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[tims4wins]

Post free agent signings, franchise taggings, etc. here...

CB Stanford Routt to KC

Edited by tims4wins, 20 February 2012 - 03:36 PM.

[mpx42]

Packers sign TE Jermichael Finley to a 2-year, 15 million dollar deal.

http://profootballta...-year-contract/

[phragle]

Flynn franchised?

Looking for confirmation now.

Edit: Couldn't find confirmation, but the Finley signing has to increase the odds Flynn gets tagged right?

Edited by phragle, 23 February 2012 - 09:33 AM.

[ethangl]

I wish I could find a list of tag-and-trades -- is Cassel the last time that was done w/ a QB?

[soxfan121]

Edit: Couldn't find confirmation, but the Finley signing has to increase the odds Flynn gets tagged right?

Not IMO - the Packers still have some other team needs and limited cap space; tagging their backup QB is a big risk that might cost them other players.

If they are confident that Miami will send them a 2nd round pick for Flynn, sure. But if they are tagging the backup QB without a deal in place, it's a big risk.

[tims4wins]

Browns re-sign D'Qwell Jackson

5 years / $42.5M / $19M guaranteed

[tims4wins]

Not news per se, but Bill Barnwell had an interesting write up on Matt Flynn today

http://www.grantland...cles-matt-flynn

He points out that in the last 22 years, there have been precisely 22 times in which a QB threw for 400+ yards on 30+ attempts with a 65%+ completion percentage and a 10+ YPA and won the game. Every single QB on the list had either already made a Pro Bowl, or would make the Pro Bowl in the future. Flynn accomplished this feat against the Lions.


Player Year(s)
Drew Bledsoe 1996
Tom Brady 2011 (twice)
Drew Brees 2011
Marc Bulger 2005
Chris Chandler 2001
Daunte Culpepper 2004 (twice)
John Elway 1998
Boomer Esiason 1990
Brad Johnson 1999
Jim Kelly 1992
Peyton Manning 2003, 2004, 2006
Donovan McNabb 2004
Aaron Rodgers 2010, 2011
Ben Roethlisberger 2009
Kurt Warner 2000
Steve Young 1993

Edited by tims4wins, 29 February 2012 - 11:59 AM.

[jsinger121]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter

Steelers plan to tender, not franchise, restricted free agent wide receiver Mike Wallace, according to source close to Wallace.

This is stunning.

[RedOctober3829]

This is stunning.

Holy crap.

[Shelterdog]

This is stunning.

I'm not sure about that. Wallace doesn't have to sign an offer sheet from another team if he doesn't want to, so even if the 49ers or whoever make some giant, front-loaded offer designed to fuck the steelers and take Wallace, Wallace and his agent probably just shop it to the Steelers.

[drleather2001]

I'm legitimately curious: why is this so stunning? I thought it was pretty much agreed around here that Wallace wouldn't be franchised.

[jsinger121]

I'm legitimately curious: why is this so stunning? I thought it was pretty much agreed around here that Wallace wouldn't be franchised.

When the Steelers started to clear cap space with restructures and releases I figured they would pony up for the franchise tag for Wallace.

[jsinger121]

Kamerion Wimbley likely to be cut if he doesn't restructure. Might not be a bad guy to look at considering his size and his age.

http://blogs.nfl.com...l-isnt-reached/

[jsinger121]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
More moves coming in Pittsburgh: Steelers releasing Aaron Smith.

[bradcote]

Adam Schefter‏
Eagles place franchise tag on WR DeSean Jackson.

[SMU_Sox]

That surprises me more than any other move so far.

[RedOctober3829]

Ravens cut CB Chris Carr

[mpx42]

Raiders franchise S Tyvon Branch.

[jsinger121]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
Ravens plan to place their franchise tag on running back Ray Rice today.

[jsinger121]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter

49ers plan to place their franchise tag on safety Dashon Goldson today.

[jsinger121]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter

Falcons will place the Franchise Tag on CB Brent Grimes.

