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[RedOctober3829]

The Yankees and Angels are discussing the possibility of a trade involving first baseman Mark Trumbo, according to a source.
Los Angeles signed Albert Pujols earlier this offseason, making Trumbo somewhat expendable.
It's possible that New York could move reliever David Robertson in a deal for the young slugger.

http://baseball.real.../#ixzz1jSDfI0n7

If they get Trumbo while also acquiring Pineda, it'd be a hell of a last 2 days for Cashman. You'd be getting Pineda, Trumbo, and Kuroda for Montero, Noesi, minor league prospects, and $10 million.

They aren't trading Robertson for Trumbo rather probably 2 good prospects.

Edited by RedOctober3829, 14 January 2012 - 12:26 PM.

[Rudy's Curve]

If the Yankees acquire a guy with a .291 OBP to DH, I'd be thrilled. If it was for Robertson, that would be amazing.

[jon abbey]

Trumbo is also controlled through 2016, since he was a rookie last year. I really hope they don't move Robertson, although I guess it's possible that Cashman thinks he is at peak value now and the bullpen is a bit crowded short-term. But Rivera and Soriano will both be gone in two more years, hopefully Robertson won't be.

[crow216]

The Yankees have too many starting pitchers, I'd rather they trade starting pitchers than Robertson and convert one of the starters.

[CaptainLaddie]

The Yankees have too many starting pitchers, I'd rather they trade starting pitchers than Robertson and convert one of the starters.

....too....many....starting....pitchers....

[jon abbey]

You can have too many starting pitchers, right now NY has seven at the MLB level and 4-5 more in the minors that may be ready sometime during 2012. They were in reasonable shape before getting Pineda and Kuroda, they certainly can dump one guy (Burnett ideally) now.

[melonbag]

Trumbo for Robertson would be a great deal for the Angels.

[E5 Yaz]

If I'm the Yankees, I don't trade Robertson. He's the only real Mariano insurance they have ... unless you want to say you trust Soriano

[nycdoc999]

If you're a Yankee fan would you rather deal Hughes or Robertson for Trumbo?

[Shaky]

If you're a Yankee fan would you rather deal Hughes or Robertson for Trumbo?

Hughes.

[E5 Yaz]

If you're a Yankee fan would you rather deal Hughes or Robertson for Trumbo?

Hughes, and it ain't even close

[jon abbey]

After the way that Ian Kennedy blossomed once out of the Bronx, I'd think teams would be lining up today to try to pry Hughes away from NY. He was clearly the one most impacted by yesterday's moves.

Edit: My answer is Hughes, but I'm not sure Trumbo is the way to go, I need to research that a bit more.

[nycdoc999]

After the way that Ian Kennedy blossomed once out of the Bronx, I'd think teams would be lining up today to try to pry Hughes away from NY. He was clearly the one most impacted by yesterday's moves.

Edit: My answer is Hughes, but I'm not sure Trumbo is the way to go, I need to research that a bit more.

Hughes is a SoCal kid and would probably thrive there - which would suck for the Yankees.


Again not to hijack, but if you're a kid thinking of signing to play MLB, do the recent events make you less likely to want to sign with the Yankees? Montero was celebrated by almost all Yankee fans - even those who didn't know about the minor league system - and after talking him up and almost trading him numerous times, they finally send him packing right as he's ready to step in to an every day role. I know it's a business etc - but if you're a 16 year old kid from Latin America, how do you see that and not think that's the Yankees' MO with regards to many of their younger players?

Edited by nycdoc999, 14 January 2012 - 01:55 PM.

[EvilEmpire]

I really don't want to see either DRob or Hughes go anywhere. I'd rather keep pitching, both starting and relieving as a strength and go short years in another direction for DH. Kuroda and Garcia, probably Burnett, and maybe Mariano won't be around after this season.

edit: spelling

Edited by EvilEmpire, 14 January 2012 - 04:37 PM.

[EvilEmpire]

Again not to hijack, but if you're a kid thinking of signing to play MLB, do the recent events make you less likely to want to sign with the Yankees? Montero was celebrated by almost all Yankee fans - even those who didn't know about the minor league system - and after talking him up and almost trading him numerous times, they finally send him packing right as he's ready to step in to an every day role. I know it's a business etc - but if you're a 16 year old kid from the Latin America, how do you see that and not think that's the Yankees' MO with regards to many of their younger players?

