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[maufman]

RT @MikeKlis: Broncos meeting with Peyton Manning, offering $60 million over 5 yearshttp://www.denverpos...lane-headed-n-c via @denverpost

With only $30mm guaranteed. That's less money than I expected Peyton to get. Hell, that's basically Mark Sanchez money, right?

The linked article also claims that well-placed sources are confirming the CW that Miami and Arizona are out; it also claims the Cards will pay the $7mm to retain Kolb.

[soxhop411]

Judy Battista ‏ @judybattista
\Oh my goodness...@AdamSchefter reporting NINERS have entered the Peyton race.

Edited by soxhop411, 16 March 2012 - 01:03 PM.

[SoxScout]

Wow, ESPN saying Harbaugh worked him out and he took a physical this week with the 49ers.

They would be the Super Bowl favorites IMO.

Edited by SoxScout, 16 March 2012 - 01:04 PM.

[Mystic Merlin]

Wow, ESPN saying Harbaugh worked him out and he took a physical this week with the 49ers.

They would be the Super Bowl favorites IMO.

How the hell did this go unnoticed? Well done, media.

[kneemoe]

is that the fake adam schefter account being quoted?

edit: doesn't look like it...

Edited by kneemoe, 16 March 2012 - 01:16 PM.

[Nator]

So, $30 Million guaranteed plus Peyton Manning is the buy-out price Elway is willing to pay to remove Tebowmania from Denver?

Edited by Nator, 16 March 2012 - 01:20 PM.

[nattysez]

Judy Battista ‏ @judybattista
\Oh my goodness...@AdamSchefter reporting NINERS have entered the Peyton race.

This is a bit of a disaster for the Niners. The last thing they needed was to do something to hurt Alex Smith's confidence.

[Shelterdog]

So, $30 Million guaranteed plus Peyton Manning is the buy-out price Elway is willing to pay to remove Tebowmania from Denver?

Yes. Spot-on analysis. Getting a first ballot hall of famer is irrelevant.

[86spike]

so Denver goes to watch him work out... reportedly Manning agreed to do this in order to get Denver to up their offer... and then all of the sudden the 9ers are also surprisingly an option?

I think this info leaked precisely at the moment Manning wanted it to. When he told Elway that he's going to need to up his offer some more.

[soxhop411]

This is a bit of a disaster for the Niners. The last thing they needed was to do something to hurt Alex Smith's confidence.

Funny thing. They have same agent

[soxfan121]

"This is AC, damnit! I'm in the white bronco with the Heisman winner!! YES! And we got Tim Tebow tied up in the back! If this workout goes well, me & Johnny Heisman are gonna dump Tebow in a swamp beside the road!! This is AC in the white bronco, signing off, damnit!"

[Carl Everetts Therapist]

"This is AC, damnit! I'm in the white bronco with the Heisman winner!! YES! And we got Tim Tebow tied up in the back! If this workout goes well, me & Johnny Heisman are gonna dump Tebow in a swamp beside the road!! This is AC in the white bronco, signing off, damnit!"

When they were talking about a White Bronco that could run they meant Tim Tebow, not the OJ chase

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

This is totally turning into a circus, and I love it. Niners are in it too? This is fantastic.

[maufman]

I had wondered whether there might be a secret suitor, but I had dismissed the idea in recent days. After all, going after Peyton Manning signals a club's willingness to do what it takes to win. That's good PR, even if you don't land him.

The Niners, however, had good reasons not to want their pursuit of Peyton to come out if they didn't end up signing him. Does this shake Smith's confidence? Does he decide he wants to test the free-agent waters now?

Still, if they're serious, I'm surprised they've been able to keep it under wraps up to now. I still think it's Denver or Tennessee.

[JCizzle]

Wow, I did not see this coming from the Niners. Harbaugh is Belichickian in the way he keeps stuff under wraps.

[soxfan121]

The Niners, however, had good reasons not to want their pursuit of Peyton to come out if they didn't end up signing him. Does this shake Smith's confidence? Does he decide he wants to test the free-agent waters now?

If they get Peyton, who gives a fuck? And if the 49ers don't get Peyton and Alex Fucking Smith has his feelings hurt that the 49ers inquired about Peyton - a sure HOF'er - then Alex Smith needs to suck it up and deal. I haven't bought the idea that SF couldn't pursue Manning because of Smith's fragility and I never will - if Smith gets pouty because the team kicked the tires on a guy who is WAY better than he is then it's Smith's failing. Colin Kaepernick (sp?) was a 2nd rounder last year, right? At least the 49ers have a backup if Smith decides to take his talents to South Beach just to spite the team for daring to speak to Peyton Manning.

