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[Foulkey Reese]

Carl Crawford underwent an arthroscopic procedure to remove cartilage in his left wrist today.

Should be ready to play "early in the season.

Crawford experienced "increased soreness" in that left wrist when he was ramping up his off-season hitting.

https://twitter.com/.../TBritton_Projo

Wonder how early "early in the season" is?

Edit: Also...

Cherington says wrist was bothering Crawford at the end of last season.

Of course it was.

Edited by Foulkey Reese, 17 January 2012 - 03:40 PM.

[Clears Cleaver]

Crawford has a chance to become the worst signing in Sox history. Amazing to say with Lackey already on the team

[EddieYost]

They say mid to late January is the best time for off season surgery. Oh wait a minute, no they don't.

[glennhoffmania]

Seriously, they address this now? Why wasn't he getting an MRI in October and fixing whatever it is then? Jesus Christ.

[rembrat]

Pete Abraham


Crawford felt pain when he started working out this winter. Cherington says #RedSox not ruling out Opening Day. But sounds unlikely.

Sweet.

[Foulkey Reese]

Funny thing is that any scrub they pick up now will probably out perform 2011 Crawford.

[glennhoffmania]

I want to know more about this discomfort at the end of last season. If Ben knew about it, what was done? Anything? Ice and rest?

[mauidano]

WTF? Someone had to know about this earlier, doncha think? This news will not make many happy at the moment. Crawford has a long ways to go to recoup "good faith" and this doesn't help. However, accepting that this is the way it is, get it done and get ready. FFS!!!

Could be worse however, V-Mart blows out a knee while doing HIS conditioning. Possibly done for the season.

[Yazdog8]

Crawford has a chance to become the worst signing in Sox history. Amazing to say with Lackey already on the team

If the Crawford signing means the Sox don't have the cash to pony up for Ellsbury when he hits the market, heads will explode.

[Seels]

Eh, who cares really. It would be nice to get 2010 Crawford on the team, but that seems unlikely, so really what's the difference if this version misses games or not.

[jsinger121]

I want to know more about this discomfort at the end of last season. If Ben knew about it, what was done? Anything? Ice and rest?

The rest and recovery bullshit never works for the Sox. Get the fucking surgery done with ASAP and start the recovery. It cost development time to Kalish, Matsuzaka could have been back sooner if he had it. Lackey could have gotten a head start as well. I'm sick of this organization's rest and rehab treatment.

Edited by jsinger121, 17 January 2012 - 03:49 PM.

[HomeBrew1901]

Wow, do people on here honestly think that this just popped up? Sounds to me like this was part of the plan all along, rest and rehab for a couple of months and if it doesn't get better by mid-January we'll operate.

[24JoshuaPoint]

Could be worse however, V-Mart blows out a knee while doing HIS conditioning. Possibly done for the season.

I dunno. Given the player I wouldn't mind an addition by subtraction in this case for a year (not wishing an injury on anyone but just saying). I keep trying to keep my chin up with this player but it's continually getting harder to do.

[Lose Remerswaal]

Wow, do people on here honestly think that this just popped up? Sounds to me like this was part of the plan all along, rest and rehab for a couple of months and if it doesn't get better by mid-January we'll operate.

He's had all of October (remember?), November, and December. If Opening Day is a question now, would two weeks ago to take action have been rushing things?

[rembrat]

Wow, do people on here honestly think that this just popped up? Sounds to me like this was part of the plan all along, rest and rehab for a couple of months and if it doesn't get better by mid-January we'll operate.

Maybe I'm not as cynical as others but I don't believe that. Things do just 'pop' up. Anyone who takes part in any kind of physical activity will tell you that.

[Plympton91]

So, now we know why Crawford sucked last season, he's getting it fixed and should be ready to contribute for most of 2012.

[/fantasyland]

[BrooklynDog45]

Now we know why he couldn't return his new managers phone calls for 3 weeks.

[Sprowl]

With Crawford and Kalish both on the shelf for the early season, we're going to be seeing way too much of Darnell McDonald. This offseason just keeps getting worse.

[E5 Yaz]

With Crawford and Kalish both on the shelf for the early season, we're going to be seeing way too much of Darnell McDonald. This offseason just keeps getting worse.

Well, there's Reddi ... oh

[Foulkey Reese]

Now we know why he couldn't return his new managers phone calls for 3 weeks.

That really happened?

[Rudy Pemberton]

With Crawford and Kalish both on the shelf for the early season, we're going to be seeing way too much of Darnell McDonald. This offseason just keeps getting worse.

Sadly, McDonald for Crawford may be an upgrade.

