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4/6: Sabathia vs. Shields


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#301 SpruceTrap

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:54 PM

This is idiotic against Pena. He's either going to hit a fly ball or strike out.


Truth.

#302 BannedbyNYYFans.com

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:54 PM

Hehe, the 107 RS users reading this topic are about to be severely disappointed.


Not so much.

#303 Meff Nelton

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:54 PM

Worst season ever so far.

#304 mikeot

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:54 PM

Pena'ed!

#305 Sprowl


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:54 PM

Carlos Peña kills the Yankees for opening day.

#306 derekson

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

Girardi's postgame press conference should be fun.

#307 Saby

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

Gardner should have at least made an attempt, would have helped Mo's WHIP.

#308 jon abbey


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

There we go. It's almost like leaving the bases loaded time after time after time hurts a team.

#309 ngruz25


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

Walk-off walk isn't good enough, Rodriguez? You have to try to hit a grand slam on Ball 4?

That was a benchable swing. He swung out of his shoes on a pitch at his hands.

Oh well, doesn't matter!

#310 E5 Yaz


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

Hehe, the 107 RS users reading this topic are about to be severely disappointed.


True, the Rays are primed for a huge year

#311 SpruceTrap

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

Hehe, the 107 RS users reading this topic are about to be severely disappointed.


Totally heartbroken over the Rays being a game up in the division race.

#312 Wingack


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:56 PM

Oh baseball

#313 SpruceTrap

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:57 PM

This was even more enjoyable than the Red Sox opener was disappointing. How often do you see Sabathia get lit up and Mo blow a save?

#314 Sprowl


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:57 PM

Wow, we are in for such a season of overmanaging in the AL East.

Amen. It will be sooooo annoying.


Truly. Those thousand platoon switches will be the advertisers' delight, and Joe West's despair.

Hehe, the 107 RS users reading this topic are about to be severely disappointed.


:rolleyes:

#315 DeJesus Built My Hotrod


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 05:58 PM

I know its not even a true sample but they worked Mo there. Jennings, Zobrist and Pena all got good swings off him. Maybe he's human after all (now watch him reel off 107 scoreless innings).

#316 Saby

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:03 PM

Argh, at least their bullpen is nicely worked. Should win the series if Price or Hellickson can't go deep.

#317 SemperFidelisSox


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:05 PM

Ha. Piniella is a disaster. His ear piece just popped out while he was talking on the post game.

#318 InsideTheParker


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:06 PM

I disagree with those who were saying earlier in the thread that the Rays are over-rated. I would rather agree, alas.

#319 Foulkey Reese


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:07 PM

So that was awesome.

#320 cheekydave

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:09 PM

So that was awesome.

Like he said x 1,000,000,000,000.00

#321 Sprowl


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:09 PM

So that was awesome.


Best opening day of the 2012 season!

#322 Foulkey Reese


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:13 PM

And JA is right, there's going to be some insanely frustrating over-managing in the AL East this season.

#323 DukeSox


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:14 PM

This will be the year Mo loses it!

/joke

not a joke.

#324 cheekydave

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:17 PM

M. Rivera (L, 0-1; BS, 1 0.1 3 2 2 2 1 0 15.00 54.00


Couldn't resist posting this, in one fell swoop, a blown save and a loss, also a 54.00 ERA and 15.00 WHIP.

Didn't know that was even possible if Papelbon had done that this place would have melted down.

Now he won't give up a run all year.

#325 SpruceTrap

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:26 PM

not a joke.


In all seriousness, he did look more hittable at times last year than I can ever remember, but he gets such a huge strike zone that regardless of his stuff if he can locate pitches 3 inches of the plate he can be successful. When he'll eventually lose it is when he can no longer locate his pitches 3 inches off the plate and hitters are able to take hacks against pitches that are over the plate. Not that I'm saying that will happen this year.

Edited by SpruceTrap, 06 April 2012 - 06:27 PM.


#326 SpruceTrap

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:32 PM

According to Beyond the Box Score, Mo had the largest strike zone in baseball from 2008-2010. They calculated that it was in fact so large that it saved Mo and the Yankees 1.61 runs every 9 innings. That would be a difference of a 1.91 ERA or a 3.52 ERA.

http://www.beyondthe...d-the-wide-zone

#327 Sampo Gida

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:35 PM

Mo's cutter was not cutting much today, if at all. He actually would have walked Rodriguez with the bases loaded on 3-1 but the moron swung at it before striking out.

#328 jon abbey


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:58 PM

According to Beyond the Box Score, Mo had the largest strike zone in baseball from 2008-2010. They calculated that it was in fact so large that it saved Mo and the Yankees 1.61 runs every 9 innings. That would be a difference of a 1.91 ERA or a 3.52 ERA.

http://www.beyondthe...d-the-wide-zone


That piece is from before the 2011 season (as you kind of said), but it's worth noting because I don't think he got nearly as many calls last year. Possibly the umps were cautioned by the league?

