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[cshea]

I doubt Columbus wants anyone currently in the NHL - they need to rebuild from the bottom up with young guys. They really have no core to build off of right now.

Nash is the kind of goal scoring winger (30+ in last 5 of 6 seasons) the Bruins have wanted/needed for a while. He's not Kessel soft, and he's consistently elite. He's played in 70+ games in all but one full season in his career, so he's durable. He's still young (only 27)..I mean, he's the kind of guy that takes the Bruins from top 5 to elite in a cocaine heartbeat.

I think a package of 2012 and 2013 1st round picks, Knight, and Koko could be enough.

His $7.8 cap hit through 2018 is a big problem, in my opinion. Especially given Nash's lack of production. He's been a 65ish point player the past few seasons. The Bruins are getting similar production out of Lucic at half the cost. It's fair to assume Nash's production increases if he joins a better team, but by how much? Enough to justify $7.8 mil per year? I think that is way too much for the B's who need to retain some of the core guys over the next few years.

The other thing is Nash is a LW. The Bruins have Lucic and Marchand as the 2 LW in the top 6. So either you bump one of them down to the 3rd line to accommodate Nash (and both players are outproducing Nash at the moment), or you move Nash/Lucic/Marchand to their off wing. I don't know how feasible that is.

Edit: I would think the Jackets would list Tuukka as the centerpiece of a Nash package as well. I don't the B's go for that.

Edited by cshea, 14 February 2012 - 11:46 AM.

[PedroSpecialK]

I would just say no to Nash. The expected value of getting a consistent 30-35 goal scorer on a $7.8m cap hit for this year + 5 more is far outweighed by that of the 2012/2013 picks on 3 years of ELC and two of Knight/Spooner/Khokhlachev on ELCs.

[Spaulding Smails]

If the Bruins are going to have that kind of cap hit on the books I would prefer it be Suter or Parise as a FA. Nash is a great player but for the package needed to acquire him plus the cap hit I say no freaking way.

Edited by Spaulding Smails, 14 February 2012 - 12:59 PM.

[TheShynessClinic]

[kenneycb]

Meh, half of those were scored against Chris Osgood. I could do that.

Edited by kenneycb, 14 February 2012 - 01:11 PM.

[TheShynessClinic]

All he does is win. win. win.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Dojji weighs in with his deadline thoughts:

I still think Vermette would be a solid target if we want to pick up pieces from the Bruins.

Would people deal Krejci for Vermette and Tyutin?

Edited by Jed Zeppelin, 14 February 2012 - 01:43 PM.

[Curtis_Lesspanic]

I will be very dissapointed if nothing is done to this roster aside from adding some random flotsam and jetsam, especially with Horton in head injury limbo. This isn't like last year where they can just plug in a potential rookie superstar when someone goes down.

That being said, I really don't want to give up what It would take for Rick Nash and that 8 million dollar cap hit. Given the potential labor freak out this offseason, I'd perfer as few potentially crippling long term commitments as possible.

[SoxScout]

Carolina Hurricanes winger Tuomo Ruutu, mentioned often in trade rumors, will be out until after the trade deadline.

The team said Tuesday that he's expected to miss three weeks with an upper-body injury. The deadline is Feb. 27.

Ruutu was checked by Montreal Canadiens forward Tomas Plekanec four minutes into Monday's game on what appeared to be an innocent hit. He never returned and had an MRI on Tuesday.

http://www.usatoday....line/53095652/1

Edited by SoxScout, 14 February 2012 - 06:34 PM.

[MiracleOfO2704]

Did Dojji really say that? CBJ do that in less than a cocaine heartbeat, and Chiarelli, as well as the rest of the Bruins staff above Section 326 usher, reject that deal just as fast. Then again, what do you expect from that guy at this stage?

As far as a decent move, any idea if Ryan Whitney gets moved? I'd get in on that for a Corvo replacement.

[cshea]

Per Dreger/McKenzie, Marek Zidlicky has waived his NTC for New Jersey. The deal is not done yet, but presumably it'll get done shortly.

So we can cross Zidlicky off the list, and this should also set the market on defenseman.

[SoxScout]

The Blue Jackets contacted Nash and his agent, Toronto-based Joe Resnick, over the weekend, asking if Nash would be willing to waive his no-movement clause to facilitate a trade.

True to his words to The Dispatch last month, Nash said he would not stand in the way of a trade if management thought it would improve the Blue Jackets. He supplied the club with a list of teams — no more than 10, a source said — to which he would approve a trade. Among the clubs believed to be interested are the New York Rangers, Los Angeles, San Jose, Toronto and Montreal.

