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[ehaz]

I find this hilarious.

[pedros hairstylist]

Back when this kid was in high school, Shank tried to use every connection he had to get him into a top school via their baseball program even though he wasn't all that good. IIRC, Shank knew the BC coach and got him to take the kid as a "DH" which is as dubious it sounds.

Still, he's not as bad as Remy's kid.

[drleather2001]

[Yaz4Ever]

Bad things happen to the children of bad people. Especially when the kids turn out to be asshats themselves.

[bd11]

Man I just don't get how so many on this board get so much pleasure from other people's misfortune. I'm sure he is the first kid who has ever made a mistake. There is so much meanspirited behavior on this board, which far surpasses fair and measured criticism.

[Mystic Merlin]

Man I just don't get how so many on this board get so much pleasure from other people's misfortune. I'm sure he is the first kid who has ever made a mistake. There is so much meanspirited behavior on this board, which far surpasses fair and measured criticism.

Oh God, give it a rest.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

This has made Deadspin and Barstool Sports.

As for taking pleasure, you're damn right, not against Sam, but against his father. Fuck Dan Shaughnessy right in the earhole. Guy writes a book on his own kid to make money, so he made the kid well-known. He can take some of the public embarrassment when the kid fucks up. I'm sure Dan had nasty things to say about Bill Belichick's parenting skills when Stephen Belichick got busted for pot and it made the papers, so turnabout's fair play.

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Man I just don't get how so many on this board get so much pleasure from other people's misfortune. I'm sure he is the first kid who has ever made a mistake. There is so much meanspirited behavior on this board, which far surpasses fair and measured criticism.

Straighten out your skirt, missy. Your petticoat is showing.

He's not the first kid who's ever made a mistake, and certainly if his dad wasn't well-known no one cares about this story. But fame's a bitch, and his dad made the kid the focal point of a book in order to make a buck. So if there's anyone to blame for the kid's screwups becoming a story, it's Dan.

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Man I just don't get how so many on this board get so much pleasure from other people's misfortune. I'm sure he is the first kid who has ever made a mistake. There is so much meanspirited behavior on this board, which far surpasses fair and measured criticism.

[Vinho Tinto]

He has a chin, clearly from his mom.

[PedroKsBambino]

This has made Deadspin and Barstool Sports.

As for taking pleasure, you're damn right, not against Sam, but against his father. Fuck Dan Shaughnessy right in the earhole. Guy writes a book on his own kid to make money, so he made the kid well-known. He can take some of the public embarrassment when the kid fucks up. I'm sure Dan had nasty things to say about Bill Belichick's parenting skills when Stephen Belichick got busted for pot and it made the papers, so turnabout's fair play.

Absolutely. Dan Shaughnessy is a guy who has consistently in his career been willing to twist a story or screw someone over publically to get a laugh or a story. It is unfortunate his kid suffers for his father's asshatness, but I personally hope this makes Dan realize just how crappy he has lived his public existence.

[ForKeeps]

His son doesn't really look anything like him, are we sure Dan isn't shooting blanks, or maybe his wife had revenge sex with a Sox player a couple decades ago?

Edited by ForKeeps, 13 December 2011 - 10:00 PM.

[Jackson]

This has made Deadspin and Barstool Sports.

As for taking pleasure, you're damn right, not against Sam, but against his father. Fuck Dan Shaughnessy right in the earhole. Guy writes a book on his own kid to make money, so he made the kid well-known. He can take some of the public embarrassment when the kid fucks up. I'm sure Dan had nasty things to say about Bill Belichick's parenting skills when Stephen Belichick got busted for pot and it made the papers, so turnabout's fair play.

I sympathize with Shank as a parent, because anyone who believes this type of thing can never happen to them is a fool. But, Shank has made a career of moralizing about others' behavior, including parenting. It's difficult for me to not take at least a little satisfaction from this. I'm not proud of that, but CHB has pissed me off so many times with vicious attacks on people who often seemingly didn't deserve them.

Edited by Jackson, 13 December 2011 - 10:04 PM.

[PhilPlantier]

Man I just don't get how so many on this board get so much pleasure from other people's misfortune. I'm sure he is the first kid who has ever made a mistake. There is so much meanspirited behavior on this board, which far surpasses fair and measured criticism.

When alcohol makes you belligerent enough to fight police officers, it's no mistake. Hugging strangers, throwing up on your shoes, texting ex-girlfriends... these are things that a normal drunk person might do. If you pick fights and thumb your nose at authority when you're drunk, there's a pretty good chance that you're a certifiable douchebag even when you're sober.

