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[aron7awol]

So choosing Thomas means Albers is gone, right? Whatever, he's pretty much replacement level anyway.

Does that mean this is the 25?

Pitchers:
Beckett
Lester
Buchholz
Bard
Doubront
Melancon
Padilla
Aceves
Morales
Bowden
Thomas
Miller
Atchison
Albers

Position Players:
Salty
Shoppach
Gonzalez
Pedroia
Aviles
Youkilis
Sweeney
Ellsbury
Ross
Punto
McDonald
Ortiz

Edit: Miller on the DL.

Edited by aron7awol, 04 April 2012 - 12:50 PM.

[E5 Yaz]

Albers in, Miller is on the DL

[Buzzkill Pauley]

No, you missed that BobbyV's going with 13 pitchers and a 3-man bench.

No Repko, no Ciriaco, no Spears.

Instead it's (tee-hee-hee) Justin Thomas and his dad.

[GreenMonsterVsGodzilla]

Beaten to it

Edited by GreenMonsterVsGodzilla, 04 April 2012 - 12:51 PM.

[Rasputin]

All I can figure is that they have some possible trades in the works. Maybe some team is interested in Justin Thomas but wants to see him in a couple of real games first, I don't know. But this 13-pitcher thing should not last too long.

Who the fuck would be interested in Justin Thomas? I can't see any way in which he isn't completely fungible.

[SoxScout]

Pretty sure Thomas is in here as someone to pitch 80 pitches if Verlander is winning 7-2 tomorrow in the 5th inning.

[Bucknahs Bum Ankle]

Who the fuck would be interested in Justin Thomas? I can't see any way in which he isn't completely fungible.

So you're saying he's the next Cliff Lee?

/Mike Francesa

[Rough Carrigan]

Pretty sure Thomas is in here as someone to pitch 80 pitches if Verlander is winning 7-2 tomorrow in the 5th inning.

Because . . they don't dare tax that bullpen with a day off the very next day?

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Because . . they don't dare tax that bullpen with a day off the very next day?

Clearly, the Red Sox are bringing back Dr. Morgan to sew together Thomas-Atchison-Albers-and-Bowden into a single MLB-quality pitcher by tomorrow...

[Hendu's Gait]

So, Ortiz is the backup 1B and Punto the backup 3B?

Heaven help us with health.

We miss 'ya Timmy and your arm.

[mt8thsw9th]

You've got 2 back of the rotation starters whose innings will be limited. Pitching back to back, it's going to tax the pen

Alright, 7 relievers would be enough, especially since Aceves can go 2 innings. What does 8 relievers add?

[aron7awol]

Well, I'm not sure a guy like Repko or Ciracio would be that useful anyway. You aren't going to pinch hit them for anyone on the roster, and you have backups at every position covered for the most part. It would take multiple injuries in the same game to cause an issue. If you have two outfielders go down in the same game, you're stuck with Aviles/Youkilis in the OF.

[aron7awol]

So, Ortiz is the backup 1B and Punto the backup 3B?

Heaven help us with health.

We miss 'ya Timmy and your arm.

I would think if Gonzalez goes down, Youkilis plays 1B, Aviles plays 3B, and Punto plays SS.
If Youkilis goes down, Aviles shifts to 3B and Punto plays SS.

[Hendu's Gait]

I would think if Gonzalez goes down, Youkilis plays 1B, Aviles plays 3B, and Punto plays SS.
If Youkilis goes down, Aviles shifts to 3B and Punto plays SS.

Oh f***, of course; that's even worse. No matter who on the IF needs a day off or gets hurt, Punto goes in. No matter which IF.

[aron7awol]

When is Miller eligible to come off the DL? At that point, you are probably getting rid of Thomas, but then you're in a similar boat, where if you bring Repko up to be the fifth outfielder, you have to get rid of one of Miller/Albers/Atchison.

[aron7awol]

Oh f***, of course; that's even worse. No matter who on the IF needs a day off or gets hurt, Punto goes in. No matter which IF.