[Remagellan]

The rest and recovery bullshit never works for the Sox. Get the fucking surgery done with ASAP and start the recovery. It cost development time to Kalish, Matsuzaka could have been back sooner if he had it. Lackey could have gotten a head start as well. I'm sick of this organization's rest and rehab treatment.

Don't forget they did the same thing with Nomar and it cost him a season.

[reggiecleveland]

To be fair to Carl his wrist probably didn't hurt until he started making contact with the ball.

[mt8thsw9th]

Crawford has a chance to become the worst signing in Sox history.

Or they could finally have some logical explanation as to why he performed so poorly.

[Average Reds]

Wow, do people on here honestly think that this just popped up? Sounds to me like this was part of the plan all along, rest and rehab for a couple of months and if it doesn't get better by mid-January we'll operate.

The only times I can think of where rest and rehab have been tried was when the alternative was surgery that would mean missing a year or (in Schilling's case) end his career.

This is not the sort of injury that you would try to rest and rehab when surgery in October or November would have had him back at full strength at the start of Spring Training. To think otherwise is just ridicuous.

[Joshv02]

The rest and recovery bullshit never works for the Sox. Get the fucking surgery done with ASAP and start the recovery.

You have no idea, however, how many times it did work as those stories are not shared as often.

[BrooklynDog45]

Posted Today, 04:09 PM
Now we know why he couldn't return his new managers phone calls for 3 weeks

That really happened?

Yes.

http://bosoxinjectio...obby-valentine/

Edited by BrooklynDog45, 17 January 2012 - 04:31 PM.

[Toe Nash]

Maybe I'm not as cynical as others but I don't believe that. Things do just 'pop' up. Anyone who takes part in any kind of physical activity will tell you that.

How dare you write something sensible. Obviously the best explanation is that Crawford and the Red Sox medical staff are complete nincompoops who ignored an easily fixable problem until a late enough date that Crawford would miss time. Duh.

[rembrat]

The only times I can think of where rest and rehab have been tried was when the alternative was surgery that would mean missing a year or (in Schilling's case) end his career.

This is not the sort of injury that you would try to rest and rehab when surgery in October or November would have had him back at full strength at the start of Spring Training. To think otherwise is just ridicuous.

I agree. I immediately think of Pedroia in 2007. He played with a shit wrist from September all through the World Series and then had surgery 2 weeks following game 4.

[Savin Hillbilly]

Unless this becomes the impetus for the Sox to add a bench outfielder like Spilborghs, I assume it's going to mean a brief early-season promotion for somebody. Who do we think that will be? Linares? Hassan? Nava?

[Foulkey Reese]

Posted Today, 04:09 PM
Now we know why he couldn't return his new managers phone calls for 3 weeks



Yes.

http://bosoxinjectio...obby-valentine/

Holy shit. I can't believe I missed this. Doesn't really speak all that well of Crawford.

Edited by Foulkey Reese, 17 January 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

At this point, am I the only one who thinks Theo signed Lackey and Crawford knowing full-well he'd be working someplace else now, and it was all just a great big middle finger at LL........?

[HomeBrew1901]

Maybe I'm not as cynical as others but I don't believe that. Things do just 'pop' up. Anyone who takes part in any kind of physical activity will tell you that.

Sorry, I was responding to those that seemed to think the team wasn't being proactive in their approach to Crawford's injury. If something popped up during rehab, then shit just happens and things do pop up.

[curly2]

Or they could finally have some logical explanation as to why he performed so poorly.

There already was an explanation: 23 walks in 538 plate appearances. I don't think a bad wrist will make you swing at every pitch you see.

[NomarRS05]

Holy shit. I can't believe I missed this. Doesn't really speak all that well of Crawford.

Multiple but unconfirmed reports stated that Crawford was disgruntled with Valentine over the comments he made about Carl’s batting stance early last year when Bobby served as an analyst on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball.

Solid...I really don't understand how the medical staff let Crawford wait this long on the wrist injury.

[greek_gawd_of_walks]

While they're fixing his wrist, why not get him some Lasik.

Edited by greek_gawd_of_walks, 17 January 2012 - 05:21 PM.

[mauidano]

Holy shit. I can't believe I missed this. Doesn't really speak all that well of Crawford.

CC is not really in a position to present any type of an "attitude" in terms of communication. Possibly more to this than we knew but regardless, it's done. Move on, build a good relationship with each other. If this didn't have bad luck, he'd have no luck at all.

Edited by mauidano, 17 January 2012 - 05:31 PM.