[RedOctober3829]

Steelers have cut James Farrior.

[jsinger121]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter

Titans will not place their franchise tag on cornerback Cortland Finnegan, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent.

[Shelterdog]

Steelers have cut James Farrior.

It looks to me like they're convinced-to a moral certainity-that someone is making a big play for Wallace.

[RedOctober3829]

It looks to me like they're convinced-to a moral certainity-that someone is making a big play for Wallace.

Well, they need to get under the cap regardless. Plus, they need to get younger in the front seven so yes they are making room to sign Wallace but I think these moves should have been made regardless. Aaron Smith and Farrior are either old, often-injured, or both. Hines Ward is done too.

[Shelterdog]

Well, they need to get under the cap regardless. Plus, they need to get younger in the front seven so yes they are making room to sign Wallace but I think these moves should have been made regardless. Aaron Smith and Farrior are either old, often-injured, or both. Hines Ward is done too.

I see your point and I don't think the Steelers are doing anything wrong but they're cutting a lot of guys in a hurry (they also dumped Keamoeatu)--they've ditched four guys who have started a ton of games in two days. You don't see that too often.

[tims4wins]

I see your point and I don't think the Steelers are doing anything wrong but they're cutting a lot of guys in a hurry (they also dumped Keamoeatu)--they've ditched four guys who have started a ton of games in two days. You don't see that too often.

Quite true. Farrior has played in all but 6 games during his 10 years in Pittsburgh. Smith, on the other hand, has only played in 15 games over the last 3 years.

Much like the Pats, the Steelers aren't afraid to move on from aging vets, and it's one of the reasons for their long term sustained success.

[jsinger121]

If the Steelers were convinced of someone trying to pry Wallace then they should go with the franchise tag instead of a simple restricted free agent tender.

[KiltedFool]

All of these moves were projected and expected. Everyone knew McFadden, Kemoeatu, Smith, one of Farrior/Foote, and Ward (unless vet min) would have to go at a minimum, Hampton will have to be dealt with similarly (paycut/restructure). The org knowingly went into cap hell keeping the group together for another shot at the title. It didn't work and now they'll have to continue building through the draft until the raised salary cap lets them breathe a little more.

Best to get all the purging of the vets out of the way in one swoop.

Best way to keep Wallace is under a long term deal, which if they clear enough space they can do. They may be able to keep Wallace and re-sign Cotchery, Cotch was an asset in the second half. Wallace has made the right noises about staying, while also making the public statements to give himself leverage. The Rooneys want him to stay, if he wants to stay it'll happen.

[Shelterdog]

If the Steelers were convinced of someone trying to pry Wallace then they should go with the franchise tag instead of a simple restricted free agent tender.

There are reasons to go both ways. Using the tag locks him up for 2012, no question about that, but it gives you a 2013 issue (you have to tag him for $12 million or let him go), and for a cap-strapped team like the steelers it effectively knocks them out of free agency. With the restricted tender you have cap flexibility until about a week after Wallace signs the tender, you have more options for signing him long term (he presumably signs the franchise tag if he gets tagged), and if someone does offer him an outlandish offer that you'll never ever match, at least you get a first.

EDIT: Another small point is that you could spread out some of the cap hits between '12 and '13 if you waited until June 1. they're not doing that; they want (and need) the money right now. And even after the moves they've made so far they're still just at the cap (per Steelers Depot they're at about $117.5 million right now including RFA tenders, and a lot of people are pointing at a $120 million cap plus $1.5 million extra in allowable borrowing from future cap years). They have to make a bunch of additional moves to franchise Wallace

Edited by Shelterdog, 02 March 2012 - 12:16 PM.

[tims4wins]

Marshawn Lynch to be tagged if a contract agreement can't be reached

[Seels]

ha, that's dumb. Lynch is a league average runner, unless the Hawks are shitting money why bother tagging him unless you're just buying time.

