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#1 tims4wins


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:08 AM

Obviously, Brady had a wonderful overall game against Denver. You can't say much bad about 26-34, 363, 6 TDs, and 1 pick. I'm not starting this thread to criticize his performance or take anything away from what the Pats did on Saturday night.

However, the interception he threw felt reminiscent to me of the pick against the Jets in the first quarter of last year's playoff game, in that it was seemingly completely unforced and the ball just inexplicably got away from him. I'm not necessarily concerned about the pick, because all great QBs throw picks. However, on the next series, Brady seemed hesitant and a bit jittery to me. He wasn't very confident in his reads, and almost got picked again.

In last year's playoff game, it seemed like the pick really jolted his confidence, and the offense struggled to get on track. On Saturday night, the good news is that the offense got back on track after one more bad series.

Hopefully the jitters were caused by having lost a couple recent playoff games, and it certainly felt like the Pats got over that hump on Saturday night. But I have to admit that after the interception and the following series, I was legitimately worried about the offense going into a funk. It seems like Brady puts so much pressure on himself, and that he is taking these playoff games so seriously that he gets a little tight at times, since he knows he only has so many more shots at a title.

Am I overreacting to a couple bad series, or was/is there some reason for concern?

Edited by tims4wins, 16 January 2012 - 10:08 AM.


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:17 AM

Coop to thread.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:17 AM

"Am I overreacting to a couple bad series"

Yes.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:18 AM

Last year I agree, he was rattled by that pick (after not throwing one for like 400 passes) and it affected his play the rest of the game.

Regarding Saturday night, aside from the series immediately following the pick he played some of his best football ever. And that's saying something when we're talking about Tom Brady.

I'm not at all concerned, Brady looks motivated and just played an AMAZING game. Bring on Baltimore.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:19 AM

I think you're way overthinking this. The pass was supposed to be high because he was trying to throw over the defender to a jumping Gronkowski, so when it went a little bit higher than it was supposed to, it looked like he way overthrew it. A bad throw, but it happens to the best of them.

The next series, the pass he was almost intercepted on was perfectly fine. Gronk got knocked down in his route as Brady was throwing it. Nothing he could do there, it just looked ugly because Gronk wasn't where he was supposed to be due to the knockdown. He also completed a pass just fine between those two plays.

Much ado about nothing.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:21 AM

The opening drive was brilliant. I was pissed when he threw the pick, and so was he. The rest of the game spoke for itself. I actually haven't been this confident in Brady in quite a while.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:21 AM

Honestly, I was happy to see the reaction.

Even if you assume the ball sailed on him, which seems probable, it was a poor percentage throw from a risk/reward standpoint given where they were in the game and the nature of the opponent, whose only conceivable path to victory lay precisely in turnovers like this one.

Bears remembering this week against an opponent that can be offensively challenged at times -- and that will take throws like that into the end zone behind you.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:21 AM

Call me crazy, but I felt the same way when the pick happened... I even turned to my friend and said "oh no, here we go again.. Brady's going to press". Then he didn't which was really nice. I have to wonder if having McDaniels in the booth and in Brady's ear helped at all with that. I mean, McDaniels was Brady's QB coach for a couple of years before he became OC and then held both duties.. maybe it's just possible he knows Brady better than O'Brien does, not to take anything away from O'Brien either.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:22 AM

As much as we love to find patterns where none really exist, you really have to look at the two games, and the two picks, as completely distinct events.

That pick against Denver was a bad throw; it almost looked as if Carter was the intended receiver. But those happen to every QB once in a while. The first pass the following series was a nice screen to Gronkowski, who then picked up the first down. The "almost pick" was largely due to the fact that the intended receiver (I think it was Welker, but I'm going by memory here) was essentially picked off by the defender in a good defensive play; the contact was within 5 yards and before the ball was thrown, but it was enough to cause Welker to fall down before Brady had a chance to realize it and pull back his throw. And I think on the other incompletion in that series Brady was pressured for one of the few times all day.

So, to answer your question, yes, you are overreacting. A couple of bad series happen in every game.

The big difference between Denver and the Jets is that the Pats OL had a much better game against Denver. The big reason the Jets won was that they were able to get pressure rushing only 4; Denver rushed 4, but Brady had all day, so he was often able to find the 2nd and 3rd options.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:23 AM

Brady threw for 6 TDs. At the 'point of concern' he had already thrown for 2 and there was absolutely no sign that Denver could either score on their own or cover anyone. The ball floated. There was little to no sign of the happy feet that Brady had against the Jets last year.

