhead.

[Zomp]

Thanks!

[BigSoxFan]

How's Herzlich looking?

[Reverend]

Thanks!

Oh shut up.

[RedOctober3829]

.@Giants announce that Shaun Rogers has blood clot in his lower leg, while Martin Parker has herniated disc in his back - both terrible news

@AndrewSantillo

@judybattista also reports that Marvin Austin is back in NYC to get his back checked out.

[RedOctober3829]

Coughlin says Shaun Rogers' blood clot is a season ending injury

https://twitter.com/...457773930938368

[KiltedFool]

Not a Giants fan, but that's a bummer. Doesn't help that blood clots in your leg hurt like a bastard and tend to compromise the valves in your veins, giving you a purple heel.

[Montana Fan]

Hoping to see the Giants go Nascar on Romo Weds night. That's when Fewell puts all of Osi, JPP, Tuck and Kiwanuka on the field at the same time.

It sounds to me like many are predicting this iteration of the Giants to be more similar to the regular season team than the postseason team. Peter King doen't even have them making the playoffs.

While their O-line, running backs and cornerbacks are all somewhat suspect I still see the makings of an above average regular season team with their outstanding front 7, QB and wideouts.

I'm expecting 10 or 11 wins this season. Yammer, if you're out there do you want to put 50 or 100 on regular season finish?

[abty]

Eager to see how many great young players we lose again this year and how the 2nd half turns out after a great first half. Every season (or so it seems, please note I am being somewhat sarcastic) is the same season except for how a few bounces go. Last year, Romo misses his WR and we win the game and aren't eliminated from the post-season race. The year before, we are 8 minutes away from beating the Eagles and setting up for a #2 pick. Instead, they blow it and the Packers get in as the 6th seed and the rest is history. Great first half, awful 2nd half where we need a break or two...

This is a team that is impossible to predict but I figure it's safe to say they will have more secondary issues that we saw last year (since our team refuses to ever make secondary a priority as they live off the rush) and I can see one of our young WR's getting hurt because it's a proud tradition with the Giants. With that said, Eli + this offense and pass rush should lead to a 10-6 season. A very tough schedule, again, but a team that knows how to win should balance out just fine. As for today's game, I can see the Cowboys winning, having another season of hearing how great they are, just for them to bomb later in the 2nd half again. I am not concerned one way or another about this game other than wanting to see Jerry Jones face. In that sense, I hope the Giants kick their ass and run away with a great season, ala 2008, without a stud WR shooting themselves in the foot. Of course, with the schedule and all of the teams that want to knock the Giants on their ass, I don't see that happening.

Let's see what happens...

Edited by abty, 05 September 2012 - 08:13 AM.

[Zomp]

I also think 10 wins is a good under/over number.

I actually think we'll win quite comfortably tonight. Another brutal schedule, but hey, thats football.

Disappointing that Prince is out though.

[Rick Burlesons Yam Bag]

Hoping to see the Giants go Nascar on Romo Weds night. That's when Fewell puts all of Osi, JPP, Tuck and Kiwanuka on the field at the same time. It sounds to me like many are predicting this iteration of the Giants to be more similar to the regular season team than the postseason team. Peter King doen't even have them making the playoffs. While their O-line, running backs and cornerbacks are all somewhat suspect I still see the makings of an above average regular season team with their outstanding front 7, QB and wideouts. I'm expecting 10 or 11 wins this season. Yammer, if you're out there do you want to put 50 or 100 on regular season finish?

Sure, I'm in for $100 again!

[Montana Fan]

Excellent.

You are welcome to post your Eagles foibles in this thread...as long as the Giants are ahead of them in the standings.

[Montana Fan]

Well, it's nice to be 2-1.

Everyone has been talking about Andre Brown being cut 7 or 8 times but Barden and he were the 3rd and 4th round picks of the Giants in 2009. He looked impressive during preseason in 09 but was injured and never had any success with NYG, until now. Sort of like Barden but he went a much more roundabout route. Once again Jerry Reese, the best GM that noone talks about, demonstrates his drafting ability.

If Barden can build on his great performance the Giants have potentially the best group of outside receivers in the league. Hicks, Barden and Randle are all cut from the same mold. Big targets, with good hands.

And how about Eli in his prime? He and this balanced team are fun to follow.

[bowiac]

Everyone has been talking about Andre Brown being cut 7 or 8 times but Barden and he were the 3rd and 4th round picks of the Giants in 2009. He looked impressive during preseason in 09 but was injured and never had any success with NYG, until now. Sort of like Barden but he went a much more roundabout route. Once again Jerry Reese, the best GM that noone talks about, demonstrates his drafting ability.

