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[Corsi]

Major scoopage! The Chicago Bears have agreed to terms of a trade w Miami for pro bowl WR Brandon Marshall in exchange for 2 third-rounders.

https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/status/179656346248036352

[tims4wins]

Posted this in the news thread, but I wonder if this has any implications for the Manning situation

[the1andonly3003]

wow

[JCizzle]

I really like this trade for the Bears.

In their last year together, Marshall had 104 receptions for 1265 yards and 6 TDs. If he and Cutler can put up anything close to that, it's a huge upgrade over 37 catch Johnny Knox who had a team-high 737 yards and 2 TDs.

Edited by JCizzle, 13 March 2012 - 03:02 PM.

[cshea]

Posted this in the news thread, but I wonder if this has any implications for the Manning situation

My initial take is they're clearing space for Peyton and Reggie.

Cutler and Marshall are now reunited.

[jsinger121]

Posted this in the news thread, but I wonder if this has any implications for the Manning situation

Wonder if he wanted Marshall out of there if he was going to sign with them.

[soxfan121]

Weird move unless the locker room was the hidden variable. He did have the dustup with Davis but it was my impression that Marshall had matured mightily in the past year.

Talented dude who works well with Cutler; two third round picks seems like a low return for a guy who cost two 2nd rounders and a huge guaranteed deal when Miami got him a few years ago.

[SoxScout]

Schefter just said on ESPN Manning liked the idea of playing with Marshall.

[Freddy Linn]

Schefter just said on ESPN Manning liked the idea of playing with Marshall.

Maybe Wayne didn't.

[Corsi]

Could he have asked for a trade? He reiterated his interest in playing with Cutler again last month.

http://www.suntimes....jay-cutler.html

[SoxScout]

Maybe Wayne didn't.

Why would they give a shit about that?

[Freddy Linn]

Why would they give a shit about that?

Because maybe they would rather sign Wayne and have a potential inside track on Manning?

[SoxScout]

Because maybe they would rather sign Wayne and have a potential inside track on Manning?

Yeah, I don't see it. Manning liked the idea of playing with a 27 year old freak WR, so you trade him in order to to sign a 33 year old WR in order to get the inside track on Manning? Ok.

I'm not saying Manning wont end up there, but I don't comprehend that thinking if Manning like Marshall like ESPN said.

Edited by SoxScout, 13 March 2012 - 03:13 PM.

[steveluck7]

Schefter just said on ESPN Manning liked the idea of playing with Marshall.

All depends on who you believe i suppose...
Some doubt if Manning wants to play with Marshall

Edited by steveluck7, 13 March 2012 - 03:13 PM.

[glennhoffmania]

What the fuck? Am I overreacting as a Fins fan or is two third rounders a total ripoff?

[czar]

As a Dolphins fan, I eagerly anticipate overpaying NFL backup Matt Flynn to the tune of $80 million and watching him throw to Davone Bess and Brian Hartline for the next 3 years.

There might not be a more frustratingly dysfunctional franchise in sports right now.

[Freddy Linn]

Yeah, I don't see it. Manning liked the idea of playing with a 27 year old freak WR, so you trade him in order to to sign a 33 year old WR in order to get the inside track on Manning? Ok.

I can't fathom why they would send Marshall off for two third-rounders, just trying to think why they would possibly do this. I'm just glad he's out of the division.

[glennhoffmania]

As a Dolphins fan, I eagerly anticipate overpaying NFL backup Matt Flynn to the tune of $80 million and watching him throw to Davone Bess and Brian Hartline for the next 3 years.

There might not be a more frustratingly dysfunctional franchise in sports right now.

Don't worry. They get two extra third rounders and they'll draft the next Duper and Clayton.

Jesus Christ.

[SoxScout]

Sports Hub just said someone (didn't catch the name) reported the Dolphins are out on Matt Flynn.

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

As of right now this makes ZERO sense for the Fins. Hopefully clarity will come soon. On the Bears side this is great for them. Someone like Marshall for 2 third round picks and enough cap space to still go after Mario. They were probably told they're out of the running for VJax.

Edited by Eck'sSneakyCheese, 13 March 2012 - 03:25 PM.

[steveluck7]

Sports Hub just said someone (didn't catch the name) reported the Dolphins are out on Matt Flynn.

Michael Lombardi

[czar]

Don't worry. They get two extra third rounders and they'll draft the next Duper and Clayton.

Jesus Christ.

What's sad is had this been practically any other team I'd have eyebrows raised that something else was happening (ex: Manning, etc.)