[TheoShmeo]

This is a bit of a disaster for the Niners. The last thing they needed was to do something to hurt Alex Smith's confidence.

Unless, of course, they get Manning.

Oops, missed 121's post. I'd add that I don't think that Alex Smith is a great QB. Even if this doesn't work, it's worth trying. A healthy Manning kicks the living shit out of Alex Smith.

Edited by TheoShmeo, 16 March 2012 - 01:58 PM.

[Freddy Linn]

If this happens, whom do you prefer - Matt Flynn or Alex Smith? Seems like there would be two chairs left, Miami and Seattle. Would Cleveland go after Smith, since they backed off of Flynn?

Flynn might get a much better contract real soon.

[maufman]

If they get Peyton, who gives a fuck? And if the 49ers don't get Peyton and Alex Fucking Smith has his feelings hurt that the 49ers inquired about Peyton - a sure HOF'er - then Alex Smith needs to suck it up and deal. I haven't bought the idea that SF couldn't pursue Manning because of Smith's fragility and I never will - if Smith gets pouty because the team kicked the tires on a guy who is WAY better than he is then it's Smith's failing. Colin Kaepernick (sp?) was a 2nd rounder last year, right? At least the 49ers have a backup if Smith decides to take his talents to South Beach just to spite the team for daring to speak to Peyton Manning.

If the 49ers don't sign Manning, they would rather the world not know they tried.

All the other clubs in the running for Manning are happy to have their interest known, whether they sign him or not. The Titans, Dolphins and Cardinals can all tell their suffering fans that they tried their best, and Elway inoculates himself from criticism if the first full year of the Tebow experiment goes badly.

[Nator]

Yes. Spot-on analysis. Getting a first ballot hall of famer is irrelevant.

I meant this from the perspective of how much Elway hates Tebow as his quarterback, and this is the type of deal that will silence the morons who would protest if they signed Matt Flynn instead.

[E5 Yaz]

ESPN: #Cardinals are signing QB Kevin Kolb to new (restructured) contract

[trekfan55]

Right now Alex Smith is a FA, it is not the same situation as say, Denver where they would have to jettison their starting QB. The Niners have every right, maybe even obligation, to look into Peyton Manning if he happens to be available. They have an incredible defense (and all 11 starters will return in 2012 and quite probably 2013) and good weapons to sorround him. So this is not only about Alex Smith's confidence, they are in fact, negotiating with him also.

[soxfan121]

If the 49ers don't sign Manning, they would rather the world not know they tried.

Well, sure. And it sounds like they kept it quiet for a few days, which these days is an enormous accomplishment. But it was bound to come out before he signed.

[E5 Yaz]

If the 49ers don't sign Manning, they would rather the world not know they tried.

The only person to whom it would have mattered is Alex Smith; and since Smith has the same agent as Manning, it's very likely he knew anyway

[nattysez]

If they get Peyton, who gives a fuck? And if the 49ers don't get Peyton and Alex Fucking Smith has his feelings hurt that the 49ers inquired about Peyton - a sure HOF'er - then Alex Smith needs to suck it up and deal. I haven't bought the idea that SF couldn't pursue Manning because of Smith's fragility and I never will - if Smith gets pouty because the team kicked the tires on a guy who is WAY better than he is then it's Smith's failing. Colin Kaepernick (sp?) was a 2nd rounder last year, right? At least the 49ers have a backup if Smith decides to take his talents to South Beach just to spite the team for daring to speak to Peyton Manning.

The 49ers would be quite unhappy if they had to have Colin Kaepernick starting for them next year. He is entirely untested and they are a Super Bowl-caliber team. Ryan Mallett was arguably a better college player than Kaepernick -- the Patriots certainly wouldn't want Mallett starting for them next year.

I'm also not sure that telling Alex Smith to "suck it up and deal" is a great idea. That approach generally doesn't work particularly well in professional sports, and the Niners spent all of last year bending over backwards to (successfully) improve Smith's confidence.

All of that said, it was pointed out upthread that Smith and Manning share an agent. This information, combined with the fact that it doesn't make any sense in a vacuum that Smith hasn't signed yet, suggests to me that Condon is working with the Niners to keep Smith happy ("hey, they're kicking the tires on HoFer -- don't get upset") while they consider Manning.