[tims4wins]

ha, that's dumb. Lynch is a league average runner, unless the Hawks are shitting money why bother tagging him unless you're just buying time.

Agreed. He finished 32nd in yards per carry among qualified players last year. He was 12th in DVOA. He was 26th in success rate. I'm not sure he's a materially better back than BJGE. And Pats fans would go batshit crazy if the Pats franchised the Firm.

[jsinger121]

Lee Evans released by Baltimore.

[Salva135]

Brees and the Saints are off by about $5M/year over the first 3 years of his impending contract.

http://espn.go.com/n...ars-sources-say

[jsinger121]

Jason La Canfora ‏ @JasonLaCanfora

Cards announce franchise tag for Calais Campbell. No surprises yet on the franchise tag front

[MainerInExile]

The org knowingly went into cap hell keeping the group together for another shot at the title. It didn't work and now they'll have to continue building through the draft until the raised salary cap lets them breathe a little more.

Amazing that the Pats have had their run of success without ever having to go through this.

[dbn]

Amazing that the Pats have had their run of success without ever having to go through this.

How soon you forget 2002. Seriously, though, they've had a winning record 11 years in a row now, and have won 10+ games 10 of those 11 years, and 11+ (if you count playoffs) in 9 of the 11.

[tims4wins]

Rice officially franchised

[MainerInExile]

How soon you forget 2002. Seriously, though, they've had a winning record 11 years in a row now, and have won 10+ games 10 of those 11 years, and 11+ (if you count playoffs) in 9 of the 11.

I don't remember them being in salary cap hell in 2002, but I do know they turned over the roster quite a bit.

[NortheasternPJ]

I don't remember them being in salary cap hell in 2002, but I do know they turned over the roster quite a bit.

According to Miguel's cap page they were close but they released or traded:
Drew Bledsoe - not needed
Terry Glenn - without saying
Robert Edwards - no knee
Andy Katzenmoyer - no explanation needed

and a bunch of nobodies. Sure they didn't have a lot of cap room, but I don't recall the cap being a problem in 2002. I may have just had my head in the clouds after 2001 and didn't listen to negative with the team though.

[Super Nomario]

If the Pats were in salary cap hell in 2002, it's probably not fair to lay that entirely at the feet of BB anyway. Most of the players would have been holdovers from the Grier / Carroll era.

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Lee Evans released by Baltimore.

I could see the Patriots kicking the tires on him for a short term contract. He's only 30, and he's still a decent deep threat. The guy averages almost 16 yards per catch for his career. He may be able to fill that Donte Stallworth type role.

[Seels]

Ugh no he's completely cooked. Unless it's a deal that's almost completely incentive based, just skip him all together.

[phragle]

I could see the Patriots kicking the tires on him for a short term contract. He's only 30, and he's still a decent deep threat. The guy averages almost 16 yards per catch for his career. He may be able to fill that Donte Stallworth type role.

Make sure you keep up that 82% useless shit

[dbn]

I should have read the originally-quoted post more carefully (or waited until I drank my coffee before posting). I was making a joke about the team struggling for a while (i.e., one 9-win season) before being able to re-load the roster.

I don't think they've ever had to decimate the roster for salary-cap reasons in the BB era, which is likely one (of many) reasons for their consistent success.

[Freddy Linn]

Saints tag Brees

Carl Nicks is going to get rich, no offer from the Saints yet.

[RedOctober3829]

Saints tag Brees

Carl Nicks is going to get rich, no offer from the Saints yet.

I keep hearing Nicks to Dallas.

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Make sure you keep up that 82% useless shit

Don't be all jealous because I don't play battlefield with you anymore. Greener pastures.

Besides, I'm glad you spoke up. You get to be my next Mystic Merlin, and Lee Evans can be my next Marcus Stroud and Shaun Ellis.

Edited by Kenny F'ing Powers, 04 March 2012 - 08:42 AM.

[mpx42]

Marshawn Lynch contract extension with Seattle: 4 years, $31 million, 18 guaranteed.