The Dispatch notes that the Blue Jackets will be looking for a combination of young, proven players, high-end prospects and draft picks in return.

http://www.sportsnet...hockey_hearsay/

Survey says," Yes." I took a small poll of GMs and execs, asking if there is any chance Nash and the Blue Jackets could patch things up in true Valentine's Day spirit. One brought up Steve Yzerman and Detroit, which is a great argument. But others pointed out that Yzerman never wanted to leave, while Nash clearly is ready to go.

"You can't go back now," one GM said. But he and others believe the deal won't get done until the draft.

While it'll be painful to have this drag, it's probably for the best. Only one team is going to get Zach Parise, which will make Nash an even hotter commodity. Maybe another team makes a run and appeals to him. The trade contenders will have time to work their budgets/cap space.

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...plications.html

[cshea]

LA and Vancouver make the most sense, if they can figure out the salary cap. Both those teams can offer up a young, cost controlled goalie as a centerpiece, which the Jackets are probably looking for.

He's a lazy fuck, but if LA is desperate to move money to fit Nash in, I'd take Penner in a reverse of the Sturm trade. He could be the "future consideration" Expiring at the end of the year, so no long term commitment. If he doesn't work, put him back in the press box or waive him. But he was a playoff stud at one point, so it might be worth a roll of the dice.

[Spaulding Smails]

LA and Vancouver make the most sense, if they can figure out the salary cap. Both those teams can offer up a young, cost controlled goalie as a centerpiece, which the Jackets are probably looking for.

He's a lazy fuck, but if LA is desperate to move money to fit Nash in, I'd take Penner in a reverse of the Sturm trade. He could be the "future consideration" Expiring at the end of the year, so no long term commitment. If he doesn't work, put him back in the press box or waive him. But he was a playoff stud at one point, so it might be worth a roll of the dice.

It's an interesting idea and perhaps worth a shot, Sutter pretty much killed what little value he had left (none) by coming out and saying:

Q: What’s the scenario for Penner right now? What’s the message or what do you need to see?
Sutter: “Work your ass off. Then you get a chance to play again. If you don’t, you don’t. It’s pretty clear.”
Q: Is he back to square one as far as that’s concerned?
Sutter: “I think when you’re told to work your ass off, that IS square one.”

http://prohockeytalk...ks-his-ass-off/

Edit: Although I would rather take Knuble over Penner at this point if the Bruins were to make that kind of move, at least Knuble has a heartbeat despite the erroding skills.

Edited by Spaulding Smails, 15 February 2012 - 01:11 PM.

[SoxScout]

The main attraction is Nash.


Boston, Los Angeles, the Rangers, San Jose and Toronto are believed to be on the approved list for Nash — he would have to waive a no-movement clause in his contract before he could be traded — but the return the Blue Jackets seek could vary widely from club to club.

http://www.bluejacke...e-for-nash.html

[RedOctober3829]

What would it take for the Rangers to acquire Nash? Callahan/Kreider/Haglan/future 1st?

[PedroSpecialK]

No chance they'd trade their captain. Kreider, Hagelin, 1st might be the best package CBJ can get for that awful contract, and even then I don't think the Rangers would do it, even though they have accrued enough cap space.

[cshea]

I'm guessing the Jackets would want either Del Zotto or McDonaugh as the centerpiece off the NHL roster, then fill in with Kreider and picks. No chance they get Callahan. The Rangers would be dumb to get involved. They've got a good thing going, I don't see why they'd want a shakeup. Off his list, LA makes the most sense. Vancouver matches up well with Columbus but they don't really have a need for Nash. Ditto Philly. Toronto could use Nash, but they don't really have the assets to get him. San Jose could work, but I don't think they have a lot to offer Columbus. It's nice to know the B's are desired destination for a guy like Nash, but his contract is not feasible for the Bruins.

They aren't on his list, but if they could find a way to make it work in their budget, Nash would be a great with the Preds.

[The Four Peters]

It's kinda funny that the one year I actually want them to go after Erik Cole at the deadline, he's on the Habs. I think he would fit perfectly on this team's 3rd line based on his play this year, there's just no way in hell the Canadiens would trade him to Boston.