And, of course, I agree that none of this matters if they sign Manning. If he wants to win a ring, I think he'd be a fool to sign in Denver rather than SF, but we shall see.

[RedOctober3829]

Per Cardinals Team Source: Seems a certainty now that Kolb will remain, get his bonus, and effectively remove The Cards from Manning chase.

https://twitter.com/#!/MichelleBeisner/status/180743397206790144

[Al Zarilla]

The 49ers have been re-upping players left and right and people were starting to wonder about Alex. He was offered a three year extension but has been sitting on it. As for his "feelings", he's a smart guy and a good team guy who survived Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary. He'll be cool whatever happens, at least on the surface. 49ers interest in Manning is surprising, if true.

[SoxScout]

@MikeKlis: Broncos meeting with Peyton Manning, offering roughly $90 million over 5 years

[RedOctober3829]

That is just fucking crazy.

[86spike]

So the Denver Post has back tracked on the salary numbers and now says the bidding for manning is $90M over 5 yrs, $30M guaranteed.

Can SF even afford that?

Edited by 86spike, 16 March 2012 - 03:11 PM.

[soxfan121]

The 49ers would be quite unhappy if they had to have Colin Kaepernick starting for them next year. He is entirely untested and they are a Super Bowl-caliber team.

I'm not sure we know they'd "quite unhappy" but it certainly isn't ideal. However, if they ARE after Manning they wouldn't be bringing Smith back as the backup, they'd have Kaepernick as the backup to a guy with a broken neck. They spent a 2nd round pick (36th overall) on him last year, when they did so much to improve Smith's confidence.

I'm also not sure that telling Alex Smith to "suck it up and deal" is a great idea. That approach generally doesn't work particularly well in professional sports, and the Niners spent all of last year bending over backwards to (successfully) improve Smith's confidence.

You think Alex Smith is so mentally fragile that he cannot handle the 49ers interest in Peyton Manning? How about they tell him it's a business? That Peyton Manning is a future HoF QB and, you, Alex Smith are just not as good? Can Alex Smith not handle the truth?!

All of that said, it was pointed out upthread that Smith and Manning share an agent. This information, combined with the fact that it doesn't make any sense in a vacuum that Smith hasn't signed yet, suggests to me that Condon is working with the Niners to keep Smith happy ("hey, they're kicking the tires on HoFer -- don't get upset") while they consider Manning.

According to an article over in the 49ers thread, Smith is happy with the terms of the 49ers offer and that Condon was "working out the details". This was Sunday. It's Friday. I think it's highly likely that Tom Condon (who also reps Brandon Lloyd and has a contentious past with the Pats) knew about Manning's "secret" workout and Smith didn't. Smith's beef is with his agent, if he wasn't told Manning was working out for the 49ers, not the 49ers.

Of course, your interpretation is equally plausible - Smith knows (and has known since he agreed to terms on or before Sunday) that the 49ers are "in" on Manning and he has agreed to put his own interests aside for the time being. This might include an offer from Miami or another suitor (Cleveland?). Perhaps Condon is the model of professionalism and he has represented both clients fairly and equally throughout this process.

[soxfan121]

So the Denver Post has back tracked on the salary numbers and now says the bidding for manning is $90M over 5 yrs, $30M guaranteed.

Can SF even afford that?

This site has them at $82M (~$122M is the ceiling) after re-signing Carlos Rodgers, releasing Shawntae Spencer and applying a $16.5M rollover from 2011.

Very much yes, the 49ers can meet or exceed that offer if they want.

Edited by soxfan121, 16 March 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[86spike]

Someone on a Broncos site I read cracked me up with this:

"This reminds me of watching Manning under center in games. How many times have I screamed "snap the damn ball!" at the TV?"

[Montana Fan]

Wow, ESPN saying Harbaugh worked him out and he took a physical this week with the 49ers.

They would be the Super Bowl favorites IMO.

For my money they're Super Bowl favorites without Peyton.

[Shelterdog]

For my money they're Super Bowl favorites without Peyton.

Either he'll be pretty healthy, and they'd be SB favorites, or he's not, and they won't be. There's not much of an in-between.

[mpx42]

This site has them at $82M (~$122M is the ceiling) after re-signing Carlos Rodgers, releasing Shawntae Spencer and applying a $16.5M rollover from 2011.

Very much yes, the 49ers can meet or exceed that offer if they want.

Spotrac isn't currently listing dead money against the cap. It has New England as having something like 40 million in cap space left.