How is there even a thread like this after such an awesome performance and absolute beatdown?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:25 AM

I don't know the number of snaps he played but it looked to me like he had two bad throws, one of which was picked. I think he was on fire for most of the game.

If the O Line doesn't protect well against Baltimore and the playcalling can't work through ways to solve protection issues, of course Brady and the offense could start to bog down. That's not exactly a news flash and Brady has been playing very well of late, but then again so were Brees and Rodgers.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:27 AM

Am I overreacting to a couple bad series, or was/is there some reason for concern?

A few reactions:

1. You were certainly not alone in thinking back to the Jets pick. The similarities were many. In both cases, Brady threw an inexplicable pass and handed the opponent life on a silver platter.

2. While I understand your trepidation, and agree that Brady was not himself on the next Broncos series (his throw after the near pick was way off the mark as well), I think that the Broncos game reinforced that when the line protects Brady, he'll bounce back quickly and eventually shred the opposing defense. This is all the more the case when his receiving corps includes Gronk, Welker, Branch and Hernandez.

3. All that said, the fact remains that Brady is almost certainly going to face more pressure from the Ravens than he did from the Broncos (the Ravens' last four games notwithstanding), and he's going to need to bounce back from negative circumstances.

4. Brady's demeanor against the Broncos reminded me of Johnny Damon against the MFYs in Game 7. Not tight, just incredibly focused, and not willing to smile or let up until the game is won. On the whole, it worked pretty damned well on Saturday night and I'll take my chances with the same approach on January 22.

Edited by TheoShmeo, 16 January 2012 - 10:27 AM.


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:29 AM

I'll say this - I was concerned at the time. It was a truly terrible throw that never had a chance. That being said, Brady obviously moved past it and had a stellar game.

The most important thing for this team is protecting Brady. If he has time to throw, I think they'll win.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:29 AM

I don't think the throw got away from him, I think Gronk ran a different route than Brady was expecting. Brady pointed to himself after to play so he seemingly admitted it was his fault, but I think it was a mental mistake rather than a bad throw.

To your main point, Tom Brady doesn't get "rattled" because he throws a pick. He got rattled against the Jets last year because the pass rush was in his face the whole game. If we're worrying about Brady's mental state, well...that's just silly. He has proven beyond any kind of doubt that he has what it takes mentally to perform at the highest level in the biggest games and doubting that is frankly stupid.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:34 AM

2. While I understand your trepidation, and agree that Brady was not himself on the next Broncos series (his throw after the near pick was way off the mark as well), I think that the Broncos game reinforced that when the line protects Brady, he'll bounce back quickly and eventually shred the opposing defense. This is all the more the case when his receiving corps includes Gronk, Welker, Branch and Hernandez.


This is true. And remember back to both the Jets game and the last Superbowl, Brady got hotter near the end of the game(s), but there just wasn't enough time left to overcome a bad quarter.

I think this is going to be one that's 10-10 at the half, but ends up 24-13 Pats or so.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:35 AM

Call me crazy, but I felt the same way when the pick happened... I even turned to my friend and said "oh no, here we go again.. Brady's going to press". Then he didn't which was really nice.

Right, that's kind of what I was getting at. I had the exact same thought, and then when he almost got picked on the next series, I started to get a little concerned. As others have pointed out, there were two key differences from the Jets game: 1) Brady got back on track the next series and put the game away by halftime, and 2) the O line did a far better job protecting Brady than they did in the Jets / Ravens / Giants losses.

All of which reinforces the fact that if the line plays well against Baltimore, the Pats are going to win. If they struggle, the Pats will severely challenged.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:01 AM

It's revisionist history to hold up that interception as the turning point in the Jets loss. The Pats D held tough and kept the Jets from scoring after that play. It probably cost the Pats points, but it took the Pats making a bunch of other mistakes and the Jets making a bunch of plays to lose that game.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:05 AM

It's revisionist history to hold up that interception as the turning point in the Jets loss. The Pats D held tough and kept the Jets from scoring after that play. It probably cost the Pats points, but it took the Pats making a bunch of other mistakes and the Jets making a bunch of plays to lose that game.

I don't know if it was THE turning point. I suspect that game turned much more on the Jets' defense, game plan and pass rush than any one play or series.