I've been thinking about the market for forwards and I really don't know who would make sense for them. Obviously their course of action rests heavily on the health of Horton and PEverley, but even if they are going to be questionable going forward, who would they target for a big splash? I don't see Nash making sense for them whatsoever, so I'm kinda drawing a blank. I'd still love for them to make a run at Iginla, but I know there's no chance that Calgary lets him go. Who is left? I'm drawing blanks.

[PedroSpecialK]

All of these guys are impending UFAs:

Selanne, if the Ducks fall out of it, can dictate where he goes - if they're still out of the playoff picture in a week and a half, I fully expect him to be moved for a 1st and a good prospect.

Alex Semin but the B's wouldn't touch him with FL4WL3SS's dick

If Colorado were to tank for the next 10 days, Milan Hejduk would be an option but I get the feeling he'd just re-up with the Avs.

Jochen Hecht seems like a guy who'd slot in nicely on the 3rd line, and would be a Chia/Claude type of player. You could say at this stage that he's kind of a Chris Kelly clone, but I could see Buffalo sending him on his way for a 2013 2nd or 2012 3rd.

P.A. Parenteau - great numbers playing with Tavares, but overall, for me (and I imagine this FO) he's a do-not-want.

Other options that seem likely if Peverley's out long-term are Brad Boyes and Jason Blake. But in my eyes, I think they go for Hecht and a bottom-6er like Jackman along with a Tyutin type on the back end.

[The Four Peters]

Not sure where else to put this, but...

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
After signing Boychuk to extension this week, BOS has made contract ext offers to Kelly, Thornton, Campbell and Paille, all UFAs July 1.

[RedOctober3829]

@TSNBobMcKenzie


After signing Boychuk to extension this week, BOS has made contract ext offers to Kelly, Thornton, Campbell and Paille, all UFAs July 1.

http://twitter.com/T...337402173403136

[Jed Zeppelin]

Kelly's inevitable. Wish it wasn't, but it was inevitable the second they gave him the A. I predict I will be disappointed by the number.

edit: And that I will subsequently be made to eat crow by his playoff performance for the second straight year.

Edited by Jed Zeppelin, 16 February 2012 - 09:54 PM.

[Spaulding Smails]

Hopefully no more than 3 for Kelly, glad to hear they are trying to lock these guys up though.

[PedroSpecialK]

Happy to read that. Chia knows what he's doing, but unless he expects to get all four for $6.5m AAV or less, someone's gonna be gone - likely Krejci as they transition Seguin to center and Spooner/Khokhlachev get closer.

[TheShynessClinic]

At this point, only Hamilton should be untouchable from the not already on the roster group.

Edited by TheShynessClinic, 17 February 2012 - 11:58 AM.

[AMcGhie]

Aparrently Jack Johnson is available from the Kings, although is signed to ~4.25 til '18. Would Dougie/pick/Caron(or someone of that ilk) be worth it? Would he command a higher price? This market is crazy with people expecting crazy things for their players.

[Jed Zeppelin]

I haven't seen much of JJ and maybe I'm a complete homer but I wouldn't include Hamilton. Not for a career -88 who isn't an elite offensive D-man.

[Spaulding Smails]

JJ isn't in that same tier as Doughty, Weber and Keith which is the only tier of defensemen I would consider trading Hamilton for.

[cshea]

LA probably wouldn't do that either. They wouldn't want futures foe JJ, they're looking for a guy that can put the puck in the net now. They're a playoff team right now, but they lost 1-0 again last night. The rumor was they may offer JJ in a package for Nash.

[jsinger121]

Montréal Canadiens @CanadiensMTL
Canadiens acquire B. Geoffrion, R. Slaney, and 2nd round draft pick in 2012 from NSH for H. Gill and a conditional 5th round pick in 2013

[PedroSpecialK]

That's a pretty big return for Gill, could this finally be a good move by Gauthier? Geoffrion wasn't gonna work out in Nashville but he could pick it up in Montreal, Slaney's trash.

[PedroSpecialK]

[TheShynessClinic]

Nashville acquiring a defensemen in expectation of losing one? Hmmmmm?

[cshea]

Acquiring Geoffrion is probably some sort of a peace offering to all the people up there that are pissed off at Cunnyworth not speaking french.

[The Napkin]

Maybe now that he's not a Hab Shanny will give him his suspension

[PedroSpecialK]

Acquiring Geoffrion is probably some sort of a peace offering to all the people up there that are pissed off at Cunnyworth not speaking french.

Say goodbye to your hockey career, Blake Geoffrion, and hello to crippling expectations.

[Haunted]

Stolen from twitter:

Montreal loses about 2 feet in average height with this trade.