I don't think so. The Yankees have had plenty of homegrown players over the years. Besides, I think the first thing young players think about the Yankees is winning followed closely by $ and their willingness to spend it.


edit: grammar, typo, and general awkwardness

Edited by EvilEmpire, 14 January 2012 - 03:10 PM.

[Spacemans Bong]

Also, every kid that signs thinks he's going to be the next Cano, the homegrown guy who breaks through and sticks, rather than Montero or Austin Jackson.

[jon abbey]

Hughes is a SoCal kid and would probably thrive there - which would suck for the Yankees.


Again not to hijack, but if you're a kid thinking of signing to play MLB, do the recent events make you less likely to want to sign with the Yankees? Montero was celebrated by almost all Yankee fans - even those who didn't know about the minor league system - and after talking him up and almost trading him numerous times, they finally send him packing right as he's ready to step in to an every day role. I know it's a business etc - but if you're a 16 year old kid from Latin America, how do you see that and not think that's the Yankees' MO with regards to many of their younger players?

They traded two young IFA signings for two other young IFA signings. If you're a 16 year old hitter from Latin America who wants to play for the Yankees, you see that and think "I better learn to play a position, not just hit."

[StuckOnYouk]

What has Hughes proven at the major league level? That he had a very good thee months as a reliever? If they trade trunbo for Hughes it means there isn't a market for trunbo

[mt8thsw9th]

What has Hughes proven at the major league level? That he had a very good thee months as a reliever? If they trade trunbo for Hughes it means there isn't a market for trunbo

Did 2009 and 2010 not happen?

[mauidano]

Hughes, and it ain't even close

+1. Not even close.

[jon abbey]

The Angels definitely have a logjam they need to clear up somehow. I wonder if Bobby Abreu might make sense, assuming NY could get him for very little, just for picking up his $9M deal. His power fell off big last year, but his OBP is still there and he would make their lineup even more irritating for opposing pitchers, NY would then have 5 of the top 11 in P/PA in the AL in 2011 (!!).

[Phranchise]

The Yankees and Angels are the two best teams in the AL on paper right now. I don't see them making a trade with eachother.

[melonbag]

To say I'm not a Cashman fan would be an understatement, especially when pitchers are involved.. With that being said, I was impressed with the deal for Pineda.

Should he deal Robertson for Trumbo, I'll shake my head at his decision making again. At least I sang his praises for 1 day.

[greek_gawd_of_walks]

I'd much rather NY acquire Trumbo than look into getting someone like a Carlos Pena. Trumbo would be under team control for a while which makes him a somewhat attractive option, but I'm just not sold he'll ever get on-base enough to be worth being a DH despite the power he has.

Kendrys Morales, who's health history is well documented, is a power LH bat which would play well in NY if healthy. I don't know if DiPoto is actively shopping Morales or not; it's just speculation. His price may be less than Trumbo's.

If I'm Cashman, I wouldn't give up Robertson in a trade for Trumbo under any circumstances. Carlos Pena would be good fit, but I don't know how excited he'd be to DH most of the time.

Edited by greek_gawd_of_walks, 14 January 2012 - 07:25 PM.

[rembrat]

Reports are that the Brewers and the Indians are the front runners for Carlos Pena. It makes sense because they both need a 1B and chances are that Pena still wants to be a full time player.

Juan Miranda would have been a good in house option for them but he was traded away in 2010 and picked up by the Rays.

[StuckOnYouk]

Did 2009 and 2010 not happen?

2009 he was best as a reliever. As a starter he gave up 21 ER in 34 Innings.
2010 a lot of his success was in April if I recall and then his season took a sharp decline.

And last year he was just flat out bad.

He's trending down as he gets older.

Edited by StuckOnYouk, 15 January 2012 - 01:23 AM.

[Brickowski]

I wouldn't trade Hughes. Still too much potential, plus he's proven that he can be effective out of the pen. I wouldn't trade Robertson either. Are you kidding? The guy had an all star year. The only guy I would trade is Burnett (obviously). In fact, I'd give him away to any team willing to eat part of his salary.

