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[Freddy Linn]

Welcome to the 2012 Masters Pool. I have given a lot of thought to the format, and I am beginning the thread early to accommodate any suggestions for alterations. Many thanks to RedOctober3829 for offering to calculate the daily standings and final results.

Rules:

1. Pick according to the below groupings.
2. Scoring is aggregate in relation to par.
3. Best 5 scores count, bottom 3 dropped.
4. If you don't have 5 of 8 make the cut, you are out. This isn't necessarily easy but should provide some mockery and shame.
5. Tiebreaker #1 - pick the winning score.
6. Tiebreaker #2 - average score for top 5 qualifiers on Sunday [you don't need to do anything here].
7. For fun, pick among these older Masters champions to perform the best and worst (Stadler, Mize, Woosnam, Lyle, Crenshaw).

Group A (Select 2)

Tiger Woods
Phil Mickelson
Lee Westwood
Luke Donald
Rory McIlroy

Group B (Select 2)

Martin Kaymer
Steve Stricker
Justin Rose
Matt Kuchar
Keegan Bradley
Dustin Johnson
Hunter Mahan
Charl Schwartzel
Adam Scott
Nick Watney
Graeme McDowell

Group C (Select 4)

Webb Simpson
Ian Poulter
Bubba Watson
Francesco Molinari
Robert Karlsson
Jim Furyk
Miguel Angel Jimenez
Alvaro Quiros
Tim Clark
Louis Oosthuizen
Edoardo Molinari
Geoff Ogilvy
Y. E. Yang
Rickie Fowler
Kyung-Tae Kim
Zach Johnson
Peter Hanson
Padraig Harrington
Jason Day
Ross Fisher
Ryo Ishikawa
Johnson Wagner
K. J. Choi
Sergio Garcia
Bill Haas
Martin Laird
Bo Van Pelt
Paul Casey
Mark Wilson
Aaron Baddeley
Jonathan Byrd
Angel Cabrera
Stewart Cink
Fred Couples
Ben Crenshaw
Lucas Glover
Trevor Immelman
Bernhard Langer
Sandy Lyle
Larry Mize
Kevin Na
Sean O'Hair
Jose Maria Olazabal
Darren Clarke
Mark O'Meara
Ryan Palmer
Rory Sabbatini
Vijay Singh
Brandt Snedeker
Craig Stadler
Henrik Stenson
David Toms
Tom Watson
Mike Weir
Gary Woodland
Ian Woosnam
Robert Garrigus
Harrison Frazar
Simon Dyson
Jason Dufner
Gonzalo F-Castano
Kevin Chappell
Patrick Cantlay
Thomas Bjorn
Sang-moon Bae
Anders Hansen
Charles Howell III
Fredrik Jacobson
John Senden
Scott Stallings
Brendan Steele
Scott Verplank
Chez Reavie
Kyle Stanley


Official World Golf Rankings

Congrats to bostonbeerbelly, Dgilpin, Average Reds, and Worst Trade Evah, the winners of the previous contests.


Edit: fixed tiebreakers

Edited by Freddy Linn, 01 April 2012 - 12:01 PM.

[FL4WL3SS]

Group A:
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B:
Justin Rose
Adam Scott

Group C:
Jason Day
Sergio Garcia
Bill Haas
Angel Cabrera

Sandy Lyle

*All picks subject to change.

[Freddy Linn]

Group A:

Tiger Woods
Phil Mickelson

Group B:

Hunter Mahan
Nick Watney

Group C:

Jim Furyk
K.J. Choi
Angel Cabrera
Geoff Ogilvy


Tiebreaker #2: -13 (275)

Best Old Guy: Larry Mize
Worst Old Guy: Ian Woosnam

Edited by Freddy Linn, 31 March 2012 - 06:27 PM.

[LogansDad]

Group A:
Tiger Woods
Luke Donald

Group B:
Justin Rose
Dustin Johnson

Group C:
Jim Furyk
Aaron Baddeley
Jason Day
Fred Couples

Tiebreaker #2: -7 (281)

Old Guys: Woosnam, Mize, Lyle Crenshaw, Stadler

[RedOctober3829]

Changes must be in bold

Group A:
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B:
Justin Rose
Adam Scott

Group C:
Jason Day
Sergio Garcia
Bill Haas
Angel Cabrera

Sandy Lyle

*All picks subject to change.

Changes must be made in a separate post and in bold so I see them.