But I do think that if the Pats had continued to roll down the field and put a TD on the board on the first drive, that it would have set the Jets back on their heels. As we know, they had been pounded 45-3 weeks before, and getting whacked that hard at the start would have had a good shot of messing with their collective confidence. At minimum, the Pats missed the chance to put early points on the board. So whether it was the pivotal moment in the game or not, it was pretty big.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:13 AM

I don't know if it was THE turning point. I suspect that game turned much more on the Jets' defense, game plan and pass rush than any one play or series.

But I do think that if the Pats had continued to roll down the field and put a TD on the board on the first drive, that it would have set the Jets back on their heels. As we know, they had been pounded 45-3 weeks before, and getting whacked that hard at the start would have had a good shot of messing with their collective confidence. At minimum, the Pats missed the chance to put early points on the board. So whether it was the pivotal moment in the game or not, it was pretty big.


Yes, but the Pats could still have had that early 7-0 lead if Crumpler could have caught a pass that most of us would have caught. Those 2 mistakes cost the Pats 7-11 points.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:18 AM

Yes, but the Pats could still have had that early 7-0 lead if Crumpler could have caught a pass that most of us would have caught. Those 2 mistakes cost the Pats 7-11 points.


Let's not exaggerate here.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:52 AM

Is it time to break out the "miserable cunts" accusation again?

Jesus F Christ, what the hell is wrong with you people? Brady tried to touch it in there and he airmailed it. Big whoop. He made up for it by throwing 5 TDs by halftime.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:53 AM

Is it time to break out the "miserable cunts" accusation again?

Jesus F Christ, what the hell is wrong with you people?

Did you read my opening post? I'm not complaining, not miserable, very hopeful for next weekend. I just got slightly concerned that he started to press once he made a mistake, because we saw it last year. That is all.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:56 AM

Started to press? He threw 5 TDs by halftime! For fucks sake. Two bad series and it's time to be concerned? Really? The other guys are on scholarship too, you know.

Last year is over. If you're still suffering from PTSD over the Jets game it's probably time to seek professional help. I'm virtually certain Chung will never call a moronic fake punt over the rest of his career.

Look, sorry to act like a dick here, but this is pretty silly. Only the Patriots could win a playoff game by 35 points in utterly dominating fashion and have a topic like this come up.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:57 AM

Started to press? He threw 5 TDs by halftime! For fucks sake. Two bad series and it's time to be concerned? Really? The other guys are on scholarship too, you know.

Last year is over. If you're still suffering from PTSD over the Jets game it's probably time to seek professional help. I'm virtually certain Chung will never call a moronic fake punt over the rest of his career.


Who are you and what happened to the old pessimistic SJH?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:58 AM

Writing (sporadically, sorry BH) for Football Nation this year has put a few things into perspective: namely, we are currently in the midst of a HISTORIC SUCCESS CYCLE. I'm determined to enjoy it.

Hey, my initial reaction when Brady threw the pick was to get pissed, no denying it. Sent the wife scurrying out of the room. But, fuck, man, 20 minutes later it was 35-7.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 12:27 PM

It's also worth noting that his interception and I believe the pass just over Welker were both with a strong wind at his back.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 12:34 PM

Immediately after Brady's interception, I mentioned to my father in law that I hoped Bill Belichick would react appropriately. He did.

Tom Brady or Tim Tebow, everyone gets a little rattled come playoff time. After throwing an interception, sometimes it's best to give a QB some time and get his thoughts refocused. Unfortunately, you can't tell a guy "hey Tom, take a seat this drive and get your head right, OK?" You really can only do one thing.

Run the football.

By running the football, you--at the very least--give the QB something else to focus on. Worst case scenario is that you go three and out, and Tom Brady gets to come back to the sideline and look over the defensive formations, where the windows will be in the same formation next drive, how to use that in a play action, where the soft spots would be, etc etc. You get to give him something else to focus on. Best case scenario is that he gets a few runs in, throws a few short balls to get his rhythm back, and then brushes off the INT and moves along the next drive or two. Yes, the onus falls on the QB to get his shit together, regardless of how a team approaches the offense after an interception. But this team was in a perfect situation to nurse Brady back into things. They were up 14-7, didn't need their foot on the gas peddle, and were going against a poor offense.