I'm not a Giants fan, but all my friends are, and pretty much all of them want to strangle Reese for taking Wilson in the first round. It's hard to give him all that much credit for his drafting ability coming off that pick. To be clear, I say that about anyone who wastes a first round pick on a running back.

[Montana Fan]

That remains to be seen. I thought he was drafted to be a 3rd down back which, as your buddies note, is a waste of a first round pick. He is lightning quick.

[Zomp]

Is it me, or is our schedule...like...historically hard this year?

We may have a decent team but I wouldn't be shocked with 8-8 or 9-7.

[Montana Fan]

I'm sure you'd agree that the Super Bowl champs shpuld play the toughest schedule.

My biggest fear in playing an out of division schedule that includes Green Bay, Baltimore, Atlanta, New Orleans, Cincy, San Fran and Pittsburgh, is how it will beat this team up. They are real deep but it will be tough to come out of that lineup unscathed or lightly scathed. I like the timing of their bye, week 11, this year. They'll need it after a tough run of games and facing more.

Looking forward to the Eagles matchup next week. The Giants didn't play terrible in the loss to Dallas. At Philly will be a good test. 31-27 Giants.

[abty]

The Giants always seem to struggle (you know what I mean) against mobile QB's but vick has been sloppy. A perfect chance to put them to bed and get a 3-1 record. I just always worry about Eagles games more so than I am worried about the 49'ers and Green Bay. The Eagles, even if they are players in wheelchairs, always find ways to give our team fits.

[phragle]

Hey guys

[StuckOnYouk]

Watching the game today and watching some of the games over the past month, putting up 50 on Green Bay and New Orleans.....it's amazing this team isn't in the playoffs. Talk about the ultimate jekyl and hyde team this year.

The Hakeem Nicks injury that started in the preseason was an absolute killer. He was one of the top WR before the injury and this year did jack squat. I'm hoping if there's a surgical procedure to get done, it's done within one week. Don't bother waiting until February.

[dcmissle]

They didn't show up in 3 road losses to playoff teams -- at Cincy, Atl and Bal. Just wiped out in those games, and that's what cost them.

[RedOctober3829]

Just wait--they will flip the switch soon.

[soxfan121]

Peter King doen't even have them making the playoffs.

Suck it, Leather.

[mpx42]

Can probably edit the title soon.

[TheoShmeo]

Only 23 minutes left in Giants Elimination Day. I' m already nostalgic.

[Nick Kaufman]

Fuck em. Epically lucky team of the decade is what they are.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Fuck em. Epically lucky team of the decade is what they are.

I dunno about that, the 2001 Pats probably have a bit of a claim to that title.

[TheoShmeo]

I dunno about that, the 2001 Pats probably have a bit of a claim to that title.

No question, but the Pats' consistent dominance -- with the exception of the very next season -- since then makes their accomplishments look markedly different than a team that won 10 and 9 regular season games on the way to their titles and otherwise wasn't much of a force. They got their rings, fair and square, and the thoughts of Pats fans of course wont diminish their fans' enjoyment of them. But from my perch, the Giants' two title run isn't nearly as impressive as that of other more consistently punishing teams over the years.

From a purely Pats fan perspective, I can't decide whether the Giants' mediocrity this season makes losing to them in Indy easier to deal with or all the more galling. It's a little of both for me.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Meh, as much as those two SBs sucked I'm not gonna take anything away from the Giants' runs. They played better. They caught some breaks, but every team catches some breaks.

I'm a bit relieved the Giants aren't in this year, because if the Pats should make the SB (no easy task) and face them again I'm not convinced they'd win. The Giants are a bad, bad matchup for the Pats because the OL can't handle Tuck and pals.

[TheoShmeo]

Meh, as much as those two SBs sucked I'm not gonna take anything away from the Giants' runs. They played better. They caught some breaks, but every team catches some breaks.

I'm a bit relieved the Giants aren't in this year, because if the Pats should make the SB (no easy task) and face them again I'm not convinced they'd win. The Giants are a bad, bad matchup for the Pats because the OL can't handle Tuck and pals.

That bolded part sounds a bit PC to me. The Giants simply weren't the dominant team that many SB champs, especially multiple champs, were. They were tough MFs that got hot at the right time and, as you said, were a very bad match-ups for the Pats.

Not every champion is sports is like 1986 Celtics or Bears. Some are more like the 2006 Cardinals or 2012 Giants, to mix sports metaphors. To me, the Giants of this era are more like the latter, not that I'm calling them flukes or anything of the sort. They took it to my team but good. I just don't view them like some of the Steelers SB teams or even the Pats of 2003 and 2004, and I regard the BB/Brady Era Pats' as a more accomplished, impressive team given their overall record.