[4 6 3 DP]

Rory
Donald
Scott
Rose
Jiminez
Clark
Cabrera
Poulter

[Infield Infidel]

Woods/Mickleson
McDowell/Schwartzel
Angel Jimenez/Cabrera/Immelman/Choi

Crenshaw

Tiebreaker: -10

Edited by Infield Infidel, 01 April 2012 - 06:23 AM.

[johnmd20]

My picks.

Group A (Select 2)

Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B (Select 2)

Justin Rose
Graeme McDowell

Group C (Select 4)

Bubba Watson
Louis Oosthuizen
Jason Day Ricky Fowler
Ryo Ishikawa

Tiebreaker #1: -6

Old guy best: Lyle
Old guy worst: Crenshaw

Edit - removed Day, entered Fowler

Edited by johnmd20, 04 April 2012 - 03:16 PM.

[bostonbeerbelly]

My picks.

Group A (Select 2)

Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B (Select 2)

Steve Stricker
Hunter Mahan

Group C (Select 4)

Bubba Watson
K.J. Choi
Jason Day
Sergio Garcia

Winning Score: -11

Old guy best: Woosnam
Old guy worst: Stadler

[DrewDawg]

Tiebreaker #1: -5
Tiebreaker #2: -13

Maybe I'm still tired from the last few nights, but if tiebreak #1 is the winning score, how can tiebreak #2, which is average score of top 5, be better?

[DrewDawg]

PIcks:

Group A:
Tiger
McIlroy

Group B:
K. Bradley
G. McDowell

Group C:
Baddeley
Poulter
Choi
Van Pelt

Tiebreaker #1: -10

EDIT: Removed second tiebreaker.

Edited by DrewDawg, 04 April 2012 - 06:30 PM.

[Freddy Linn]

Tiebreaker #1: -5
Tiebreaker #2: -13

PIcks:

Tiebreaker #1: -10
Tiebreaker #2: -7

I should have been more clear with respect to the tiebreakers. You are guessing the final winners score for tiebreaker #1. If two people have the same points and the same tiebreaker, than tiebreaker #2 is the average Sunday score of their 5 qualifiers. There is nothing to guess there.

So, all you need to do is:

1. Pick your 8 players
2. Pick a winning score

and...

3. If you make any changes you are responsible for putting them in bold in a separate post to make RedOctober's job easier.

[cshea]

Group A

Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B

Graeme McDowell
Justin Rose

Group C

Angel Cabrera
Jim Furyk
Rickie Fowler
K.J. Choi

Tiebreaker: -11

[Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat]

Group A (Select 2)

Phil Mickelson
Rory McIlroy

Group B (Select 2)

Hunter Mahan
Charl Schwartzel


Group C (Select 4)

Bubba Watson
Jason Day
K. J. Choi
Thomas Bjorn


Winning score -10

[DrewDawg]

I should have been more clear with respect to the tiebreakers. You are guessing the final winners score for tiebreaker #1. If two people have the same points and the same tiebreaker, than tiebreaker #2 is the average Sunday score of their 5 qualifiers. There is nothing to guess there.

Ahh, got it. I thought you were asking for the average score of the top finishers.

[Rocco Graziosa]

Group A

Westwood
McElroy

Group B

Dustin Johnson
Adam Scott

Group C

Bubba Watson
Y.E Yang
Tim Clark
Webb Simpson

Winning score -12

Edited by Rocco Graziosa, 01 April 2012 - 02:21 PM.

[johnmd20]

Ahh, got it. I thought you were asking for the average score of the top finishers.

I thought it was the total strokes under par for the top 5 players. I have fixed my picks and removed the 2nd tiebreaker.

[FL4WL3SS]

I forgot to add the tiebreaker to my post.

Winning score: 273 (-15)

Edited by FL4WL3SS, 02 April 2012 - 06:34 AM.

[PaulinMyrBch]

Group A

Luke Donald
Tiger Woods

Group B

Justin Rose
Steve Stricker

Group C

Jason Day
Bo Van Pelt
Ian Poulter
Bubba Watson

Winning Score

275 (-13)

Best Old Guy: Mize Worst Old Guy: Woosnam

Edit to add Old Guy info

Edited by PaulinMyrBch, 03 April 2012 - 08:20 AM.

