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[Hendu's Gait]

Infinitely tougher division the Giants played in and they played Green Bay, New Orleans and SF on top of it.

They got swept by "tough" Washington. By 2 touchdowns each loss.

And lost to each of those OOD tough teams in the regular season.

Edited by Hendu's Gait, 05 February 2012 - 10:38 PM.

[mascho]

I think the reason this loss is hitting so hard is because it is forcing me to address the concept of the end of Brady's career. Will he get back to a Super Bowl? I don't know. Has he underperformed in recent playoff runs? Certainly. The Brady Era has been so much fun to watch and it's like getting to the end of a great book...you know the end is around the corner and it's depressing seeing it on the horizon.

And hearing a "Let's go Giants" chant outside my fucking Washington DC condo makes me glad there is a waiting period to purchase a handgun.

[Domer]

In hindsight, I should not have bought champagne for this evening.

[SeoulSoxFan]

Anybody who starts talking about next season within the next month should be put to rest. I dont want to hear,think or see anything to do with football for a extended period of time. What a god damn kick in the balls.

Don't forget though, we got 2 first rounders and a huge cap room.

[PayrodsFirstClutchHit]

Are people really putting this on Welker? Brady played a mediocre game, Hernandez dropped a few and the defense couldn't stop the Giants when it counted. And Eil made a great throw and Manningham made an amazing catch to set up the last Giants score.

I know we want to look for goats but these games cannot simply be reduced to one or two plays. I mean the safety was awful but that wasn't the difference either.

The worst thing about the outcome of this game is the NY fans - especially the front-running cunts who latched on to this team when either (a) the Jets season ended or (b) those who decided to follow the Giants at the end of the season and just learned who JPP is (after the Sunday night game, I heard the "Giants fan" at work talk about how amazing he was, reciting the bio that the NBC crew used verbatim.

To the true Giants fans, congrats I guess...

Some of you are having trouble with a basic concept when it comes to the Welker play. Let me try to be clear.

IF WELKER CATCHES THAT FUCKING PASS THE GAME IS FUCKING OVER!

[Lack_of_Imagination]

Well at least it didnt end with a missed 32 yarder....ugh

[Three10toLeft]

The depressing part is... The Brady era began so incredibly, which makes it that much harder to see these missed opportunities for him to cement his legacy.

These past two SB's have taken a some of the shine off that resume. A great QB, but I don't think he has enough time to recover and still be mentioned in the same league as Montana.

[SeoulSoxFan]

Some of you are having trouble with a basic concept when it comes to the Welker play. Let me try to be clear.

IF WELKER CATCHES THAT FUCKING PASS THE GAME IS FUCKING OVER!

He was 4 feet in the air, twisting around.

[scottyno]

Don't forget though, we got 2 first rounders and a huge cap room.

so they'll turn those into 3 first round picks in 2017

[czar]

Are people really putting this on Welker? Brady played a mediocre game, Hernandez dropped a few and the defense couldn't stop the Giants when it counted. And Eil made a great throw and Manningham made an amazing catch to set up the last Giants score.

YEA! FUGGIN WES WELKER IS A DUMB CHOKER!!!11111

I don't see the need to distill this down to a single goat. Everyone will forget it just like all the "I hope Carl Crawford dies!" ended about 24 hours after the BAL game.

[MarcSullivaFan]

Hey, at least we're not Jets fans!

Congrats to the Giants. They were better, again.

No interest in bashing this Pats team. It was great run, with a miserable end. I suspect I'll tune in again next year.

[ilol@u]

Why the fuck did we play Crazy Train (again) for our enterance? That is why we lost. Douchebags. BB might as well wore a red hoodie and Brady should have gotten a hair-cut. Fucking douchebags.

[Reggie's Racquet]

In these types of games your QB has to step up. Unfortunately Brady's best years are behind him. This is a passing league. Brady no longer has the arm strength or the mobility to make the sensational play. He makes far more mental mistakes the he used to. The safety in this game and the stupid interception in the last game are just recent examples. Can't do that and win in this league.

Don't get me wrong. He is a great player at times but he is no longer consistently great.

[SeoulSoxFan]

so they'll turn those into 3 first round picks in 2017

A young team with the defensive core hitting their prime and best cap situation in the AFC on top of it.