After Brady's interception, the team started it's next drive with a run and then went back to the no huddle (another way to get a QB focused on something besides his mechanics/the Int; he has to focus on so much out of the no huddle he barely has time to think about anything but what's right in his face). Two of the first three plays were runs. On the two drives immediately after the interception, the Patriots ran the ball 6 out of 13 plays (46%). Aside from those two drives, the Patriots only ran the ball on 8 of 25 (32%) other first half plays. On the 6 immediate first downs after the interception, the Patriots ran the ball on all 6 first downs (uh, 100%). Of the other 16 first downs in the first half, they only ran it 3 times (3 for 16, 18%).

With Tom Brady, there's not a lot of coddling that a coach needs to do. Still, every person occasionally needs to take a step back and slow down. Tom Brady is no different. Coaches notice a players composure just as much--if not more--then fans do. I doubt BB was sitting there thinking "Fuck, Brady's gonna be rattled. He's fucked. Better get him his fucking bottle." But I could see him thinking "We got a 14-7 lead and we got 3 quarters left to play. let's make sure Brady's back on track before we start humming the thing around the fucking field again." It's simple (albeit often overlooked) maintenance by a coaching staff, and I thought it was handled beautifully.

At least that's how I saw it anyway.

Edit--more numbers, better clarity, etc etc

Edited by Kenny F'ing Powers, 16 January 2012 - 12:45 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 12:36 PM

Great post, KFP.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 04:07 PM

Thanks for that point of view KFP. I think what I was probably reacting to was that the last time this type of thing happened to Brady (the Giants game earlier this year) it seemed like the coaching staff's way to get Brady's head back on straight after a pick was to have him throw it even more and all but abandon the run. I felt like the game against the Giants was a great example of him beginning to press and the coaching staff letting it get out of hand. After having seen that this year, coupled with the way the Pats lost to the Jets last year... I will admit I was a bit nervous for a few minutes there.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 04:49 PM

Is it time to break out the "miserable cunts" accusation again?

Jesus F Christ, what the hell is wrong with you people? Brady tried to touch it in there and he airmailed it. Big whoop. He made up for it by throwing 5 TDs by halftime.


Well said. What the fuck is wrong with you people. He threw six touchdowns for the game and probably could have thrown eight or nine if he had continued to put the gas to the floor.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:17 PM

Well said. What the fuck is wrong with you people. He threw six touchdowns for the game and probably could have thrown eight or nine if he had continued to put the gas to the floor.


It is stellar that Brady threw one pick in one of the most historic statistical playoff performance ever and that one pick is something that should be focused on and worried about and not the entirety of his night's performance.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 05:20 PM

Is it time to break out the "miserable cunts" accusation again?

Jesus F Christ, what the hell is wrong with you people? Brady tried to touch it in there and he airmailed it. Big whoop. He made up for it by throwing 5 TDs by halftime.

Can I just say that I'm loving the SJH transformation over the course of the year? I think I've undergone a similar, albeit more mild, transition from trepidation to defending this team against the slings and arrows of the irrational doubters.

The Patriots have the best team remaining in the tournament, and therefore the best chance to win the Super Bowl this year. Brady is the main reason for that, even if he's not perfect.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 02:18 AM

At some point in the ever more closely looming future the Patriots are going to not have Tom Brady as their QB. We'll have a guy that probably falls somewhere in between the skill level of Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez... and we'll long for the days when we could analyze with concern the 1 INT our QB thew in his 6TD record setting playoff performance.

Edited by BoredViewer, 17 January 2012 - 02:18 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 02:44 AM

At some point in the ever more closely looming future the Patriots are going to not have Tom Brady as their QB. We'll have a guy that probably falls somewhere in between the skill level of Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez... and we'll long for the days when we could analyze with concern the 1 INT our QB thew in his 6TD record setting playoff performance.


And when that day comes, I will cry.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 07:09 AM

Really.

When I saw the name of this thread, I thought it would be a well-deserved sploogefest; a chance for us Pats fans to stop and smell the roses, and thank our lucky stars to be watching a consensus top 10 QB, possibly a top fiver, a guy who is rewriting the post-season record books, at the height of his powers.

These truly are the good old days.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 07:30 AM

Writing (sporadically, sorry BH) for Football Nation this year has put a few things into perspective: namely, we are currently in the midst of a HISTORIC SUCCESS CYCLE. I'm determined to enjoy it.

Hey, my initial reaction when Brady threw the pick was to get pissed, no denying it. Sent the wife scurrying out of the room. But, fuck, man, 20 minutes later it was 35-7.