[The Four Peters]

Group A
Rory McIlroy
Tiger Woods

Group B
Keegan Bradley
Dustin Johnson

Group C
Bubba Watson
Rickie Fowler
K.J. Choi
Jason Day

Best Old Guy - Stadler
Worst Old Guy - Mize

Tiebreaker - 274 (-14)

[FL4WL3SS]

Group A:
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B:
Justin Rose
Adam Scott

Group C:
Jason Day
Sergio Garcia
Brandt Snedeker
Y.E. Yang

Sandy Lyle

*All picks subject to change.

Updated picks above. I'm really tempted to pick Hunter, but the chances of him going back to back are pretty slim.

Edited by FL4WL3SS, 02 April 2012 - 09:48 AM.

[RedOctober3829]

Group A (Select 2)
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B (Select 2)
Keegan Bradley
Graeme McDowell

Group C(Select 4)
Ian Poulter
Ryo Ishikawa
Bubba Watson
Sergio Garcia

Winning score: -14

[WayBackVazquez]

Group A (Select 2)

Tiger Woods
Phil Mickelson


Group B (Select 2)


Hunter Mahan

Adam Scott


Group C (Select 4)


Bubba Watson

Jim Furyk

Sergio Garcia

Jason Day


Winning Score: 273

[4 6 3 DP]

I am sorry

TIEBREAKER -11

[Koufax]

Group A:

Luke Donald
Tiger Woods

Group B:
Hunter MahanA
Dustin Johnson

Group C:
Ricky Fowler
Charles Howell III
Sergio Garcia
Y.E. Yang

Winning Score - 9

Old guy - Crenshaw

Edited by Koufax, 02 April 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[Papelbon's Poutine]

Group A :
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B :
Justin Rose
Keegan Bradley

Group C:
Freddie Couples
Angel Cabrera
Bubba Watson
Aaron Baddeley

Tiebreaker: -13

Old Guys: Best Woosnam; Worst Lyle

Edited by Papelbon's Poutine, 02 April 2012 - 03:14 PM.

[fletcherpost]

Group A :
Phil Mickelson
Rory McIlroy

Group B :
Justin Rose
Charl Schwartzel

Group C:
Jim Furyk
Angel Cabrera
Geoff Ogilvy
Jason Day

Tiebreaker: -13

Old Guys: Best Stadler; Worst Woosnam

[Lupe Whalewatch]

Tiger Woods
Luke Donald

Steve Stricker
Adam Scott

Jim Furyk
Sergio Garcia
Bo Van Pelt
Gary Woodland

-12

[Doug Beerabelli]

Group 1 - Rory, Phil

Group 2 Hunter Mahan, Steve Stricker

Group 3 - Peter Hansen, Ogilvy, Kyle Stanley, Rickie Fowler

Tiebreak : -11

Best old guy - Lyle
Worst - Woosie

[gtg807y]

Group A:
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B:
Keegan Bradley
Adam Scott

Group C:
Martin Laird
Fred Couples
Rickie Fowler
Zach Johnson

Best old guy: Larry Mize
Worst old guy: Ian Woosnam

Tiebreaker: -9

Edited by gtg807y, 02 April 2012 - 11:10 PM.

[johnmd20]

Dustin Johnson had to withdraw from the Masters with an injury. Those who picked him might want to alter their selections.

[Worst Trade Evah]

Thanks for doing this!

Group A:
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B:
Nick Watney
Graeme McDowell

Group C:
Paul Casey
Rickie Fowler
Ian Poulter
Ryo Ishikawa


Winning score = -12
Average score of top 5 Sunday qualifiers = -3
Best old = Lyle
Worst old = Woosnam

[Oil Can Dan]

Group A (Select 2)

Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B (Select 2)

Hunter Mahan
Justin Rose

Group C (Select 4)

Bubba Watson
Bo Van Pelt
Rickie Fowler
Geoff Ogilvy

Tiebreaker: -10

Edited by Oil Can Dan, 03 April 2012 - 02:01 PM.

[Deathofthebambino]

Group A: Tiger, Rory
Group B: Bradley, Mahan
Group C: B. Watson, Choi, Cabrera, Yang

Edited by Deathofthebambino, 03 April 2012 - 02:36 PM.

[Deathofthebambino]

My tiebreaker is -8

[Bongorific]

Group A (Select 2)
Tiger Woods
Luke Donald

Group B (Select 2)
Adam Scott
Hunter Mahan

Group C (Select 4)
Ian Poulter
Louis Oosthuizen
Zach Johnson
Lucas Glover

Score: -11

[The Four Peters]

Group A
Rory McIlroy
Tiger Woods

Group B
Keegan Bradley
Dustin Johnson Hunter Mahan

Group C
Bubba Watson
Rickie Fowler
K.J. Choi
Jason Day

Best Old Guy - Stadler
Worst Old Guy - Mize

Tiebreaker - 274 (-14)

Replacing Dustin Johnson.

