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[soxhop411]

RT @tbrownyahoo: Source: Prince is very close to a nine-year contract with the Detroit Tigers, according to sources.

Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
prince agrees with #tigers

Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
price deal is $214M, 9 yrs. #tigers

Edited by soxhop411, 24 January 2012 - 03:04 PM.

[E5 Yaz]

jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick
I just got a text from Scott Boras on Prince Fielder: "No deals. Still working.''

[Brianish]

Just saw that. They can't possibly be thinking of paying him prime money to DH, can they? There's no way they're that dumb; they're already paying Vmart over ten mill to NOT DH.

Angels aside, I'm not sure I can think of a team less suited to Fielder.

Edited by Brianish, 24 January 2012 - 03:07 PM.

[Seabass177]

Brown tweeted that about 10 minutes after Crasnick.

You don't give Prince a 9 year deal. You don't give Prince a 9 year deal to be your DH.

Crazy.

[jsinger121]

JonHeymanCBS



price deal is $214M, 9 yrs. #tigers

[uncannymanny]

You don't give Prince a 9 year deal. You don't give Prince a 9 year deal to be your DH.

Crazy.

Exactly this. $24MM/yr for a DH with weight issues? Bonkers.

[Rasputin]

That strikes me as unwise.

[Corsi]

FWIW, his dad lost his power stroke at age 32.

Prince will be 28 in May.

[Chemistry Schmemistry]

It will sure get the locals pumped up even more - we still remember dad fondly. Not so certain it's good for the long-term health of the franchise.

[Corsi]

Heyman says Prince will play 1B; Cabrera will be changing roles.

[Hendu for Kutch]

This seems fishy. They've already decided that V-Mart can't catch (and I don't see how a torn ACL is going to improve that), so they're going to pay 3 1B/DH a combined $57M per year for the next 3 seasons?

[Seabass177]

This deal makes me really appreciate Adrian Gonzalez.

What, exactly, do they do with Victor in 2013?

[glennhoffmania]

To what? I don't see him a 3B anymore.

Edit- re: Miggy

Edited by glennhoffmania, 24 January 2012 - 03:16 PM.

[Yazdog8]

Heyman says Prince will play 1B; Cabrera will be changing roles.

Where do you play Cabrera? OF? He's too big to play third any more.

edit: clarity

Edited by Yazdog8, 24 January 2012 - 03:18 PM.

[dewystoetap]

I find it hard to believe that he will hold up until 37. Cabrara has been a DH in the making for a couple of years.

[czar]

Nate Silver tweets "Having a roster with 3 catchers and 6 DHs is the new Moneyball"

Yes.

Regardless, this whole "will Miggy move across the diamond" question is so next year.

[SoxScout]

Verlander, Cabrera, Fielder. Should be a fun opening series for the Sox.

[soxhop411]

a--gon deal looks better each day

[AlNipper49]

Prince and Miggy are the Natural Disasters of MLB

[benhogan]

Just glad he didn't end up DHing for the MFY.

[gammoseditor]

It always amazes me when Scott Boras gets a team to big against itself. Who else was coming close to this offer?

[DrewDawg]

It always amazes me when Scott Boras gets a team to big against itself.  Who else was coming close to this offer?

Mystery team!!!!

[DrewDawg]

It always amazes me when Scott Boras gets a team to big against itself.  Who else was coming close to this offer?

Mystery team!!!!

[soxhop411]

Phi signs cliffs lee-mysteryteam
LAA signs albert-mystery team
DET-sings prince- mystery team

[E5 Yaz]

[Reggie's Racquet]

And this is why we should be prepared to say goodbye to Jacoby when he becomes a free agent. Can you imagine what Boras will get for him?

[dewystoetap]

It always amazes me when Scott Boras gets a team to big against itself. Who else was coming close to this offer?

Tell that to Ryan Madson.

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Edited by dewystoetap, 24 January 2012 - 03:48 PM.

[Orel Miraculous]

Damn, I was really rooting for Natstown. Another reason for them to hate Jayson Werth.

[loshjott]

It always amazes me when Scott Boras gets a team to big against itself. Who else was coming close to this offer?

Maybe the Nats. A wink wink nudge nudge deal to go easy when Strasburg or Harper comes up for free agency.

[Brianish]

Maybe the Nats. A wink wink nudge nudge deal to go easy when Strasburg or Harper comes up for free agency.

If it ever came out that he actually did that, Strasburg or Harper would sue him into the ground, and they would be right to do so.

[TheGazelle]

What an unbelievably stupid deal. They simply don't have room for Victor/Miggy/Prince at the same time.

[AimingForYoko]

Heard this Felger and Mazz....thought they were joking...

How incredibly stupid. I understand going all in for the win now, but jesus.

[Spacemans Bong]

The only way I can justify this deal is that Illitch desperately wants to win a World Series before he dies (He's going to be 83 this year) and he simply doesn't give a fuck what happens to the Tigers after that.

[rembrat]

Matthew Kory

By having Fielder and Cabrera on the corners, Tigers hope field will tilt causing all grounders to go foul.

https://twitter.com/#!/mattymatty2000/status/161906270197129216

The deal is crazy, it is nuts, but screw it, it ain't my money. Besides that division needed some life plugged into it.

[MakMan44]

Honestly though, this works out well for the Red Sox. The Tigers have all but locked up the Central with this move, less competition for the wild card spots.