IMHO the Yankees will rotate at DH to give some of their older stars (Jeter, ARod,Tex) some rest. Neither Trumbo nor Pena makes sense to me. What's the incremental value of either of those players compared to playing Nunez at short with Jeter as the DH?

Besides, aren't Vlady and Johnny Damon available as free agents? There's no need to give up pitching for a bat. If I were Cashman, I'd look to resign Chavez and let the DH position sort itself out later.

[jon abbey]

IMHO the Yankees will rotate at DH to give some of their older stars (Jeter, ARod,Tex) some rest. Neither Trumbo nor Pena makes sense to me. What's the incremental value of either of those players compared to playing Nunez at short with Jeter as the DH?

Besides, aren't Vlady and Johnny Damon available as free agents? There's no need to give up pitching for a bat. If I were Cashman, I'd look to resign Chavez and let the DH position sort itself out later.

Pena is a FA also, and Jeter as a DH against RHP (.666 OPS against RHP in 2011) is a terrible idea that only Girardi thinks is a good one. NY needs a DH against RHP still, Jones can handle it against lefties. If they don't sign someone else, they're going to be very thin and in trouble with the first injury or two to the regulars.

[Brickowski]

Yes, if they fail to sign anyone they'll be thin. On reflection I guess I'd go with Damon if they need another DH against RHP, assuming they can get him for reasonable money. How many first basemen do you need? If Teixiera goes down, Chavez can play first and so can Swisher.

[jon abbey]

They don't have Chavez as of now, and if Swisher has to play first, Andruw Jones is your only spare OF right now. They have two spots to fill still, and they need to get guys who can contribute.

FWIW Damon had mild reverse splits last year (as did Matsui), both hit lefties better than righties.

[Shaky]

Posada's splits against RH actually weren't too bad: .269/ .348/ .466/ .814

Wonder if he'd take a part-time gig at $1M/yr or something.

[MoGator71]

You can have too many starting pitchers, right now NY has seven at the MLB level and 4-5 more in the minors that may be ready sometime during 2012. They were in reasonable shape before getting Pineda and Kuroda, they certainly can dump one guy (Burnett ideally) now.

I wonder how interested Cashman is in making a crap-for-crap type deal with Burnett? Adam Dunn is the obvious name, but I'd think there's other possibilities out there.

[jon abbey]

Dunn isn't a genuine possibility, I don't think, because his deal goes through 2014 (the year they're trying to clear salary), and also CHI has five reasonable rotation options right now (Floyd/Danks/Peavy/Hunber/Sale).

Jason Bay is a possibility along those lines if he gives up his vesting clause for 2014 (RAM discussed this today), but what's more likely is that NY sends Burnett somewhere swallowing maybe $20M-$23M of the remaining $33M, and uses the money they've saved there on a DH.

[Wingack]

Dunn isn't a genuine possibility, I don't think, because his deal goes through 2014 (the year they're trying to clear salary), and also CHI has five reasonable rotation options right now (Floyd/Danks/Peavy/Hunber/Sale).

Jason Bay is a possibility along those lines if he gives up his vesting clause for 2014 (RAM discussed this today), but what's more likely is that NY sends Burnett somewhere swallowing maybe $20M-$23M of the remaining $33M, and uses the money they've saved there on a DH.

How about Carlos Lee and eating some of Burnett's money?

[jon abbey]

A RHH really doesn't make sense, almost no matter who it is, since they already have Jones and since the park favors LHH power so much. Lee's OPS against RHP last year was .715, I'd much rather have Branyan.

[MoGator71]

A RHH really doesn't make sense, almost no matter who it is, since they already have Jones and since the park favors LHH power so much. Lee's OPS against RHP last year was .715, I'd much rather have Branyan.

Yea, I was thinking LHH so I didn't really consider Lee (or Bay). If you thought Chone Figgins would bounce back if he got out of Safeco he might make a little sense...lets you get ARod off the field sometimes. It's risky though, because Burnett out of NY and into a pitcher's park would probably rebound better than Figgins would...

[jon abbey]

Locking this one, since this never had a chance of being genuine, and we have a general NY DH thread now.