[Three10toLeft]

so they'll turn those into 3 first round picks in 2017

Yeah, some great weapons look to be coming out around that time, Brady will have a full arsenal... Ooooffffffff

[Papo The Snow Tiger]

I wish I could go for a monthlong vacation to Austalia, New Zealand, Antarctica or anyplace where there won't be Giants fans. I live in central Connecticut, and I don't talk smack about the Pats, but starting tomorrow morning on the TV news, on the radio, and at work I'll hearing a lot of unmittigated douchbag Giants fans talking shit.

[Mystic Merlin]

I think the reason this loss is hitting so hard is because it is forcing me to address the concept of the end of Brady's career. Will he get back to a Super Bowl? I don't know. Has he underperformed in recent playoff runs? Certainly. The Brady Era has been so much fun to watch and it's like getting to the end of a great book...you know the end is around the corner and it's depressing seeing it on the horizon.

And hearing a "Let's go Giants" chant outside my fucking Washington DC condo makes me glad there is a waiting period to purchase a handgun.

Yeah, I hear you.

Brady was good today, good enough to win. Between the safety and the ball that was JUST off to Welker (although he should have caught it) it was also enough to lose. It is difficult to think that '04 may be the last time BB/Brady win it all, it really is. It sucks. It fucking sucks, in fact. But that is how it goes.

One bounce of the ball on any of the fumbles and the Patriots win, for example. What are you gonna do? I loved this team, I loved the ride, It sucks it had to end this way, it really does. But I am glad I was on board for the ride.

[Norm Siebern]

I wonder if this is the end. I haven't felt this way since the Magic beat the Celtics in five, and Bird got hurt and retired and Parrish and McHale were gone. Fucking fuck this really hurts. This team has given me so much joy over so many years. They don't deserve to go out like this. Fuck the haters. Seriously, fuck the whole lot of 'em. They have no fucking clue how much joy this team has brought me. None. I hope this is not the end, really hope not. They don't deserve it to be.

Inconsolable.

[Buck Showalter]

Eff you all for blaming Welker......

Brady needs to make that pass.....put it on the numbers and the SB is over.

Can't believe there's another opinion on this one

[shawnrbu]

A young team with the defensive core hitting their prime and best cap situation in the AFC on top of it.

No Super Bowl loser has even made the CCG in the past 19 seasons.

[ShaneTrot]

Fun season, shit happens. Comeback next season and kick ass.

(null)

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

the crap on tv is going to be unbearable for weeks... FUCK!!!

[Section15Box113]

Amazing thing on the Ninkovich offsides. It was very close. There was one replay from behind the line where you could see the center and #50. Looking at it in slo-mo, he was leaning but hadn't lifted a foot before the ball started backward.

Of course, I'd initially thought the call was that he was lined up in the neutral zone. Which is much more of a brain fart.

[Kull]

Anyone putting this loss on the Defense is a fucking moron. They forced a bunch of punts, made the Giants take their time going down the field, forced 3 fumbles, gave up a single long pass play (and that one a fantastic catch), and only allowed 4 scoring drives all game. They gave up the final TD for strategic reasons, and still held the Giants under 20 points (the safety was most certainly not on them). Who here would have been upset at a 19 point performance at the start of this game? Buehler?

[redsoxcentury]

the crap on tv is going to be unbearable for weeks... FUCK!!!

in NY, we have to deal with this for months and years. This is horrible.

[SemperFidelisSox]

Welker catching that ball would have been the nail IF they had finished the drive with a TD and gone up 9. No guarantee that drive finishes with a TD even if Welker makes the catch. Coming away with just a FG would have made it 20-15 with 4+ minutes left. Odds are Manning still goes right down the field against this defense for a game winning TD

[Domer]

Thank God I don't have ESPN. No temptation to watch for even a second.

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Some of you are having trouble with a basic concept when it comes to the Welker play. Let me try to be clear.

IF WELKER CATCHES THAT FUCKING PASS THE GAME IS FUCKING OVER!

And if Brady doesn't ground the pass and if the D doesn't have 12 men on the field and etc etc etc. Some of YOU are having trouble with a basic concept. The plays that occur at the start and middle of the game count too. And the Patriots didn't make some of those in addition to the Welker drop.