[JimBoSox9]

His son doesn't really look anything like him, are we sure Dan isn't shooting blanks, or maybe his wife had revenge sex with a Sox player a couple decades ago?

Little-known fact that she pulled a Susan Dorn with Schiraldi back in the fall of '86.

[CaptainLaddie]

Man I just don't get how so many on this board get so much pleasure from other people's misfortune. I'm sure he is the first kid who has ever made a mistake. There is so much meanspirited behavior on this board, which far surpasses fair and measured criticism.

Fuck Shank.

Edited by CaptainLaddie, 14 December 2011 - 02:21 AM.

[ccsubruce]

Man I just don't get how so many on this board get so much pleasure from other people's misfortune. I'm sure he is the first kid who has ever made a mistake. There is so much meanspirited behavior on this board, which far surpasses fair and measured criticism.

Geezus, shove your tampon in farther, you're bleeding all over this thread.

I've met CHB, he's a certifiable douche who has it coming to him. He created a mythical curse that was thrown in the face of Red Sox fans for years, lives off writing hatchet job books, and is generally smarmy when in the company of the average Sox fan. Not enough bad things could happen to the guy. I hope his kid gets drunk and disorderly with CHB and knocks a couple of Shank's teeth out. That would be a spectacular epilogue to the book.

[travis bickled]

Nothing hilarious about this situation whatsoever...herd mentality attacking the kid because of his old man. Is the kid clean? NOT!...Including his father in the equation is bullshit

Edited by travis bickled, 14 December 2011 - 06:38 AM.

[AlNipper49]

It's fair talking about his poor parenting has directly led to his son becoming a complete failure.

It's a great thing to do in this day and age of absentee parenting. It's our moral responsibility to bring light to this horrible problem by highlighting the very same parental failures whose parenting had led to their children turning into bad people.

If Shaughnessy's bad parenting can help just one parent become a good parent, then we've turned this into a positive.

[DLew On Roids]

This kid sounds like a real piece of junk. Too bad he isn't developmentally disabled so we could really make fun of him.

[travis bickled]

It's fair talking about his poor parenting has directly led to his son becoming a complete failure.

It's a great thing to do in this day and age of absentee parenting. It's our moral responsibility to bring light to this horrible problem by highlighting the very same parental failures whose parenting had led to their children turning into bad people.

If Shaughnessy's bad parenting can help just one parent become a good parent, then we've turned this into a positive.

I agree with your view but the comments posted speak more of hatred and how widely despised Shaughnessy is than to realize how this kid may have been influenced by poor parenting.

Edited by travis bickled, 14 December 2011 - 09:15 AM.

[AlNipper49]

There is an element of Shakespearean justice for sure.

The kid is old enough to know better and to take done personal responsibility for his father's poor parenting.

Just because it's a good cause doesn't mean we can take pleasure out of bad things happening to bad people

[fairlee76]

This kid sounds like a real piece of junk. Too bad he isn't developmentally disabled so we could really make fun of him.

Beaten to the punch! It can't surprise anyone that the son of an entitled douche turned out to be an entitled douche.

[Yaz4Ever]

Beaten to the punch! It can't surprise anyone that the son of an entitled douche turned out to be an entitled douche.

+1

None of us would be revelling in the news that CHB's kid was stricken with cancer or seriously injured in an accident. This kid did a bad thing and because of the fact that he's the son of a total asshole, is being dealt with more harshly than some other citizen who broke a law(s).

I don't get the "you guys are mean-spirited" vibe from some over this.

[Mr Weebles]

None of us would be revelling in the news that CHB's kid was stricken with cancer or seriously injured in an accident.

Speak for yourself.

[InsideTheParker]

If we are going to hate Shaughnessy for "the Curse," it may enhance the hate to realize that the relation of the so-called curse to the sale of Babe Ruth may have been the invention of an amiable (but NYC) writer, George Vecsey: glenn stout. Vecsey refers to it in his farewell column in today's Times.

Two nights later when the Mets won the series Vecsey better articulated that premise. “All the ghosts and demons and curses of the past 68 years continued to haunt the Boston Red Sox last night . . .” he wrote. He then evoked Babe Ruth and 1918, writing “yet the owner sold him to the lowly New York Yankees to finance one of his Broadway shows, and for 68 years it has never been the same.” Now Vecsey added his own headline, “Babe Ruth Curse Strikes Again.”