But when your front office continually displays a staggering level of incompetence...

[soxhop411]

RT @ArmandoSalguero: Texted team source, asked, "What's going on with Marshall move?" Response: "Be patient. You'll see." Guess we'll see

[smastroyin]

suck for barkley?

[gammoseditor]

I'm going to assume Manning was being diplomatic and doesn't really want to play with Marshall and this move frees up money to sign Manning, Saturday, and Wayne.

[SaveBooFerriss]

RT @ArmandoSalguero: Texted team source, asked, "What's going on with Marshall move?" Response: "Be patient. You'll see." Guess we'll see

Yeah, it really only makes sense if another shoe is about to drop. In a vaccum, it seems like a dreadful trade.

[SemperFidelisSox]

"Be patient. You'll see." = We're waiting to see if Chad Pennington passes the physical.

[Bad Penny]

I am a lifelong Dolphin fan. BM's highlights make Sportscenter but he also led the world in drops. He has been in trouble several times. I do not want to pile on, apparently he has been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. But I am glad he is someone else's problem

http://content.usato.../1#.T1-_ADGQYYk

[SMU_Sox]

Two thirds for Marshall? My gut reaction is not enough value for a guy like Marshall.

[Van Everyman]

RT @ArmandoSalguero: Texted team source, asked, "What's going on with Marshall move?" Response: "Be patient. You'll see." Guess we'll see

VJax and Peyton?

[PBDWake]

We might be reacting the wrong way to "You'll see"... this could also end with "Punched Jake Long in the dick for whistling at his girl" or something of that ilk. But on talent alone, a steal for the Bears. You're exceedingly lucky if one of those two 3rds turn into something resembling Marshall's talent.

[glennhoffmania]

Even if they traded Marshall to either clear cash for Manning or because Manning doesn't want to play with him, that still doesn't explain why they got such a shitty return.

[Clears Cleaver]

Its two thirds and $11.3M in cap space. No Flynn...no Manning most likely. Eric Winston coming in for a visit. I think Fish now have $25M under the cap. Mike Wallace to restricted? Manning and Wayne?

If they sign Winston to play RT, then their #8 pick can be used on a pass rusher

edit: Marshall is good, not great. He lead NFL in drops the last three years. He is an AWFUL red zone WR. But he did command safety help

Edited by Clears Cleaver, 13 March 2012 - 06:25 PM.

[collings94]

Marshall is the most underrated wideout in the league and a really good fit for Chicago. Two third rounders is a steal, it's almost like a move the Dolphins would make if they decided to start rebuilding. A move like this looks like an indicator that Miami is comfortable for now with Moore as the starter, and they will probably draft a QB to sit behind him.

[Judge Mental13]

So Marshall may have led the league in drops, but that's also because his QBs those years were Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, and Matt Moore. Marshall is a ridiculously good player. If anything, this tells me that Manning isn't coming to Miami so they're blowing it up. No way I can imagine he'd demand they trade their all-world WR because he's a jerk. Manning played some pretty incredible football with Marvin Harrison for almost a decade, Brandon Marshall never shot anybody. Doesn't add up.

[soxfan121]

We might be reacting the wrong way to "You'll see"... this could also end with "Punched Jake Long in the dick for whistling at his girl" or something of that ilk.

Well, we don't know but it's been strongly rumored that Marshall was the player who got into an altercation with Vontae "stinking of alcohol at practice" Davis.

[pdaj]

Marshall's a gifted athlete and a mismatch for any NFL secondary, but his drops have been an issue and can't be blamed on anyone but himself. I've seen every Fins' game he's played in, and he's mishandled a shitload of well-placed passes, many of which should have been sure-fire touchdowns. IMO, this is what prevents him from being truly elite.

That said, am I happy he was dealt? Initially, no. But I'll wait to see what's done with the additional cap space. It'll also be interesting to see what comes out the next few days concerning his locker room influence/behavior. A few of his teammates have taken their disappointment to Twitter, but I'm sure we'll hear a ton about him being a "head case". Whether or not it's bullshit, his past incidents (remember, he was stabbed by his wife last off-season) speak for themselves.

I'll be rooting for him in Chicago.

[SeoulSoxFan]

Two thirds for Marshall? My gut reaction is not enough value for a guy like Marshall.

If it's 3rd this year and another next year, it's more like a 3rd & a 4th for Marshall. After overpaying for the guy to begin with (to pair up with Henne), Phins lose out on this one.

