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[TheYellowDart5]

Multiple sources saying it's a four-year, $58 million deal, which, if true: Holy hell, is that a lot of money for Mark Buehrle.

[rembrat]

He is going to put up great numbers in the NL. Plus, I heard Miami's new park is extremely pitcher friendly.

[Fishercat]

Mark Buehrle at an AAV of 14.5 million for four years? Cripes, what a coup for him

[Brianish]

For a team that's dealing with hypothetical money, the Marlins sure seem eager to tie themselves to big contracts. Here's hoping it works out for them.

[Frank, Fenway]

I think I'm rooting Marlins next year

[radsoxfan]

Mark Buehrle at an AAV of 14.5 million for four years? Cripes, what a coup for him

It's sad that I can't even start to objectively look at a pitching contract now without thinking 5/82.5 for John Lackey. They all look pretty reasonable in that context....

[Snodgrass'Muff]

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about him in the NL. He'll hold up fine. This is actually a pretty good deal for the Marlins. If they snag Wilson and Pujols they're going to be a frakkin monster next year. I have no idea what Loria's long term plan is, but if he's finally willing to spend money because of the new stadium and is willing to keep his payroll up, that team is going to alter the entire balance of the NL for a long time. I really hope this is a paradigm shift. I'm not sure why people keep referencing the 1997 team and the fire sale that followed their title, though. Loria didn't own the team then. He has just been consistently cheap with the team up to this point.

[Savin Hillbilly]

Multiple sources saying it's a four-year, $58 million deal, which, if true: Holy hell, is that a lot of money for Mark Buehrle.

I dunno. $14.5M a year seems about right. According to Fangraphs he has exceeded that value in eight of his past nine years, even though his style is tailor-made to be underrated by FIP. He is coming off 11 straight years of 30 or more starts and 200 or more innings. Calling him consistent is like calling Niagara Falls wet. No long-term contract for a pitcher is a safe bet, but this is probably about as close as you could get.

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Multiple sources saying it's a four-year, $58 million deal, which, if true: Holy hell, is that a lot of money for Mark Buehrle.

I see it as a decent signing for them. They have money. Let them spend it. Frankly I'm jealous. I'd take him here for 14.5 mil per yr.

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

For a team that's dealing with hypothetical money, the Marlins sure seem eager to tie themselves to big contracts. Here's hoping it works out for them.

Odds for 2012 WS had been around 30:1 in late Oct., early Nov.

Not that I'm a betting man, but odds are odds.....

[zapo]

The Marlins and Buehrle have agreed - does this mean they are out on Pujols, and he is St. Louis bound?

Jason Stark:

One source said the Marlins have told both pitchers, as well as Pujols' camp, that if the team is able to reach a deal Wednesday with one of their pitching targets, that would effectively end their pursuit of Pujols.

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

The Marlins and Buehrle have agreed - does this mean they are out on Pujols, and he is St. Louis bound?

Jason Stark:

That seems like an almost 8-digit overpay for Buehrle, so probably so.

[Jed Zeppelin]

Wouldn't they wait for the MVP-caliber, franchise-altering player's decision before taking themselves out of the running by signing "just" a good starter?

[Danny_Darwin]

Wouldn't they wait for the MVP-caliber, franchise-altering player's decision before taking themselves out of the running by signing "just" a good starter?

I'm guessing you've got the order backwards, and Pujols already told them he has no intention of signing in Miami.

[SemperFidelisSox]

$58 million could have kept half the '03 World Series team together.

[Jed Zeppelin]

I'm guessing you've got the order backwards, and Pujols already told them he has no intention of signing in Miami.

If that's the case, then absolutely. Just have to wait for the breaking news on Pujols.

They're looking at a good rotation of Johnson, Buehrle, Sanchez, Nolasco, #5(Leblanc, Volstad and so on) that will depend quite a bit on Johnson's shoulder being healthy. If they take the Pujols money and add Wilson too, suddenly it becomes really good.

[JakeRae]

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about him in the NL. He'll hold up fine. This is actually a pretty good deal for the Marlins. If they snag Wilson and Pujols they're going to be a frakkin monster next year. I have no idea what Loria's long term plan is, but if he's finally willing to spend money because of the new stadium and is willing to keep his payroll up, that team is going to alter the entire balance of the NL for a long time. I really hope this is a paradigm shift. I'm not sure why people keep referencing the 1997 team and the fire sale that followed their title, though. Loria didn't own the team then. He has just been consistently cheap with the team up to this point.