But yeah, I am more than a little relieved they are gone. If the Pats make it to New Orleans, it will be nice to have a someone other than that front four (plus back-ups) across the field. And if I go, it will be nice not to have to deal with native NYers in NO!

[Old Fart Tree]

Man, those grapes are sour. They won, we didn't. It is what it is.

[Nick Kaufman]

I dunno about that, the 2001 Pats probably have a bit of a claim to that title.

In 2001, the Pats were lucky and probably not the best team in football. Perhaps you can make the argument they weren't the best team in either of the other couple of superballs they won, I have no clue. I guess that's more than balanced out from losing in 2007 when they were historically and above and beyond the best team.

I don't buy the "they played better" thing. I don't know much about football, but I have a solid enough grasp of statistics to understand regression to the mean and random variance. The Giants got hot when it counted. The NFL's system is meant to introduce variance in the mix so as to make the league more exciting. It is not meant to weed out the best team and crown it the champion. The Giants weren't the best team in football in either of the years they won. Much closer to 5th or 6th best team than 1st. Unfortunately, we humans tend to assign statistical capriciousness with intangible positives, like heart and passion and so forth.

The fact remains. The Giants were lucky beyond belief. Over the long run, this will balance out. But the long run is probably longer than several human lifespans....

[Zomp]

That bolded part sounds a bit PC to me. The Giants simply weren't the dominant team that many SB champs, especially multiple champs, were. They were tough MFs that got hot at the right time and, as you said, were a very bad match-ups for the Pats.

Not every champion is sports is like 1986 Celtics or Bears. Some are more like the 2006 Cardinals or 2012 Giants, to mix sports metaphors. To me, the Giants of this era are more like the latter, not that I'm calling them flukes or anything of the sort. They took it to my team but good. I just don't view them like some of the Steelers SB teams or even the Pats of 2003 and 2004, and I regard the BB/Brady Era Pats' as a more accomplished, impressive team given their overall record.

But yeah, I am more than a little relieved they are gone. If the Pats make it to New Orleans, it will be nice to have a someone other than that front four (plus back-ups) across the field. And if I go, it will be nice not to have to deal with native NYers in NO!

Look, they won 2. They were deserving champions because...they won the games. Once they took out a historically good team, once they took out a very, very good team. Whats the saying? To be the best, you gotta beat the best. Each time they took out the best.

If the point of your post was to say, "Well, hey! They weren't as good as the Patriots team who won it!" Then fine. You win. Not sure at what though...

In 2001, the Pats were lucky and probably not the best team in football. Perhaps you can make the argument they weren't the best team in either of the other couple of superballs they won, I have no clue. I guess that's more than balanced out from losing in 2007 when they were historically and above and beyond the best team.

I don't buy the "they played better" thing. I don't know much about football, but I have a solid enough grasp of statistics to understand regression to the mean and random variance. The Giants got hot when it counted. The NFL's system is meant to introduce variance in the mix so as to make the league more exciting. It is not meant to weed out the best team and crown it the champion. The Giants weren't the best team in football in either of the years they won. Much closer to 5th or 6th best team than 1st. Unfortunately, we humans tend to assign statistical capriciousness with intangible positives, like heart and passion and so forth.

The fact remains. The Giants were lucky beyond belief. Over the long run, this will balance out. But the long run is probably longer than several human lifespans....

I'll take being the 5th or 6th best and a ring, then being the best and going home with nothing. That goes for any year. To discredit any champion because over the course of a season they weren't "the best" team is silly.

[Montana Fan]

I guess we could change the name to "Defending the Champs".

And Zomp, don't sweat Nick K, he's probably still celebrating the Red Sox being in first place for more days than the Yankees in 2001.

[dcmissle]

I'll take being the 5th or 6th best and a ring, then being the best and going home with nothing. That goes for any year. To discredit any champion because over the course of a season they weren't "the best" team is silly.

And it goes for EVERY year. I'd rather be the Marlins than the Braves. I'd also rather be the NYG than the Eagles.

Mike Musinelli said on the NFLN this morning that Andy Reid's tenure was good not great, that Reid will not loom as an historically great figure in Philly sports. And he is right. No rings, and 14 years is more than a sufficent "sample size".

[Oil Can Dan]

I can't believe the Giants missed the playoffs this season. I know the defense left a lot to be desired at times, but I'm putting the failure primarily on the offense. I completely underestimated the importance of a healthy #88 on the offense. When he's healthy, defenses can't defend him and Cruz. But when he's not, then Cruz can be covered and there goes the offense.

Were I GM I'm really not sure what I'd focus on now. Corey Webster isn't Corey Webster anymore and we need help at CB. And the DL needs help - I think Tuck is done and Osi may be a specialist that they can't afford to keep. And I would definitely make resigning the Black Unicorn a high priority.