Anyway, strange day all around in that joke of a ballpark.

#329 Sprowl


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:00 PM

Mo's cutter was not cutting much today, if at all. He actually would have walked Rodriguez with the bases loaded on 3-1 but the moron swung at it before striking out.


He was also throwing more fastballs than usual. I agree that he didn't get the usual bite on his cutter, and the ball was staying high in the zone.

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#330 SpruceTrap

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:21 PM

That piece is from before the 2011 season (as you kind of said), but it's worth noting because I don't think he got nearly as many calls last year. Possibly the umps were cautioned by the league?

Anyway, strange day all around in that joke of a ballpark.


I most definitely pointed out that the study was from before 2011 and I disagree that 2011 was any different. From my personal observations, Mo got his typical large strike zone and from an objective perspective it doesn't make any sense why umpires would normalize Mo's strike zone in 2011 after giving him the largest strike zone in baseball the previous three years.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:39 PM

According to fangraphs, Mo threw 40% of his pitches for strikes in 2011 (lowest since they tracked it in 2002 and 10% lower than his average since that time) yet his walk rate was 1.17, the second lowest of his career over that same time span and 0.87 below what he's averaged. 2011 may represent the most generous strike zone he's ever gotten.

#332 jon abbey


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:52 PM

According to fangraphs, Mo threw 40% of his pitches for strikes in 2011


Where exactly on fangraphs are you getting this? I see 915 pitches, 641 strikes and 274 balls for the season. I know that's not what you're referencing, but I also know you're not trying to tell me the umps called 1/3 of his pitches for strikes unfairly (40% of 915=366 pitches, 641-366=275 pitches that should have been balls, with some room for error with foul balls or swings at bad pitches or whatever).

#333 jon abbey


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:00 PM

Pitch FX data should have a much simpler number, the number of pitches called strikes over the course of the season that weren't in the strike zone, but I don't see anything like that in the Fangraphs PitchFX section (I'm sure I'm just missing it).

#334 SpruceTrap

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:08 PM

Where exactly on fangraphs are you getting this? I see 915 pitches, 641 strikes and 274 balls for the season. I know that's not what you're referencing, but I also know you're not trying to tell me the umps called 1/3 of his pitches for strikes unfairly (40% of 915=366 pitches, 641-366=275 pitches that should have been balls, with some room for error with foul balls or swings at bad pitches or whatever).


Go to Mariano Rivera's fangraph's page, scroll down the Plate Discipline and look at his Zone%, which is the percentage of pitches he threw in the strike zone.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:12 PM

Go to Mariano Rivera's fangraph's page, scroll down the Plate Discipline and look at his Zone%, which is the percentage of pitches he threw in the strike zone.


OK, that says 47.6%, higher than any of the previous four years (the only ones listed).

Edit: I'm looking at the PITCHf/x Plate Discipline, not the Plate Discipline above that, but shouldn't we be using the PITCHf/x one?

#336 SpruceTrap

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:22 PM

Pitchfx counts foul balls, swinging strikes at pitches out of the zone as pitches in the strike zone.

Edited by SpruceTrap, 06 April 2012 - 08:23 PM.


#337 jon abbey


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:25 PM

Pitchfx counts foul balls, swinging strikes at pitches out of the zone as pitches in the strike zone.


That can't be right, because as I said earlier, his actual numbers for the year were 915 pitches, 641 strikes and 274 balls, 70 percent strikes.

#338 SpruceTrap

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:33 PM

That can't be right, because as I said earlier, his actual numbers for the year were 915 pitches, 641 strikes and 274 balls, 70 percent strikes.


Why's that? If he averaged what he averaged from 2008-2010 (30.19 strikes per 250 pitches) that would mean he was granted 110.49 extra strikes over those 915 pitches. That would mean 12% of his pitches were foul balls, swings and misses out of the zone, which seems like a perfectly reasonable number.

Edited by SpruceTrap, 06 April 2012 - 08:33 PM.


#339 jon abbey


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:47 PM

Either your numbers are way off or I'm just confused or both, but either way, I'm dropping this for now as I have actual work to do. :)

#340 jon abbey


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Posted 07 April 2012 - 02:10 AM

OK, looking more closely at that link:

http://www.beyondthe...d-the-wide-zone

What they actually say is that Rivera got an average of ten favorable calls PER YEAR, 30.19 total over a three year sample of 1404 called pitches (not total pitches), not 30.19 per 250 pitches. Since he pitched in 191 games over those three years, what is under discussion is just under one missed call for every six appearances. He faced 746 total batters, so just over one missed call for every fifteen batters.