Loria's plan is:

Get a publicly funded ballpark. Check.

Spend a bunch of money when opening that new ballpark to field a competitive team. Check.

Combine A and B to create a wave of increased fan interest. TBD.

Sell high and get the hell out before people realize that Florida fans have no staying power.

That said, Loria loosening the purse strings is good for baseball. I like this contract for the Marlins. It's a fairly reasonable price for a quality starting pitcher who has been both durable and consistent.

[Brianish]

Wouldn't they wait for the MVP-caliber, franchise-altering player's decision before taking themselves out of the running by signing "just" a good starter?

Unless they're willing to sign him in addition.

[Wingack]

According to Heyman the Marlins have offered 6 years to CJ Wilson and are still in on Pujols.

[EvilEmpire]

The Marlins are moving pretty quick with these signings. If Pujols is waffling on St Louis at all, they sure are making it hard for him to walk away. Marlins look to be an exciting team next season.

[Tyrone Biggums]

I wonder where Buehrle will be playing in 2 years?

[Danny_Darwin]

Crasnick:

Agent Dan Lozano has called the #Marlins and told them they are out on Pujols, says source

[P'tucket, rhymes with...]

Mark Buehrle at an AAV of 14.5 million for four years? Cripes, what a coup for him

He's coming off four solid seasons of 200+ innings at 14 million per. He's the baseball equivalent of a Swiss watch. Given we live in a world where GMs insist on backing up the trucks for guys like Gil Meche and (sorry) Jon Lackey, I'm actually a little surprised no one went really overboard for him.

[MakMan44]

He's coming off four solid seasons of 200+ innings at 14 million per. He's the baseball equivalent of a Swiss watch. Given we live in a world where GMs insist on backing up the trucks for guys like Gil Meche and (sorry) Jon Lackey, I'm actually a little surprised no one went really overboard for him.

I'm more shocked it was the Marlins who signed him for that price. If that's what he went for, why couldn't the Chi Sox reel him back in? Or was it the years maybe??

Edited by MakMan44, 07 December 2011 - 07:48 PM.

[snowmanny]

They are signing everyone in sight and have a metropolitan area larger than Boston. And they are one of the teams awarded a hardship draft pick to make up for their competetive disadvantage. I hope Bud Selig knows he's been played.

[radsoxfan]

Loria's plan is:

Get a publicly funded ballpark. Check.

Spend a bunch of money when opening that new ballpark to field a competitive team. Check.

Combine A and B to create a wave of increased fan interest. TBD.

Sell high and get the hell out before people realize that Florida fans have no staying power.

That said, Loria loosening the purse strings is good for baseball. I like this contract for the Marlins. It's a fairly reasonable price for a quality starting pitcher who has been both durable and consistent.

The breakdown of the Reyes contract really makes this scenario sound plausible. Years salaries, starting in 2011, are $10 mil, $10 mil, $16 mil, $22 mil, $22 mil, $22 mil. $22 mil option on '18 with $4 mil buyout.


Sure seems like Loria is willing to be on the hook for 2-3 years, and then hopes to sell high with a successful team and a new stadium. He'll let the new owners deal with the backloaded contract (or find the next Tony Reagins and trade Reyes' backloaded contract for a power hitting catcher....)

Edited by radsoxfan, 07 December 2011 - 09:09 PM.

[twibnotes]

They are signing everyone in sight and have a metropolitan area larger than Boston. And they are one of the teams awarded a hardship draft pick to make up for their competetive disadvantage. I hope Bud Selig knows he's been played.

The Miami area taxpayers got played a lot worse than Bud

[Guero]

They won't sign Pujols, since they only sign guys willing to sign without security of NTC.

They are signing a lot right now predicting they will fill their stadium, which is a risky move. I wonder what will happen if Miami still remains a poor market, and money doesn't come in added to if they don't win. They will have to try and move these guys and hope they can clear their books, or be a financial bust?

Kinda like running up a credit card debt, hoping you get a raise to cover it.

Edited by Guero, 07 December 2011 - 10:58 PM.

[MikeM]

He's coming off four solid seasons of 200+ innings at 14 million per. He's the baseball equivalent of a Swiss watch. Given we live in a world where GMs insist on backing up the trucks for guys like Gil Meche and (sorry) Jon Lackey, I'm actually a little surprised no one went really overboard for him.

All things considered, and factoring in the realities that extend beyond the realm of the hypothetical options/values, i don't think Miami did all that bad here.

If we were in a better position, and could actually afford it, that would of been a good fit here atm/imo.