Hey SJH, how has your Football Nation writing experience been? I signed up to do that too and was ready to roll but my life got insane and I never got off the ground. Still something I would like to do at some point.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 07:31 AM

And when that day comes, I will cry.


Packer fans probably thought the same thing after Favre. 49er fans probably thought like this vis-a-vis Montana. Yet both turned out pretty good.

(if only the Pats would have the next Aaron Rodgers or Steve Young waiting in the wings.......Ryan Mallet, anyone?)

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:04 AM

Packer fans probably thought the same thing after Favre. 49er fans probably thought like this vis-a-vis Montana. Yet both turned out pretty good.

(if only the Pats would have the next Aaron Rodgers or Steve Young waiting in the wings.......Ryan Mallet, anyone?)


Is it too much to hope that his eventual replacement just finished his freshman year of college?


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:38 AM

At some point in the ever more closely looming future the Patriots are going to not have Tom Brady as their QB. We'll have a guy that probably falls somewhere in between the skill level of Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez... and we'll long for the days when we could analyze with concern the 1 INT our QB thew in his 6TD record setting playoff performance.

Really.

When I saw the name of this thread, I thought it would be a well-deserved sploogefest; a chance for us Pats fans to stop and smell the roses, and thank our lucky stars to be watching a consensus top 10 QB, possibly a top fiver, a guy who is rewriting the post-season record books, at the height of his powers.

These truly are the good old days.


This strikes me as disingenuous at best. If Brady had ended up looking shaky the rest of the way like he did vs. the Jets last year and the Pats had ended up losing, the amount of hand-wringing on this forum of "not getting it done in the playoffs" would've been off the charts. What is wrong with at least acknowledging that the thought crept into my mind and that I was glad he righted the ship so to speak quicker than he has in the past?

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:46 AM

Brady is the best QB in the league. Period.

As far as what will happen when he's gone, I'd have to think that if anything resembling this coaching staff remains then we'll be ok. They went 11-5 with Matt F'ing Cassell...

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:58 AM

This strikes me as disingenuous at best. If Brady had ended up looking shaky the rest of the way like he did vs. the Jets last year and the Pats had ended up losing, the amount of hand-wringing on this forum of "not getting it done in the playoffs" would've been off the charts. What is wrong with at least acknowledging that the thought crept into my mind and that I was glad he righted the ship so to speak quicker than he has in the past?

Nothing is wrong with it.

Everyone knows that Brady is an all time great and that these are indeed the good old days. Everyone knows that even the best QBs suffer some down moments and even some negative trends within games.

I think many Pats fans thought back to the Jets throw and wondered a bit when Brady threw that pick.

Acknowledging that about the interception and the series right after it isn't inconsistent with appreciating and understanding what we have in Brady.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:08 AM

The thread brings a story to mind.

Lifeguard, on a busy beach. Tide is a little rough, so mostly only the strong swimmers going in further than knee deep. He notices a little boy about 5 years old, way out where the water is rougher. He's having trouble, in danger. Lifeguard barrels into the water, battles through an undertow that turns out to be pretty vicious, gets to the kid just as he's sinking beneath the surface. The battle back to the shore with the kid is tough, even on such a strong swimmer, by the time he gets back to the beach he's beat to hell. Gets the kid on the sand and immediately starts CPR. Finally, after the full heroic rescue and CPR, the kid coughs and throws up a bunch of water and rolls over and starts crying, but he'll be ok. The kid's mom taps the lifeguard on the shoulder and says, "He had a hat."

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:09 AM

Hey SJH, how has your Football Nation writing experience been? I signed up to do that too and was ready to roll but my life got insane and I never got off the ground. Still something I would like to do at some point.


It's been great, no problems with it at all. I haven't written as much as I'd like because 1) having a toddler severly impacts my time to think, and 2) I try to only write when I think I have something interesting to say. But I've enjoyed it.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:12 AM

Nothing is wrong with it.

Everyone knows that Brady is an all time great and that these are indeed the good old days. Everyone knows that even the best QBs suffer some down moments and even some negative trends within games.

I think many Pats fans thought back to the Jets throw and wondered a bit when Brady threw that pick.

Acknowledging that about the interception and the series right after it isn't inconsistent with appreciating and understanding what we have in Brady.