[RedOctober3829]

Replacing Dustin Johnson.

Got it. Thanks.

ANYBODY ELSE WHO PICKED DUSTIN JOHNSON PLEASE MAKE YOUR CORRECTIONS

[FL4WL3SS]

After seeing all of the picks, I don't think there's enough diversity here - I think there will be too many ties. I think we should have forced people to pick only one person in Group 1 and made Group 2 a little bigger.

[Number45forever]

Love this pool, thanks for doing it!

Group A:
Tiger Woods
Phil Mickelson

Group B:
Keegan Bradley
Hunter Mahan

Group C:
Webb Simpson
Paul Casey
KJ Choi
Jason Day

Winning score: -14

Best old guy: Fred Couples (does he count as old guy? He's still playing great golf.) And, I think Bernhard Langer makes the cut.

Enjoy the Masters!

[RedOctober3829]

I am changing picks from Graeme McDowell to Hunter Mahan

[Average Reds]

Considering that the tournament starts tomorrow, I figured I better pay attention to this pool. My picks:

Group A

Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B

Justin Rose
Hunter Mahan

Group C

Sean O'Hair
K. J. Choi
Bill Haas
Rickie Fowler

Winning Score: -14


Best Old Guy

Among the five you listed, I'd take Woosnam. But that's a tough crowd, since none of the five are likely to make the cut.

[Koufax]

Revising to deal with Dustin Johnson's withdrawal:

Group A:

Luke Donald
Tiger Woods

Group B:
Hunter Mahan
Dustin Johnson
Adam Scott

Group C:
Ricky Fowler
Charles Howell III
Sergio Garcia
Y.E. Yang

Winning Score - 9

Old guy - Crenshaw

[RedOctober3829]

Revising to deal with Dustin Johnson's withdrawal:

Group A:

Luke Donald
Tiger Woods

Group B:
Hunter Mahan
Dustin Johnson
Adam Scott

Group C:
Ricky Fowler
Charles Howell III
Sergio Garcia
Y.E. Yang

Winning Score - 9

Old guy - Crenshaw

Got it. Thanks.

[jmm57]

A
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

B
Steve Stricker
Hunter Mahan

C
Bubba Watson
Miguel Angel Jimenez
Aaron Baddeley
Angel Cabrera

274 winning score
Crenshaw

Edited by jmm57, 04 April 2012 - 11:04 AM.

[PaulinMyrBch]

After seeing all of the picks, I don't think there's enough diversity here - I think there will be too many ties. I think we should have forced people to pick only one person in Group 1 and made Group 2 a little bigger.

At work we do one where each player is assinged a point value. You have to pick 4 players that total 200 points. Tiger and Phil might be worth 110 and 120, Sticker might be worth 80, DJ 65, Larry Mize 5, etc. So if you want 4 good players, you can't really have the top guys. If you take Tiger you end up with a 5 or 10 point guy. Seems to work.

In this one, everyone would pretty much have Tiger regardless, so he's a wash. The key to this is the C pool in my opinion.

[Freddy Linn]

One workaround is to make the first tiebreaker the total score in relation to par of all eight of your picks. That way it won't be decided on a more arbitrary guess of winning score and will be totally dependent on your ability to pick successful players.

Edited by Freddy Linn, 04 April 2012 - 11:57 AM.

[FL4WL3SS]

Jason Day has a foot injury in case that changes anybody's mind.

http://www.golfchann...as-foot-injury/

[FL4WL3SS]

I forgot to add the tiebreaker to my post.

Winning score: 273 (-15)

Bumping this up a couple notches.

Winning score: 271 (-17)

[Papelbon's Poutine]

I agree with your logic FL4WL3SS. The rain's going to soften it up.

Group A :
Tiger Woods
Rory McIlroy

Group B :
Justin Rose
Keegan Bradley

Group C:
Freddie Couples
Angel Cabrera
Bubba Watson
Aaron Baddeley

Tiebreaker: -16

Old Guys: Best Woosnam; Worst Lyle

Changed tiebreaker from 13 to 16 under.

Edited by Papelbon's Poutine, 04 April 2012 - 07:24 PM.