[JCizzle]

I think they have approximately $15m left this year, but I don't have the numbers handy at the moment.

[trekfan55]

RT @johnelway: We enjoyed visiting with Peyton today in N.C. He threw the ball great and looked very comfortable out there. #49ers

Retweeted by Eric Branch

[soxfan121]

Spotrac isn't currently listing dead money against the cap. It has New England as having something like 40 million in cap space left.

Thanks for the correction - this source says ~$15M under but it doesn't seem to have been updated for the Spencer/Rogers transactions.

[Royal Reader]

This may just be the SEC snob in me talking, but I don't think it's that arguable Mallet had the better college career. He was a first round talent who fell due to character concerns.

[trekfan55]

From Eric Branch

* Five years and $90 million? That hardly sounds like San Francisco’s style. Their most compelling pitch to Manning goes something like this: Do you want a second Super Bowl ring? We were thisclose to being in the Super Bowl last year and our defense is light years better than anything you had in Indianapolis. And if you take less money, we’ll try to get you Mario Manningham or Brandon Lloyd. Please?

[86spike]

From Eric Branch

Never mind that we play in the shittiest stadium in the NFL, though.

[Ed Hillel]

San Fran has always made the most sense for Peyton, and I was surprised how little they were mentioned as serious contenders. Dude is set for life and is risking his ability to walk to play again. His primary motivation has to be to try to match his brother and maybe to compete again with Brady for best of the era. What better place for him than San Fran? The warm weather is better for his body than a place like Denver, too, though I think Denver is the clear second best fit.

[Tony C]

the weather is relatively warm (early fall in SF is pretty bucolic after their weirdly cold winters), but Candlestick is still a muddy mess. He's not a runner, so maybe he'd be fine with that. And what's the latest with the Niners stadium, aren't they moving to Santa Clara or something?

[Tony C]

through the magic of google I see they will be moving to Santa Clara, but not until 2015 -- so not really a factor (not that better drainage was really some sort of determining variable, anyway).

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

https://twitter.com/...085219997237248

#Titans have watched Manning work out in Knoxville today.

http://profootballta...-the-ball-well/

Another team has been allowed inside the curtain and permitted to view more than 27 seconds on YouTube of Peyton Manning throwing, and the verdict is, once again, that he looks good.

Edited by Eck'sSneakyCheese, 17 March 2012 - 02:23 PM.

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

the weather is relatively warm (early fall in SF is pretty bucolic after their weirdly cold winters), but Candlestick is still a muddy mess. He's not a runner, so maybe he'd be fine with that. And what's the latest with the Niners stadium, aren't they moving to Santa Clara or something?

It isn't that warm. While the rest of the country is enjoying summer-like temps in early September, Peyton could be forced to play in 43-degree, windy, foggy weather. Its true that no matter where he signs, he'll spend around half of his games battling the elements but about the only thing that should give him pause about the Niners are the conditions (and maybe the receiving options). Candlestick can be 80 and sunny one minute and then see temps drop 30 degrees and winds kick up 30 MPH over the space of an hour or so.

The Bay Area has lots to recommend itself to a guy like Peyton but weather ain't it.

Edited by DeJesus Built My Hotrod, 17 March 2012 - 02:42 PM.

[m0ckduck]

Does this shake Smith's confidence? Does he decide he wants to test the free-agent waters now?

I think people are too binary about this idea that Alex Smith's fragile confidence is automatically shattered if he learns that the Niners are considering another QB. It would depends on whom the QB is, at least a bit. If you're Smith and you hear that the 49ers are thinking about replacing you with Byron Leftwich or Brett Favre, that's demoralizing. It's not a slight if your team is considering replacing you with Manning (unless you're Brady, Rodgers or Brees.) I don't think Alex Smith is an idiot-- he's probably capable of making this distinction.

Now, he might develop bad feelings towards the organization if he doesn't feel they're being honest with him, etc etc-- but that's not the same thing. I don't see how this fits into the 'Alex Smith didn't believe in himself until Harbaugh showed up' narrative.

[rembrat]

@ESPNLKCornetta
John Clayton on ESPN Radio said if Broncos get Manning the rumor circulating is Denver would trade Tebow to #Patriots

https://twitter.com/#!/ESPNLKCornetta/status/181118665289240577

pleasepleasepleaseplease

[soxhop411]

https://twitter.com/#!/ESPNLKCornetta/status/181118665289240577

pleasepleasepleaseplease

of course he would backup... but what would it cost? and why?