[Al Zarilla]

If the Crawford signing means the Sox don't have the cash to pony up for Ellsbury when he hits the market, heads will explode.

Who does Ellsbury think he is becoming so good though?

[Marbleheader]

The Sox medical staff...a history of awesome. Crawford hasn't earned any benefit of the doubt either. Just rambling incompetence since September.

Tangent: The guy in my profile pic, Dale Alexander lived down the road from where I live now. I've been studying up on him. Sox got him for Earl Webb in what had the potential to be a historic fleecing. 1932 batting champ. Set a record for most RBI for a player in first 2 seasons (only Dimaggio surpassed him since). In 1933, he twists a knee in Philly, Red Sox trainer Doc Woods gives him 3rd degree burns in an experimental treatment, gangrene sets in...career over. Would have been a nice compliment to Double X and Ted. One of these centuries they'll get it figured out.

[radsoxfan]

If it truly was just a simple cartilage debridement procedure, I would be surprised if he wasn't back by opening day (or very close to it).

Of course, in theory he may have had more damage than is being reported, in which case all bets are off.

Edited by radsoxfan, 17 January 2012 - 07:03 PM.

[ThePieholeOfDavidWells]

Calm the fuck down everyone. Since it appears that no one can be bothered to take a break from jumping to conclusions to find out the back story, here's a little tiny bit from the Extra Bases blog:

"Crawford felt soreness when he started his offseason hitting workouts around Jan. 1. He had an MRI that showed cartilage damage, and arthroscopic surgery was recommended. Crawford has had wrist issues in the past, but the discomfort had always passed. Having such pain at this time of the year was a red flag."

The Sox medical staff jumped on this immediately and recommended surgery. The OLD regime that was in place before the end of the season obviously didn't see a need for surgery, and presumably neither did Crawford, since we have no report of him seeking a second opinion. AND, since he seems to have had wrist issues in the past, there is absolutely no reason to think that surgery should have or could have been the first option. As Matt Clement of Alexandria said over on BBTF, team medical staffs don't just have to keep players healthy, they have to keep them insanely healthy for extended periods of time.

[Rough Carrigan]

Funny thing is that any scrub they pick up now will probably out perform 2011 Crawford.

Carl Pipp?

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

CC is not really in a position to present any type of an "attitude" in terms of communication.

Really? What's the Red Sox going to do if they don't like CC's attitude? Not pay him?

Worst part about the contract.

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

With Crawford and Kalish both on the shelf for the early season, we're going to be seeing way too much of Darnell McDonald. This offseason just keeps getting worse.

Darnell McDonald? Forget that!

"Now starting in left-field, World Series Champion, Nick Puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunto!" </crowd going nuts>

[reggiecleveland]

Holy shit. I can't believe I missed this. Doesn't really speak all that well of Crawford.

Holy shit. I can't believe I missed this. Doesn't really speak all that well of Crawford.

Come on it is just one month! ONE MONTH of not phoning his manager. He has years and years at Tampa of returning calls promptly. Which do you think is the real Crawford? He projects as a 7 hour call back guy from here on in.

[BucketOBalls]

Or they could finally have some logical explanation as to why he performed so poorly.

This team needs a medical staff that doesn't take a year+ to realize that a player is injured. For this to be a reason for his suck he pretty much would have had to have had it when they signed him wouldn't he?


Might we be looking at the worst Sox OF ever if Ellsbury returns to earth?

Edited by BucketOBalls, 17 January 2012 - 11:16 PM.

[Buckner's Boots]

Who wants to talk to the new "boss" over vacation? They'll have all spring plus 162 games to get to know each other. Besides, why the hell does Bobby need to tell US that Carl wasn't returning his calls? Valentine's drama is already getting old.

[HriniakPosterChild]

Maybe Carl saw how Bobby treated a "just between us" conversation with Josh Beckett. Maybe.

[nothumb]

re: Bobby/ Carl.

Torn between being peeved at Crawford's attitude and general awfulness, and completely empathizing with his apparent hatred of the Sox hiring Bobby V.

At the end of the day I don't care if he talks to his manager so long as he conducts himself professionally when he reports to work. Piling on to him for this simply because I currently hate him for about 10 other reasons would be disingenuous.

Edited by nothumb, 18 January 2012 - 12:14 AM.

[ToeKneeArmAss]

At this point, am I the only one who thinks Theo signed Lackey and Crawford knowing full-well he'd be working someplace else now, and it was all just a great big middle finger at LL........?

Yes. Yes you are. This is the main board. Guys like you and me shouldn't be in here unless we have something useful to offer. To wit, STFU.

<crawling back into my hole now>