Clutch and goats are for the ESPN and Yahoo boards.

[Soxaholic]

Welker catching that ball would have been the nail IF they had finished the drive with a TD and gone up 9. No guarantee that drive finishes with a TD even if Welker makes the catch. Coming away with just a FG would have made it 20-15 with 4+ minutes left. Odds are Manning still goes right down the field against this defense for a game winning TD

This is a great point.

Edit: Probably not 4+ minutes left, but the general point still stands.

Edited by Soxaholic, 05 February 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[redsoxcentury]

Welker catching that ball would have been the nail IF they had finished the drive with a TD and gone up 9. No guarantee that drive finishes with a TD even if Welker makes the catch. Coming away with just a FG would have made it 20-15 with 4+ minutes left. Odds are Manning still goes right down the field against this defense for a game winning TD

there wouldn't have been 4+ minutes though, probably under 2 minutes for Eli to drive the field for a TD. For all intents and purposes, that was the game, but so was the incomplete pass that followed. too many "only ifs"

[BigMike]

Why not 20 players? Also a serious question.

Buddy Ryan actually did send out about 14 on one play a long time ago, basically taking advantage of the NFL rule and knowing he could just run the clock

Here is apparently Ryan's old late game defensive strategy
http://blogs.thescor...just-brilliant/



Not sure he ever used that but he did use his polish Punt formation

http://articles.lati...80_1_buddy-ryan

[ivanvamp]

Guys, Brady played a terrific game. One huge mistake (the INT), but even on that, he scrambled away to keep the play alive and the INT was a great catch by a Giant LB. So yeah, bad throw, but it didn't end up costing them. That ball to Welker should have been caught (not a great pass, but certainly good enough). Hernandez drops another one. Branch had one tipped. I mean, at one point the guy literally couldn't miss. He played well.

The defense played well too. Holding the NY offense to 19 points is a great job. The Giants made an unbelievable play on the Manningham catch, and the D couldn't get that last stop but again, 19 points allowed is terrific. They also caused 3 turnovers....but one was called back on a penalty, and the other two bounced right into the hands of the Giants - and *THAT* is just bad luck. Causing fumbles is a skill, but recovering them is almost total luck. The Giants got the right bounces twice. If Bradshaw's fumble is recovered by NE (which followed Brady's pick), NE gets the ball deep in NY territory and they almost certainly salt the game away right there.

Welker, for the most part, played well too. 7 rec, 60 yds, plus 21 yds rushing. He was fine...except for that one big play. Same thing with Hernandez (8-67, 1 td, but one big drop on the last drive).

The game came down to this: (1) the fumbles bouncing the Giants' way, and (2) Welker not making the catch while Manningham made his. Really, that's it.

NY is very, very fortunate. Here are the fumbles in their playoff games:

vs Atl - none
at GB - NY (0); GB (3 - all three recovered by NY)
at SF - NY (1 - recovered by NY); SF (4 - 2 recovered by NY)
vs NE - NY (3 - 2 recovered by NY; the other didn't count b/c of a penalty); NE (0)

So let's discard the fumble negated by the penalty tonight. That means in their 4-game playoff run, the Giants committed 3 fumbles and forced 7. That's 10 fumbles in all. And *8* of the 10 were recovered by NY. Again, forcing fumbles is a skill; recovering them is luck. They turned a 50% likelihood into an 80% reality. And that is luck, not skill.

[Domer]

Is there a football equivalent to "The Green Fields of the Mind" by Bart Giamatti? I need to feel better about things.

[scottyno]

Welker catching that ball would have been the nail IF they had finished the drive with a TD and gone up 9. No guarantee that drive finishes with a TD even if Welker makes the catch. Coming away with just a FG would have made it 20-15 with 4+ minutes left. Odds are Manning still goes right down the field against this defense for a game winning TD

if welker makes the catch pats have first down at the 20 with 4 minutes and giants have 1 timeout, pats could run 3 times and kick and the giants would have under 3 minutes with no timeouts needing a td

[mascho]

Yeah, I hear you.

Brady was good today, good enough to win. Between the safety and the ball that was JUST off to Welker (although he should have caught it) it was also enough to lose. It is difficult to think that '04 may be the last time BB/Brady win it all, it really is. It sucks. It fucking sucks, in fact. But that is how it goes.