Thank you... I feel like because the game went well, people are being chastised for thinking back to the Jets game last year or even the Giants game this year when maybe, just maybe, a little too much was put on Brady's shoulders. It doesn't mean he isn't an all time great, just that he's human.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 11:52 AM

Immediately after Brady's interception, I mentioned to my father in law that I hoped Bill Belichick would react appropriately. He did.

Tom Brady or Tim Tebow, everyone gets a little rattled come playoff time. After throwing an interception, sometimes it's best to give a QB some time and get his thoughts refocused. Unfortunately, you can't tell a guy "hey Tom, take a seat this drive and get your head right, OK?" You really can only do one thing.

Run the football.
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At least that's how I saw it anyway.



Great post....

Which brings up something I have always been curious about.

How much of that do you think was BOB (and MCD) as opposed to BB.

IOW how much interaction/control do some of you think the HC and OC/DC have.

It would seem like the OC would be focused on going back out and slinging the pigskin to score score score. While BB might well have the Big picture thought process you propose.

I am sure we will never know on that particular play or probably during the BB years with the Pats (until god willing he writes THE Book). But what about on teams you have played on and coached, or anecdotes you have heard?

Edited by bakahump, 17 January 2012 - 11:54 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:06 PM

I was a little disappointed with the hang time on his punt.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:10 PM

This strikes me as disingenuous at best. If Brady had ended up looking shaky the rest of the way like he did vs. the Jets last year and the Pats had ended up losing, the amount of hand-wringing on this forum of "not getting it done in the playoffs" would've been off the charts. What is wrong with at least acknowledging that the thought crept into my mind and that I was glad he righted the ship so to speak quicker than he has in the past?


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#48 Van Everyman

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:19 PM

The thread brings a story to mind.

Lifeguard, on a busy beach. Tide is a little rough, so mostly only the strong swimmers going in further than knee deep. He notices a little boy about 5 years old, way out where the water is rougher. He's having trouble, in danger. Lifeguard barrels into the water, battles through an undertow that turns out to be pretty vicious, gets to the kid just as he's sinking beneath the surface. The battle back to the shore with the kid is tough, even on such a strong swimmer, by the time he gets back to the beach he's beat to hell. Gets the kid on the sand and immediately starts CPR. Finally, after the full heroic rescue and CPR, the kid coughs and throws up a bunch of water and rolls over and starts crying, but he'll be ok. The kid's mom taps the lifeguard on the shoulder and says, "He had a hat."

This is awesome.

For my part, I just can't too upset about a single pick -- particularly if, as has been mentioned upthread, the "bad pass" on the subsequent drive with due to the receiver getting jammed at the LOS (or picked -- I haven't seen). There's plenty of real stuff to worry about in the Ravens game—Ngata and pressure up the middle, Ed Reed—to worry about Brady's composure.

Edited by Van Everyman, 17 January 2012 - 12:21 PM.


#49 Al Zarilla


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 02:52 PM

I was a little disappointed with the hang time on his punt.

Why do you need hang time when there is no Bronco back to receive the punt?
OK, I suppose if one of the Broncos DBs busted it back there. I also know, tongue in cheek.

This thread has beat the subject pretty much to death, but I've had a thought
brewing, so, why waste it? We're spoiled by this guy because he makes it look
so easy.
He's tall, so he can see over the defense better than most QBs and he
throws right over the top with full extension so he gets very few balls batted
down. No 3/4 sidearm crap a'la Favre, Eli, Romo, Alex Smith or a lot of other guys. The other best QB
at this is another, even taller guy named P. Manning. He has perfect form so we
can't imagine him missing on a pass. Brady's very, very accurate most of the
time. Hey, even a great control/command pitcher like Schilling grooved one once
in a while and got taken out. So, whenever Tom throws a bad one, which the other night may have
even been partially blown up by a gust of wind, and he's already throwing it
high to clear some defenders in the middle, and it gets intercepted, we go all
WTF TOM!1!11!!! He's also always acclaimed as the best at finding the open receiver.
Even when he has a bad stretch of 7 - 8 passes, say 2 - 8, we look at the end
of the game and see a completion percentage of 66% (76.5 Saturday night).

We could use a reaper to post warnings on Patriots game threads a' la on Sox boards, like someone said above.

Edited by Al Zarilla, 17 January 2012 - 02:53 PM.


#50 Reverend


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 04:13 PM

Why do you need hang time when there is no Bronco back to receive the punt?


His place in the league in punting is apparently comparable to his place in passing accuracy.




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