If I am a Phins fan I am completely frustrated, and angry if Manning signs anywhere else but.

[epraz]

If it's 3rd this year and another next year, it's more like a 3rd & a 4th for Marshall.

The idea that a draft pick this year is worth less than a draft pick next year is thrown around a lot. It's certainly true in that you can generally get someone to give you a draft pick next year that is higher than the draft pick you give them this year, but does it really make sense for evaluating the bounty in a trade? To take it to a logical extreme, if Pats traded Tom Brady for the Dolphins' next 20 first-round picks, would you say that they really ended up getting one 1st rounder one, 2nd rounder, one 3rd rounder, etc.?

[Greg29fan]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Bears WR Brandon Marshall was involved in another incident that could lead to an NFL review. More shortly at http://ESPN.com.

[soxhop411]

could the trade be voided?

[Freddy Linn]

According to a statement released by Marshall's attorney, the "incident" was a recent "melee" at a New York City club. The statement claims Marshall had no part in the fight, and that his wife was "struck in the face by a thrown bottle" as they attempted to leave. It's been nearly 11 months since Marshall's last "incident," his April 2011 stabbing at the hands of his wife. Mar. 14 - 12:14 am et

Rotoworld

Here's his attorney's statement, I guess the NYPD is investigating Marshall and some friends for assaulting another guy. Note the ALL CAPS:

“On March 12,2012 Brandon Marshall was the key note speaker at a charitable event in New York. After the event was over he, his wife and close friends attended a function at a local club.

While at the function a fight broke out NOT involving Mr. Marshall or his friends. While attempting to leave to avoid the melee Mrs. Marshall was struck in the face by a thrown bottle. She suffered serious injury.

While attempting to leave and take his wife to the hospital, the mayhem continued outside. Finally Mr. Marshall was able to take his wife to the hospital where she was treated for serious injuries.

Mr. Marshall is hoping to assist authorities in regards to this matter.”

Edited by Freddy Linn, 14 March 2012 - 12:29 AM.

[SeoulSoxFan]

The idea that a draft pick this year is worth less than a draft pick next year is thrown around a lot. It's certainly true in that you can generally get someone to give you a draft pick next year that is higher than the draft pick you give them this year, but does it really make sense for evaluating the bounty in a trade? To take it to a logical extreme, if Pats traded Tom Brady for the Dolphins' next 20 first-round picks, would you say that they really ended up getting one 1st rounder one, 2nd rounder, one 3rd rounder, etc.?

In theory, yes. In reality, if that's how future draft picks are valued, then it is how they are valued.

We see future picks (2 or more years ahead) traded at less value - i.e., 2nd round picks for this year's 1st. If that's how the GMs value the picks, not sure how they couldn't be counted as their "real" value in a bounty/haul.

Edited by SeoulSoxFan, 14 March 2012 - 01:43 AM.

[dbn]

Isn't saying a 3rd next year is equal to a 4th this year akin to saying that the money one gets from a payday loan is equal in value to what one eventually pays for it?

Edited by dbn, 14 March 2012 - 02:13 AM.

[Judge Mental13]

Wayne staying with Indy. No way Manning goes to Miami now, IMO

[Van Everyman]

RT @ArmandoSalguero: Texted team source, asked, "What's going on with Marshall move?" Response: "Be patient. You'll see." Guess we'll see

If Peyton to Denver is real, could it mean Tebow to Miami?

[JimBoSox9]

Isn't saying a 3rd next year is equal to a 4th this year akin to saying that the money one gets from a payday loan is equal in value to what one eventually pays for it?

No. It's a shortcut for evaluation that basically represents what teams generally view as fair value based on trades that include picks.

[dcmissle]

RT @ArmandoSalguero: Texted team source, asked, "What's going on with Marshall move?" Response: "Be patient. You'll see." Guess we'll see

We've seen; it didn't require much patience after all. Chicago, you will need to be patient.

[dcdrew10]

RT @ArmandoSalguero: Texted team source, asked, "What's going on with Marshall move?" Response: "Be patient. You'll see." Guess we'll see

Marshall has been accused of "slugging" a woman. Not sure if that was thing that the source was telling people to be patient about, but I would not be surprised if the accusation was part of the decision process of making the trade.

edit: The Bears made the trade despite knowing about the allegations. I guess that is why they got him for two third rounders. They must be confident that he won't see much discipline.

Edited by dcdrew10, 14 March 2012 - 08:12 AM.

[phragle]

Everybody knows a half decent man that has hit a woman right?