But it's only for the rest of that game. If it's a long term issue, then you ditch one of the bullpen arms and call up Ciracio. It's not the end of the world.

Edit: Although I suppose at that point Ciracio becomes the backup and you use Punto as the starting SS. At least, that's what I'd do.

Edited by aron7awol, 04 April 2012 - 01:11 PM.

[Clears Cleaver]

That has to be the worst 25-man roster the Sox ahve started a seaosn with since 2002

[Buzzkill Pauley]

When is Miller eligible to come off the DL? At that point, you are probably getting rid of Thomas, but then you're in a similar boat, where if you bring Repko up to be the fifth outfielder, you have to get rid of one of Miller/Albers/Atchison.

As soon as his health allows -- Miller last pitched on March 20, so he is eligible to be activated as of Opening Day.

[TomRicardo]

That has to be the worst 25-man roster the Sox ahve started a seaosn with since 2002

19-Josh Beckett, RHP
29-Keith Foulke, RHP
30-Matt Clement, RHP
37-Rudy Seanez, RHP
38-Curt Schilling, RHP
49-Tim Wakefield, RHP
50-Mike Timlin, RHP
51-Julian Tavarez, RHP
54-David Riske, RHP
55-Lenny DiNardo, LHP
58-Jonathan Papelbon, RHP


33-Jason Varitek, C
77-Josh Bard, C
3-Mark Loretta, 2B
11-Alex Gonzalez, SS
20-Kevin Youkilis, 1B/3B
23-Alex Cora, INF
25-Mike Lowell, 3B
34-David Ortiz, 1B/DH
84-J.T. Snow, 1B
7-Trot Nixon, OF
10-Coco Crisp, OF
22-Wily Mo Pena, OF
24-Manny Ramirez, OF
39-Adam Stern, OF

[TomRicardo]

RUDY SEANEZ!!!

[Buzzkill Pauley]

55-Lenny DiNardo, LHP

You know, he does give you a different look...

[mauidano]

Aceves just named closer for the Sox. I like it.
http://www.boston.co...tine_names.html

[Rudy Pemberton]

I remember when we thought 11 relievers was too many, and 12 was ludicrous, but fucking 13? To start the season? I really, really don't understand the need for 8 relievers on a roster, at all. You really need Bowden, Atchison, and Albers? Morales and Thomas? I hope this isn't a long term thing, while the last few guys on the roster are unlikely to matter too much, I'd much rather see another bat than a stiff like Thomas, who I guess is this year's token shit lefty who will be lucky to last two weeks.

[Rough Carrigan]

I remember when we thought 11 relievers was too many, and 12 was ludicrous, but fucking 13? To start the season? I really, really don't understand the need for 8 relievers on a roster, at all. You really need Bowden, Atchison, and Albers? Morales and Thomas? I hope this isn't a long term thing, while the last few guys on the roster are unlikely to matter too much, I'd much rather see another bat than a stiff like Thomas, who I guess is this year's token shit lefty who will be lucky to last two weeks.

Bobby V's gonna outLaRussa LaRussa! TLR's retired. SOMEbody's gotta get their relievers under 2 outs per appearance.

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Bobby V's gonna outLaRussa LaRussa! TLR's retired. SOMEbody's gotta get their relievers under 2 outs per appearance.

Isn't that Joe Maddon's job to lose?

[Carl Everetts Therapist]

WE clearly are gonna go 6 pitchers for six outs depending on matchups for the last 2 innings.........Aceves can get the last out

[Buzzkill Pauley]

WE clearly are gonna go 6 pitchers for six outs depending on matchups for the last 2 innings.........Aceves can get the last out five

There you go.

Atchison, Thomas, Bowden, Albers....I can't stop laughing about this, even though I should be crying.

[trekfan55]

Oh f***, of course; that's even worse. No matter who on the IF needs a day off or gets hurt, Punto goes in. No matter which IF.