[ngruz25]

Acquiring Geoffrion is probably some sort of a peace offering to all the people up there that are pissed off at Cunnyworth not speaking french.

He's from Florida, so is the Quebecois last name enough to appease those people?

Oh, I didn't even think of the grandfather angle.

Edited by ngruz25, 17 February 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[Daws213]

He's from Florida, so is the Quebecois last name enough to appease those people?

Oh, I didn't even think of the grandfather angle.

Howie Morenz is also his great grandfather

[PedroSpecialK]

I guess that's why they called him "Boom Boom"

[Tyrone Biggums]

That's a pretty big return for Gill, could this finally be a good move by Gauthier? Geoffrion wasn't gonna work out in Nashville but he could pick it up in Montreal, Slaney's trash.

Hal Gill? He fetched a 2nd rounder? I didn't know they shortened the draft to two rounds...great move by the Scabs

[SoxScout]

Sportsnet can confirm that Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Brian Burke met with Columbus Blue Jackets general manager Scott Howson this morning at a New York City hotel. Burke was in New York for an HBO taping when he ran into Howson and the two managers decided to talk over breakfast. As reported earlier, Damien Cox confirmed the Leafs were on a short list provided by Rick Nash to the Blue Jackets of teams that he would consider waiving his no-trade clause for.


It is believed any deal between Toronto and Columbus would have to include a combination of players that could include Nazem Kadri, Luke Schenn, Nikolai Kulemin and possibly James Reimer.

http://www.sportsnet...wson_rick_nash/

[Haunted]

That doesn't seem like that great a deal from Columbus. But then again, what do we expect from that organeezation?

[Tyrone Biggums]

That doesn't seem like that great a deal from Columbus. But then again, what do we expect from that organeezation?

If Columbus can get Schenn and Reimer with another 1 - 2 pieces I think it would be a pretty solid return for a rebuilding organization.

[TheShynessClinic]

If Columbus can get Schenn and Reimer with another 1 - 2 pieces I think it would be a pretty solid return for a rebuilding organization.

...what?

Reimer is awful. Like, actually not good at all.

And Schenn is no great shakes either. He's a big defensive defensemen who's not that good at defense.

If that's all Columbus can get for Rick fucking Nash (all he does is win) they're not trying.

[PedroSpecialK]

Yeah Reimer/Schenn/Kadri look to be hugely overhyped by the Toronto media machine. The package I'd take if I were Howson would be something like Gardiner, Kulemin, and Gustavsson while Toronto takes Mason to bury him in hte minors. I think Burke is done trading 1sts away for a while.

[TheShynessClinic]

Yeah Reimer/Schenn/Kadri look to be hugely overhyped by the Toronto media machine. The package I'd take if I were Howson would be something like Gardiner, Kulemin, and Gustavsson while Toronto takes Mason to bury him in hte minors. I think Burke is done trading 1sts away for a while.

Kadri still has potential at least. Toronto has done a terrible job of bringing him up and acclimating him to the NHL game though (Praise be to Chia and Julien for their handling of Seguin).

Schenn has been up with the big boys now for 3 full seasons plus every game of this one, and he's shown little improvement.

If Toronto is going to be giving up assets for Nash, I agree with you about Gardiner, but think Grabobski and Colborne would be going as well.

[PedroSpecialK]

Given Nash's cap hit and term relative to his production, I don't think he'll get more than one great piece back really. Kulemin's having a down year, Gustavsson's not good and burying Mason would be a net win for Toronto. I don't think they'd move Grabovski as he's the closest thing to a #1 center they have - and Colborne represents the only other potential one.

Come to think of it, maybe they were discussing Jeff Carter.

[SoxScout]

COLUMBUS DISPATCH: Aaron Portzline reports of the sub-plots involved as the Blue Jackets field offers for Rick Nash. He claims Nash has provided GM Scott Howson a list of teams he’d prefer being dealt to, but Howson is also speaking with other clubs not on this list. Blue Jackets senior advisor Craig Patrick is doing the bulk of the work on this but Howson has the final say. They’re seeking value in return but not limited to any one position. Portzline claims many around the league believe the Bruins are trying to put together a deal for Nash. The Rangers and Kings are also linked to Nash. Michael Arace, meanwhile, believes the Jackets are “behind the 8-ball” by dangling their star on the trade market this close to the deadline.

Following the link leads to a musing of a puke-inducing offer of Rask, Dougie and a pick, however.