Edited: Clearer point

Edited by MakMan44, 24 January 2012 - 06:37 PM.

[MikeM]

Well, at least we can finally hand over the dunce hat to this year's winner.

So is this the part where we now see Cashman spin Burnett+ into Cabrera? (kidding...)

[soxhop411]

after this, A-gon deal is a steal compared to what the other 1B are getting

[HangingW/ScottCooper]

The only way this makes sense to me is if the move Cabrera after 2012. Perhaps they viewed Cabrera and his off the field issues to be too probematic and are spending $214 million to hedge their bets.

Either that or it's just a bad deal with no logical explanation. Also, so much for my thought that Salty could be a Victor Martinez replacement.

Edit: Also, this money should have gone to a starter to backup Verlander. They already had that division locked up for the next 2-3 years. Verlander's window is now - get another starting picher to help you win a World Series.

Edited by HangingW/ScottCooper, 24 January 2012 - 04:28 PM.

[MakMan44]

The only way I can justify this deal is that Illitch desperately wants to win a World Series before he dies (He's going to be 83 this year) and he simply doesn't give a fuck what happens to the Tigers after that.

Sounds like Yawkey. Wonder if it will work out better for Ilitch

[jon abbey]

Verlander's window is now - get another starting picher to help you win a World Series.

Fister/Scherzer/Porcello is a pretty solid 2-4, all pitched well in the playoffs last year, at least until the last game where Scherzer got shelled. You could maybe argue that Edwin Jackson was a better fit if DET wanted to spend big on a FA after V-Mart's injury, but they've never done things especially conventionally there.

[Beomoose]

Crazy deal, were the Tigers really this desperate for a big bat or did they just want another Fielder in their legacy?

[HangingW/ScottCooper]

Fister/Scherzer/Porcello is a pretty solid 2-4, all pitched well in the playoffs last year, at least until the last game where Scherzer got shelled. You could maybe argue that Edwin Jackson was a better fit if DET wanted to spend big on a FA after V-Mart's injury, but they've never done things especially conventionally there.

If your objective is to win the World Series, they need another starter to fit in between Verlander and Fister to have a much better chance. $51.7 million was a very steep posting fee for Darvish, but I think spending the total of $111.7 million on Darvish over 6 years makes a lot more sense for the Tigers than spending $214 million on Prince over 9 years. If not Darvish, they could have gone after Buehrle, or CJ Wilson (although Wilson didn't exactly look great in the 2011 playoffs).

I love Fielder, but this isn't the right move for the Tigers. They already had his division wrapped up by 5-10 games. They needed to make a move that would help them win the World Series, and I don't think this was it.

[santadevil]

If Pujols got 254 mill and could have gotten 275 from the Marlin, there is an actual shot of Fielder getting 300$, especially with Boras as his agent

Not a chance and I'll wager a Jimmy Fund donation to back that up.
$50

Are you game?

Damn, I wish he would have responded to my bet.

Anyway, $214M is crazy. As much as I love Fielder and his personality, this is going to be the ugly "unmovable" contract for the final 3-5 years, that is referenced MLB writers and internet posters for years to come.

[jon abbey]

If your objective is to win the World Series, they need another starter to fit in between Verlander and Fister to have a much better chance. $51.7 million was a very steep posting fee for Darvish, but I think spending the total of $111.7 million on Darvish over 6 years makes a lot more sense for the Tigers than spending $214 million on Prince over 9 years. If not Darvish, they could have gone after Buehrle, or CJ Wilson (although Wilson didn't exactly look great in the 2011 playoffs).

Right, I don't disagree, but the timing was wrong for all of those guys. Clearly this was a reaction by Ilitch to V-Mart going down for the year, all of those pitchers were off the board by then. And they may think that Jacob Turner will be ready sometime this year, in which case their rotation would already be full, and full for the foreseeable future, as all of those guys are under team control for at least the next three years.

[MakMan44]

Damn, I wish he would have responded to my bet.

Anyway, $214M is crazy. As much as I love Fielder and his personality, this is going to be the ugly "unmovable" contract for the final 3-5 years, that is referenced MLB writers and internet posters for years to come.

Hahaha, sorry man I didn't realistically think he had a shot at getting 300$ mill but I'll make sure to donate money to the Jimmy fund next time I go to a game.

[EddieYost]

And this is why we should be prepared to say goodbye to Jacoby when he becomes a free agent. Can you imagine what Boras will get for him?

Maybe they should start thinking about trading him.

[MakMan44]

Maybe they should start thinking about trading him.

That's a discussion I'm sure the FO is having, along with what it would indeed take to keep him. Seriously though, he needs another year in the ballpark of what he did last year to really cement that the Sox will not be able to keep him.

[jon abbey]

The kind of fascinating part about this to me is that while the rest of baseball is focusing on improving their defense in the post-steroid/amphetamine era, Detroit is piling up fat sluggers like a slow-pitch softball team. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

[E5 Yaz]

Honestly though, this works out well for the Sox. The Tigers have all but locked up the Central with this move, less competition for the wild card spots.

Umm, what???

If Detroit has locked up the division, why wouldn't the Twins, for example, still be in play for a wild card spot?

Edited by E5 Yaz, 24 January 2012 - 06:31 PM.

[jon abbey]

Heh, I forgot they have Delmon Young too, so once Martinez is back, that is four guys who are probably best off at DH, three of whom can play 1B adequately.