There, for the first time, he articulated “curse” that blamed Boston’s failures on the sale of Ruth by Harry Frazee. Today Vecsey admits that, “I kind of thought I invented it [the Curse] but it never meant anything to me.” He does not recall precisely where he got the notion. “It was just a device,” he says. “I had no sense of creating something. We’re all magpies in this business. You’re always picking something out of somebody else’s nest whether you know it or not. It’s in your brain, but you easily could have gotten it from [sportswriters such as] Dick Young or Fred Lieb . . . call it collective wisdom, whatever you want.” However it happened, Vecsey inadvertently gave a villain to a franchise that needed one – Harry Frazee.

Until that moment, no one ascribed Boston’s failure to win a World Series since 1918 to anything resembling a curse connected to Babe Ruth and Harry Frazee.[Note: subsequent to publication I learned that San Francisco journalist John Carroll made note of a similar concept at about the same time, during the 1986 World Series. It appears that VEcsey’s notion, however, is where the fable first gained traction.] After each previous painful loss no one evoked the names of Ruth and Frazee. To be fair, local sportswriters occasionally floated the notion of a Red Sox-related curse, from Peter Gammons’ 1981 reference to “the Fenway Park curse of the Yankees” and Dan Shaughnessy’s 1986 mid-season mention of a “dueling curse” involving both California Boston, but the concept had no protagonist and little traction. Only Globe editorialist Marty Nolan previously intimated the Ruth sale caused the Red Sox serial failure. In 1983 he mentioned the “curse of gonfalis interupptus,” and in an October 6, 1986 story on Fenway Park, Nolan made the first (and erroneous) claim that Frazee sold Ruth to finance “No, No, Nanette,” adding, “Pinstripe paranoia has been a Boston curse ever since.” Now Nolan can’t recall where he came up with the “Nanette” connection but admits he may actually have been responsible for that bit of [mis]information. Yet at the same time these and other writers also referred to Boston “jinxes” and various other vexations, the term “choking” among the most popular. Calling it a “Curse” was just another way to phrase frustration.

Vecsey’s Ruth and Frazee-based curse took a while to gain a foothold, for over the next two years no one blamed Harry Frazee for anything. Although Boston Globe sportswriter and columnist Dan Shaughnessy later wrote the notion of the “curse” had been kicking around for “seven decades,” Vecsey was the first to put the words on the page – Shaughnessy himself did not mention it in his 1987 book, One Strike Away, and a database search of the Globe from November of 1986 until the summer of 1990 reveals that the words “Frazee” and “curse” appeared together once as an aside in a story by Peter Canellos.

As detailed in Shaughnessy’s The Curse of the Bambino, the impetus for his book came from Red Sox fan and Dorchester native Arthur Davidson. He mimicked Vecsey’s headline in a conversation with his niece, Meg Blackstone, mentioning a “curse of the Bambino.”

Blackstone, a publishing editor, smelled a book in the title. In August of 1988 she asked Shaughnessy to write it. He agreed.

[Tudor Fever]

If we are going to hate Shaughnessy for "the Curse,"

That's interesting, but most of us hate him for a lot more than that. Throughout his entire career, the versatility and ubiquity of his douchiness has been virtually limitless. Truly a five-tool douchebag.

[Red(s)HawksFan]

If we are going to hate Shaughnessy for "the Curse," it may enhance the hate to realize that the relation of the so-called curse to the sale of Babe Ruth may have been the invention of an amiable (but NYC) writer, George Vecsey: glenn stout. Vecsey refers to it in his farewell column in today's Times.

I don't hate Shaughnessy for "inventing" the idea of The Curse. I hate him for perpetuating it via his book. Vecsey may get credit for the first mention of a "curse" related to the sale of Babe Ruth, however were it not for Shaughnessy's book, I don't think the greater media would have latched on to it quite so forcefully. So without Shaughnessy, Joe Buck and company would never have had the concept to beat over our heads during every post-season game the Sox played prior to October 27, 2004.

[E5 Yaz]

This could be why he hates Schilling

[Resonance Wright]

I could care less about the Curse thing: shaping the narrative is what sports writers do. When they get to the point that they think they're more important and more interesting than the story, though, it's an issue, and that's probably the least of what's wrong with Dan Shaughnessy.

I'm not going to bother justifying smiling over the fact that his kid got arrested for being a special kind of shithead. There's reasons I can reach for but it'd be spurious to claim they fueled my reaction. The real reason I'm smiling is that karma is a bitch. It isn't terribly nice of me but there you go.

The list of things that would amuse me if they happened to CHB is actually pretty lengthy.

[Lose Remerswaal]

The "Vecsey had the curse idea" first discussion is not new