There was no way to avoid that. Punto was signed specifically for that reason, and as much as we hate him, he's signed for two years (really???) and the Sox are not releasing him.

[aron7awol]

That has to be the worst 25-man roster the Sox ahve started a seaosn with since 2002

Really? Literally the only thing you can complain about is that the position player depth isn't enough to handle one of the stars going down. Except that basically happened last season when they got nothing out of Carl Crawford or right field, and yet they still had the best offense in baseball. There's no need to worry about the offense. It will be among the best in the majors, that you can be confident in.

If anything, it seems to me that Ben is trying to maintain a ton of depth where you need it the most. Pitching. Look at all of the talent on the roster or coming off the DL. You have four potential aces in Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, and Bard. You have potential league-average or better starters in Matsuzaka, Cook, and Padilla. You have some better than replacement level guys with potential in Aceves and Doubront. And you still have emergency starting depth in Tazawa and Miller. That's 11 starters right there. That will very likely get you through the season, and give you above average production on the whole. Is this not a ton of major league depth? All while $16M John Lackey is rehabbing for a year.

I see a lot of complaints about the bullpen, but you have your two excellent arms in Bailey and Melancon who get the high leverage innings, and plenty of depth behind them to handle the rest.

I've got nothing to complain about. If the Red Sox can field a team like this every year of my life, I know I'll see quite a few World Series championships in my lifetime.

[The Gray Eagle]

I remember when we thought 11 relievers was too many, and 12 was ludicrous, but fucking 13? To start the season? I really, really don't understand the need for 8 relievers on a roster, at all.

The bullpen's gassed, every one of them is going on only 180 days rest!

[Doctor G]

buchholz hasn't started a regular season game since last June. Bard has never started a regular season game. Doubront might have 2-3 starts total. Better to have an extra bullpen arm available until these three guys get their feet on the ground.

[Lose Remerswaal]

I remember when we thought 11 relievers was too many, and 12 was ludicrous, but fucking 13? To start the season? I really, really don't understand the need for 8 relievers on a roster, at all. You really need Bowden, Atchison, and Albers? Morales and Thomas? I hope this isn't a long term thing, while the last few guys on the roster are unlikely to matter too much, I'd much rather see another bat than a stiff like Thomas, who I guess is this year's token shit lefty who will be lucky to last two weeks.

Just so you know, 5 of those guys are called "starters", and they are unlikely to relieve.

Although I could see Bard coming in today, since he's not starting until Tuesday.

Wouldn't that be a laugh on SoSH if Bobby V uses him today?

[trekfan55]

Bobby V said Sox carrying extra pitcher through today's Beckett start. Said he's 'holding my breath' on Beckett, then said thumb a non-issue

Alex Speier on Twitter.

Interesting to see who the first position player to be called up will be. Ciriaco maybe?

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Alex Speier on Twitter.

Interesting to see who the first position player to be called up will be. Ciriaco maybe?

Miller just pitched another clean game in AAA, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox dropped two relief pitchers before tomorrow's game. [edit:] never mind, just read he's still scheduled to pitch Sunday for the PawSox.

If Youks' hip is barking and Aviles still nursing his ankle, it's almost certain to be Ciriaco or Spears. Unfortunately, activating either one will require a 40-man roster move.

Edited by Buzzkill Pauley, 13 April 2012 - 11:22 AM.

[trekfan55]

Miller just pitched another clean game in AAA, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox dropped two relief pitchers before tomorrow's game. [edit:] never mind, just read he's still scheduled to pitch Sunday for the PawSox.

If Youks' hip is barking and Aviles still nursing his ankle, it's almost certain to be Ciriaco or Spears. Unfortunately, activating either one will require a 40-man roster move.

DFA Thomas.

Anyone think he won't clear waivers?

[Buzzkill Pauley]

DFA Thomas.

Anyone think he won't clear waivers?

Well, no. He'd obviously clear waivers.

But that move only leaves 1 LHP in the pen. Not that BobbyV plays matchups correctly, but still...