One bounce of the ball on any of the fumbles and the Patriots win, for example. What are you gonna do? I loved this team, I loved the ride, It sucks it had to end this way, it really does. But I am glad I was on board for the ride.

Brady really was good enough to win. They convert that first down (with either Welker making that catch or some other way) and ice the game and he's the MVP.

If you had told me when this team was 5-3 that they'd even get to the Super Bowl I would have been over joyed. I thought this team was a year away from a great run, but this league is so tough, who knows what happens going forward? Super Bowl losers typically have a tough follow-up season.

They need a stud RB, and they need to add the necessary pieces to this defense. A legit edge pass rusher and some additions to the secondary.

I'm rambling. I'm just glad that my son is only seven months old and didn't have to experience this. He'll smile at me tomorrow morning when he wakes up, and that will help ease the pain.

[ivanvamp]

Some of you are having trouble with a basic concept when it comes to the Welker play. Let me try to be clear.

IF WELKER CATCHES THAT FUCKING PASS THE GAME IS FUCKING OVER!

That is not at all certain. The Giants could have held NE to a FG with a minute and a half left in the game. That, apparently, is plenty of time for Eli to work his last-minute magic.

[PayrodsFirstClutchHit]

He was 4 feet in the air, twisting around.

And to quote Collinsworthless "Welker catches that pass 99 times out of a 100"

[Gene Conleys Plane Ticket]

Some of you are having trouble with a basic concept when it comes to the Welker play. Let me try to be clear.

IF WELKER CATCHES THAT FUCKING PASS THE GAME IS FUCKING OVER!

True dat.

Yes, it's a total team loss. But the fact remains, if Welker makes a catch he should have made, it's a total team win.

For some reason, this loss is hitting me harder than 2007. That one was just so stunning and flukey, I actually got past it pretty easily. But this one seems like it could have been won 15 times over, but it just wasn't. They beat themselves. Manning played just fine and the Giants were good, but the Patriots made some terrible mistakes that were nobody's fault but their own, and even one of them not being made causes the game to go the other way.

I still believe that they could play this game 100 times and the Pats would win 85-90 times. But they didn;t win this one and that hurts.

[Domer]

Llistening to Welker's press conference is heart-breaking.

[Hendu's Gait]

the crap on tv is going to be unbearable for weeks... FUCK!!!

I'm so far behind on DVR and OnDemand, it's avoidable.

[ifmanis5]

in NY, we have to deal with this for months and years. This is horrible.

QFT

[Domer]

And to quote Collinsworthless "Welker catches that pass 99 times out of a 100"

Correction, he said 100 times out of 100. (Michaels added that was number 101.)

[Hendu's Gait]

in NY, we have to deal with this for months and years. This is horrible.

New York sucks. Move out.

[mascho]

I'm going to spend all of the time the next few weeks that I usually spend listening to/watching sports news working out and having sex with my wife.*

*So in all likelihood I'll be playing a ton of Skyrim.

[jmm57]

And to quote Collinsworthless "Welker catches that pass 99 times out of a 100"

He actually said 100 times out of 100. Which didn't make a ton of sense. Michaels followed up with "well that must have been 101."

[Three10toLeft]

Llistening to Welker's press conference is heart-breaking.

Any quotes?

I've honestly shut the tv off and turned the phone off. I don't really want to venture outside of this thread right now either.

[Domer]

Only two weeks until pitchers and cath... fuck Nick Punto.

[BigSoxFan]

Llistening to Welker's press conference is heart-breaking.

Watching Welker fuck up a catch every Giants receiver makes was too.

[ilol@u]

And to quote Collinsworthless "Welker catches that pass 99 times out of a 100"

I believe the idiot said "Welker makes that catch 100 times out of 100". I will never be able to hear Cris Collinsworth without thinking of this game, just like I can't hear Joe Buck talk without thinking of Patriots of 07 and the 2004 ALCS.

[Obscure Name]

And to quote Collinsworthless "Welker catches that pass 99 times out of a 100"

Actually he said 100 times out of 100. To which Michaels said something like, "Well I guess that was 101."

Wow I'm slow.

FUCK EVERYTHING

Edited by Obscure Name, 05 February 2012 - 10:50 PM.